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Posted: 6/12/2003 1:00:45 PM EDT
So, I just finished reading Lost World by Michael Crichton. I really liked it, MUCH more satisfying than the movie, and a lot different. I was thinking, what would be the best rifle to drop a Velociraptor if you were being charged or surrounded [;)]. Remember, they're quick, agile, and very aggressive. We'll base this off the book/movie Velociraptors, because real-life ones are about half as big. Any thoughts? Fly Navy
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 1:17:18 PM EDT
In Jurassic Park, didnt that hunter guy have a SPAS-12?
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 1:19:25 PM EDT
.17 HMR
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 1:22:11 PM EDT
As fast as they are, if you was being charged (or were surrounded) by a group, there's not much you could do. But, my choices would be 12 ga. shotgun, 3 inch magnum, loaded with 00 buck, for close in work, rifle wise something in 30 caliber, (.308, 30.06) prefer mag fed. as a well as a large caliber handgun, (.44/.45). The best you could hope for was to get high and have your back and sides shielded so that they could only come from one direction, as they were pack hunters and while you were taking down the ones to your front, its the ones to the sides and rear that would get you. It would be different to hunt something that hunts you. On a side note what kind of rifle to take down a T-Rex, and where to shoot it?
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Link Posted: 6/12/2003 1:22:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MadProfessor: In Jurassic Park, didnt that hunter guy have a SPAS-12?
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I believe you are correct. Muldoon I think was his name. I bet a 12 gauge slug would ruin a 'raptor's day.
Originally Posted By thedave1164: .17 HMR
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[LOLabove]
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 1:27:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DSVET91: On a side note what kind of rifle to take down a T-Rex, and where to shoot it?
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I was thinking about that. Since it's SO large, you have a good chance of hitting the heart, BUT you'd have to penetrate the hide/bones AND the heart is most likely huge, so it may not affect it right away. A head shot would be iffy I think, considering the brain is speculated to be very small, and it's such a large head. I'm thinking 40mm grenades or 20mm cannon [naughty] Fly Navy
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 1:30:18 PM EDT
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They are a large bird. Hollow bones and all. So .223 would probably work well. I wanted to see US Marines vs Velociraptors. I am disappointed that they never wrote such a story. Have a MEU/SOC have to come in and clean up the island. For a T rex .50 cal would do the job. So would a LOT of 7.62 fire from MGs, that is how pochers take elephants. Probaby a 40mm HEDP direct hit wouldn't do it any good either.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 1:30:56 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 1:31:56 PM EDT
On a side note what kind of rifle to take down a T-Rex, and where to shoot it?
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a SMAW-D...... yeah defenitely a SMAW-D round in the chest --RR
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 1:38:03 PM EDT
From: [url]http://www.mathematical.com/dinovelociraptor.html[/url]
Velociraptor was closely related to the North American Deinonychus. Not massive like Tyrannosaurus or Tarbosaurus, this smaller dinosaur was a fierce predator, being quick and agile, as is portrayed in the movie 'Jurassic Park'. Unfortunately, the producers of 'Jurassic Park' felt compelled to make the movie Velociraptor 400% larger than the fossil record would indicate. This perhaps sold 400% more videos. Velociraptor was probably the size of a Great Dane. For its size, proportionally its brain was the largest of any dinosaur.
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[url]http://www.childrensmuseum.org/kinetosaur/dinovelo.html[/url] - Velociraptor (1.8 m/length) Just FYI. It's not the right size in the movie.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 1:38:51 PM EDT
Why don't you ask someone who plays some Dungeons and Dragons type game? They would have the most experience using a pretend weapon against a pretend monster.
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I graduated from WPI. Trust me, I know the type. They wouldn't know JACK about what a real weapon does to a real living thing. It's a fun question, don't be such a sourpuss.
a SMAW-D...... yeah defenitely a SMAW-D round in the chest
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NOW we're talking! Fly Navy
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 1:40:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BennyFranklin: ...Velociraptor was closely related to the North American Deinonychus...
