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Posted: 6/15/2003 4:09:49 PM EDT
About three weeks ago I woke up and couldn't move my hand. If I would go to pick something up I cannot lift my hand up, I have no other problems. At first I thought it was asleep after about six hours I started to get worried. I go to the Doc he says its just asleep don't worry. Well, its been three weeks now and NO improvement what so ever, I'm kinda getting a little freaked out by now as you can probably imagine. I'm going back to see another doctor wendsday. Has anyone ever heard of this before? I mean its been a long time now.
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 4:17:58 PM EDT
Blood's still flowing, right? Does your hand still have feeling, or is it numb?
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 4:20:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/15/2003 4:22:45 PM EDT by tc6969]
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 4:22:39 PM EDT
sorry, we're gonna have to amputate [chainsawkill]
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 4:22:57 PM EDT
my mom had that problem, hand wouldnt obey commands from brain. Go get an MRI yesterday. She had 3 tumors on the brain.
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 4:23:19 PM EDT
Do you lift weights? When your bicep gets bigger sometimes it pinches this nerve when you hold it a certain way. I used to wake up with my arm numb like this. 3 weeks is a long ass time though you might want to see a nerve specialist (I forget what they are called)
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 4:38:18 PM EDT
Once in great while I'll sleep in a position where I must be laying on my arm all night and I'll wake up with absolutely no use of my whole arm like it was paralyzed and I would to take my other hand and shake my limp arm to get the blood circulation flowing again. Scary feeling and it really burns alot as the blood circulates back into my arm. However, when you have no use of your hand for a long period of time as as frequent as it happens to you, then I'd guess it was a problem in your nerve or muscular system. DEFINITELY GET A SECOND OPINION FROM ANOTHER DOCTOR. [b]ArmaLiter[/b]
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 4:42:07 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 4:42:17 PM EDT
No problem with circulation or numbness. I think there neurologist, Mocho. I think you might be on the right track and I do have carpal tunnel though and fell about a story from a house about 2 years ago. But the pinched nerve might be a little more on I've was laying ceramic tile and packing 4X8 sheets of concrete board to lay the tile on. I'm still having trouble with it but the doctors cannot find anything wrong. I have an appointment in another month to see one.Thats the closest appointment time.That was one of the first things I tried. If this is a pinched nerve how long will it take to heal?
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 4:42:25 PM EDT
There are three main nerves that supply the hand. The radial nerve supplies the muscles that extend the wrist and fingers. The median nerve flexes the wrist and fingers (thumb/index/middle) and the ulnar nerve flexes the ring and little finger and also helps to flex the wrist. So what problem are you having? The most common nerve injured "overnight" is the radial nerve since it runs along the humerus (upper arm bone) and can easily get pinched against the bone. The most common scenario is someone drinks/does drugs and falls asleep on the arm and doesn't move for several hours. The nerve gets pinched, dies and has to regrow. This can take weeks or even months. Other things can cause what you describe. Trust your doctor.
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 4:47:01 PM EDT
I had a friend that injured an nerve in his leg and couldn't walk when he got hit by a drunk driver. He had to do some kind of nerve therapy or something with those electro muscle stimulator things. He also worked with a therapist for about 6 weeks I think but he's walking today. Hope you are ok bro.
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 4:53:51 PM EDT
As a once designated medic, this sounds very similar to what is known as "saturday night palsy". The name comes from when people would pass out drunk (on saturd nights) while sitting in a chair and their arm draped over the chair back. Normally the pressure into the armpit and lack of blood flow would cause a sober person to move even when awake, but due to the druken anaesthetized state it does not happen. The result is nerve damage that can last for months.
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 4:59:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Red_Beard: sorry, we're gonna have to amputate [chainsawkill]
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lol
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 5:01:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/15/2003 5:04:50 PM EDT by Ridge_runner]
Originally Posted By C-4: There are three main nerves that supply the hand. The radial nerve supplies the muscles that extend the wrist and fingers. The median nerve flexes the wrist and fingers (thumb/index/middle) and the ulnar nerve flexes the ring and little finger and also helps to flex the wrist. So what problem are you having? The most common nerve injured "overnight" is the radial nerve since it runs along the humerus (upper arm bone) and can easily get pinched against the bone. The most common scenario is someone drinks/does drugs and falls asleep on the arm and doesn't move for several hours. The nerve gets pinched, dies and has to regrow. This can take weeks or even months. Other things can cause what you describe. Trust your doctor. So what problem are you having?