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Yeah, I remember reading this a couple nights ago. If I remember the Deinonychus was actually near the size of what the movie portrayed Velociraptors to be. I think it means "terrible claw". Fly Navy
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 1:41:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DSVET91: On a side note what kind of rifle to take down a T-Rex, and where to shoot it?
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a .577 Tyrannasaur, duh [:E]
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 1:46:30 PM EDT
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a SMAW-D...... yeah defenitely a SMAW-D round in the chest
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NOW we're talking!
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Of course I'm biased.... I'm employed by Talley... we make them... he-he [rocket]
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 1:54:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BennyFranklin: From: [url]http://www.mathematical.com/dinovelociraptor.html[/url]
Velociraptor was closely related to the North American Deinonychus. Not massive like Tyrannosaurus or Tarbosaurus, this smaller dinosaur was a fierce predator, being quick and agile, as is portrayed in the movie 'Jurassic Park'. Unfortunately, the producers of 'Jurassic Park' felt compelled to make the movie Velociraptor 400% larger than the fossil record would indicate. This perhaps sold 400% more videos. Velociraptor was probably the size of a Great Dane. For its size, proportionally its brain was the largest of any dinosaur.
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[url]http://www.childrensmuseum.org/kinetosaur/dinovelo.html[/url] - Velociraptor (1.8 m/length) Just FYI. It's not the right size in the movie.
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Even at Great Dane size they'd be scary. Maybe if they were solitary it wouldn't be that big of a deal, but pack predators that aggressive & fast?... Any full size battle rifle cartridge should work....308, .30-06, 8x57, 7.62x54R etc. Must be semi-auto (or full) the damned things move way too fast & in groups to handicap yourself with a boltaction. I'd say BAR...20 rnds of full auto .30-06 & heavy/tough enuff to use as a club. Too bad there's no bayonet mount for it.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 2:00:17 PM EDT
The species [i]Velociraptor[/i] is only dog size. But the order of Velociraptors, as a group of related species built the same way, includes species as big as in the movie. (and actually the ones in the movie would have been more dangerous if they had been a little smaller, they would have fit in more of the places people could go.) However most of these speicies were found AFTER the original Jurassic Park movie was made.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 2:04:02 PM EDT
It seemed pretty obvious to me. Just like I screamed during Signs, "Where's the shotgun???" I screamed during Jurassic and Lost World, "Where's the fire???" Animals, even mean nasty ones, fear fire.
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Link Posted: 6/12/2003 2:18:15 PM EDT
I bet even at the size of a greyhound, that nasty claw they have would still be able to eviscerate you. If not, then definitely cause you some major problems. A few of them attacking you at once, at that "small" size? Yeah it's all over. Fly Navy
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 2:25:34 PM EDT
Man. I posted a thread something like this about 2 years ago and got thoroughly flamed. I'd get me a S&W fifty cal wheelgun to be fair. I'd also file the sight off.[;)]
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 2:32:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Fly-Navy: I bet even at the size of a greyhound, that nasty claw they have would still be able to eviscerate you. If not, then definitely cause you some major problems. A few of them attacking you at once, at that "small" size? Yeah it's all over. Fly Navy
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Think Zerg. Starcraft players will understand.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 2:37:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl: Think Zerg. Starcraft players will understand.
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Everytime I played Starcraft, the Zerg always seemed a rip-off of the Xenomorphs from the Alien movies. Fun game though. Fly Navy
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 2:41:42 PM EDT
The raptors in the movie were actually Utahraptors. Much bigger and their skull structure is different than that of a velociraptor.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 2:46:51 PM EDT
I would use a +5 Sword of Might and Adamanite Tower shield while wearing Elfin Chainmail and Helm of Invisibility.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 3:40:33 PM EDT
StreetSweeper
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 3:46:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:
Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl: Think Zerg. Starcraft players will understand.