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O.K. If I were to exstend my arms straight out from my shoulders I cannot lift my hand upwards to show my palms I cant even support my hand, if my hand is opend during all of this I would be pointing at the floor.BTW I don't drink.
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 5:02:27 PM EDT
Sounds like "Carpal Tunnel Syndrome". I've got it and it's not pleasant.
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 5:25:38 PM EDT
C4 gave a nice nerve description and let me see if I can expand upon his information based on your last statement. If i understand you correctly, if you stick your arms straight out with palms down, you cannot turn your palms up. If that is correct, then the primary muscle responsible for this motion is the pronator teres which is innervated by the median nerve. This would rule out a problem at the carpal tunnel. Also, "Saturday Night Palsy" does not only occur in alcoholics on park benches. C4 and Imbroglio were just telling you that is the common scenario but as they mentioned it can be from other things. Think if it is possible that you may have had yourself in a position where pressure would be on your armpit for an extended period of time. Do you ever sleep on your side with your arm tucked under you, do you ever put weight in your armpits for extended periods of time, etc. This kind of information will really help out your doc. Your best bet as far as who to see will be a neurologist or an orthopod. They are the guys who will deal with this the most. I can't really say what your course of recovery and treatment would be without putting my hands on you. And if I did give you an exam, I would amputate. Not because you need it, but because I like shiny power tools and blood. [chainsaw]
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 5:39:01 PM EDT
If I were to hold my arm out I cannot make the stop gesture like a traffic cop. Also I sleep on my back with both my hands on top of my head. The soonest I can get in to see a neurologist is another month away. I've done made the appointment.
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 5:44:54 PM EDT
It's something in the cervical vertabrae of your neck. Possibly a slipped or herniated disc. Any tingling in your finger tips?
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 5:52:15 PM EDT
In the days leading up to the first on-set, did you expose your arm to any intense trauma? I once puncture the palm of my hand, the point striking one of the bones under my pointer finger. Doc said everything was ok, no nerve damage, no stitches needed, etc. About a week later I noticed that my finger tips were losing their strength, within 24 hours of noticing it, I had symptoms similar to you. It got to the point that I couldn't pick up a pen from the desk. I went to see an orthopedic surgeon and a neurologist and they both said the same thing: Deep tissue damage had caused inner bruising and swelling which put pressure on the nerves, inhibiting normal usage. It was very freaky, especially considering that I use my hands to earn my living. After a couple weeks, everything went back to normal. A few years later when I dropped the bike and put a world of hurt on my hand, I experienced similar problems. I wasn't as worried about it and everything is fine now. See the doc, think good thoughts and the best to you.
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 5:52:33 PM EDT
Nope.
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 5:56:31 PM EDT
I second the tought of perhaps it is a disc on your neck that is herniated??? I herniated the disc in my lumbar L4 and had to get surgery last fall. It still acts up but not like it did. When your foot or limb goes "to sleep" it is the nerve, not the blood flow. My foot would get really hot and I would get a stabbing pain in my quad and in my calf even though the nerve was pinched at my spine. Just a thought...
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 5:59:12 PM EDT
OK, making the stop gesture is all the wrist extensors = radial nerve, not carpal tunnel related. The radial nerve also gets your triceps. Bend your elbow of the affected arm so your hand is up by your shoulder (like you would put your elbows down on a desk to rest your face in hands). Take the hand of your good arm and put it against the front of your bad forearm. Apply pressure with good arm and see if you can push against the pressure with bad arm. This may be hard to do to yourself, but may help explain location of lesion. The radial nerve is mostly damaged from fractures of the humerus mid-shaft.
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 6:14:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bigjuice: OK, making the stop gesture is all the wrist extensors = radial nerve, not carpal tunnel related. The radial nerve also gets your triceps. Bend your elbow of the affected arm so your hand is up by your shoulder (like you would put your elbows down on a desk to rest your face in hands). Take the hand of your good arm and put it against the front of your bad forearm. Apply pressure with good arm and see if you can push against the pressure with bad arm. This may be hard to do to yourself, but may help explain location of lesion. The radial nerve is mostly damaged from fractures of the humerus mid-shaft.
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What am I supposed to feal when I do this?
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 6:15:54 PM EDT
Ridge Runner. It sounds like you may have a cervical disc herniation at C5-C6 with compression on C6 nerve root. If you can't extend you wrist against gravity this is a serious problem you should not wait another month to get looked at. If you do have nerve root compression, the lnger it is compressed the longer the healing time. Not to mention the other possible nastier things that could cause this problem. Don't wait another month, find someone else. Where do you live in KY? I live in IL about an hour from Paducah. If you don't have a problem seeing a chiropractor, I could look at you at your earliest conveinence and get you an MRI the same day. I also know some neurosuregons in the Cape Girardeau and St. Louis Missouri area that I could probaly get you into sooner than a month if needed. Let me know. But regardless do not wait another month. Good luck.
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 6:18:01 PM EDT
Test for strength. An easier way (sorry for the long explanation) would be to do a push-up but I don't suggest it since you don;t know what is going on. If your triceps is weak, then the injury probably is higher up in the neck. If your triceps is okay, then it may be in your arm (but could still be neck). Regardless, waiting 3 weeks to see a neurologist is BS big-time. I wouldn't take that crap off nobody.
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 6:22:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By dc899: Ridge Runner. It sounds like you may have a cervical disc herniation at C5-C6 with compression on C6 nerve root. If you can't extend you wrist against gravity this is a serious problem you should not wait another month to get looked at. If you do have nerve root compression, the lnger it is compressed the longer the healing time. Not to mention the other possible nastier things that could cause this problem. Don't wait another month, find someone else. Where do you live in KY? I live in IL about an hour from Paducah. If you don't have a problem seeing a chiropractor, I could look at you at your earliest conveinence and get you an MRI the same day. I also know some neurosuregons in the Cape Girardeau and St. Louis Missouri area that I could probaly get you into sooner than a month if needed. Let me know. But regardless do not wait another month. Good luck.
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Thanks for the offer, that is most generous of you. But I don't have insurance. I'm off work on Wednesdays so I think I will go see another Dr. then. I gotta go check back tomorrow eve.
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 6:27:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bigjuice: Test for strength. An easier way (sorry for the long explanation) would be to do a push-up but I don't suggest it since you don;t know what is going on. If your triceps is weak, then the injury probably is higher up in the neck. If your triceps is okay, then it may be in your arm (but could still be neck). Regardless, waiting 3 weeks to see a neurologist is BS big-time. I wouldn't take that crap off nobody.
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Could do a push up as long as most of the weight was supported my arm not my hand. You put up with a lot of Dr.'s not really caring if you don't have insurance
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 6:28:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ridge_runner: Also I sleep on my back with both my hands on top of my head.
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TRY TO STOP DOING THIS. It places undue stress on a lot of the nervous and muscular structures in your arms. I sometimes do it but am having success in making myself stop. I learned how bad it could be for me after waking up one morning with a sore right shoulder and some limitation in my ability to move my right shoulder back and up without pain. It took a FULL YEAR for the problem to completely go away. Sleeping on your back is the least stressful position to sleep in, generally speaking, but keep your arms down! Park your hands over your stomach, chest, or crotch (which may lead to other activities, but what the heck...when you're done, you'll sleep like a baby!), or even spread your arms out to your sides, but don't put them over your head. At worst, it can precipitate bone injuries, particularly to the rotator cuff. CJ
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 6:40:53 PM EDT
Numbness + burning sensation = nerve problem for sure. My wife had CTS in both hands--very painful for her to move, but not like what you describe. The thing about medical problems is that the longer you wait, the worse it gets, and the more it costs in the long run. If it were me, I'd see a chiropractor, and if I didn't see some immediate improvement, a neurologist.
Link Posted: 6/15/2003 7:34:43 PM EDT
Sounds just like what happened to my girlfriend a few years ago. She woke up and couldn't move her hand at all. It turned out to be a pinched nerve in her elbow. What sucked is it took over 6 months to get full movement back. There wasn't any surgery, the doctor just said try to move it as much as you can, and eventualy it came back... BISHOP
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