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Everytime I played Starcraft, the Zerg always seemed a rip-off of the Xenomorphs from the Alien movies. Fun game though. Fly Navy
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Well they were, I was refering to the way they attacked and their size. The cinimatic sequence at the begining where the human farmer runs into one-literally-with his vheicle then gets eaten when he gets out to check on it. The Xenomorphs were bigger and preferred to use their double mouths rather than kicking you to death.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 3:54:50 PM EDT
Do you think velociraptors taste like chicken?
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 3:55:24 PM EDT
Flame thrower baby. Aint nothin alive that wont run from a wall of fire!
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 3:57:58 PM EDT
I'd use one of them hulking revolver grenade launchers filled with buck shot rounds.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 4:26:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SPINNAKER: The raptors in the movie were actually Utahraptors. Much bigger and their skull structure is different than that of a velociraptor.
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when I was a kid (I'm only 22 now, so I was pretty young when Jurassic Park came out), I became really obsessed with this. I was pretty certain they portrayed the Deinonychus (sp?) species in the movie, and I definitely remember them making mention of it in the book. When the kid was talking to the dino dude about stuff before SHTF, IIRC. and also, the raptors in the movie looked almost identical to the deinonychus drawings in books I had and to pre-jurassic park deinonychus toys I had. but honestly, I don't think it's all that big of a deal, because it's been a rather long time and I've probably forgotten stuff about it and it was a movie anyway.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 4:45:57 PM EDT
Yeah, I'm 21, so I saw Jurassic Park when I was younger. It's still one of my all time favorite movies. There was something spectacular about watching dinosaurs come to life and be totally convincing. It's like a childhood dream. Fly Navy
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 4:53:48 PM EDT
I would think a SAW with V-Max bullets would do just fine. Of course a mini-gun would be nice also.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 5:15:39 PM EDT
Sherman M4A3 "Zippo" [img]http://iwojima.com/battle/lbattln.gif[/img] And if the above is not available, then two of these would be my second choice. [img]http://iwojima.com/battle/lbattla.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 5:25:48 PM EDT
MOAB
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 5:49:03 PM EDT
Hmm, what about lots of claymores and grenades? I bet ringing your perimeter with claymores would work nice on them. Fly Navy
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 5:58:35 PM EDT
As mentioned by [b]Xer0[/b] and [b]DPeacher[/b], the flamethrower would be the ticket here![pyro] FWIW I was one of the Dungeons & Dragons freaks... played for well over 10 years. [;D] EricE
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 6:08:26 PM EDT
FWIW I was one of the Dungeons & Dragons freaks... played for well over 10 years. [;D] EricE
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Ok, sorry for the generalization. Let me re-phrase. MOST of the D&D freaks I know are...freaks. I know some very normal ones as well. [^]
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 6:13:44 PM EDT
Either the big ones or the small ones I'd go with a Saiga 12ga with the proper 10 rnd mags loaded with 00. That would screw some stuff up... For just general "Jurassic Park" use I think a FAL or G3 would be the ticket although the Saiga with some slugs would probably also do well enough.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 6:25:32 PM EDT
[i]The best you could hope for was to get high...[/i] Did anybody else get this far and wonder how that was going to help?
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 6:50:32 PM EDT
Just to make sure I wasn't talking out of my ass. I just checked Dinosauria online. This is a list of the raptor species.(ammended to add recommended calibers.) Bambiraptor: size of a chicken: 12 gauge rabbit and squrrel shot would work. Deinonychus: Little bigger than a large german sheppard: .223 should suffice Troodon: same size as above and thought to be the most intelligent: .223 Velociraptor: Slightly smaller than a man and possibly feathered: 12 gauge slugs Utahraptor: Slightly larger than a man: Street sweeper with duplex rounds. Megaraptor: Known from very few fossils. Thought to be around 30 feet long and nearly a ton, standing about 9 feet tall. .50 cal +
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 7:11:58 PM EDT
Claymores. Not the sword ones (see my take on those in the best zombie gun thread), the M18 ones. Lots of them. Lots of raptor parts lying around. F***ing clowns, zombies, and velociraptors. Kill 'em all! They give me nightmares! Bilster PS Oviraptor translates to something like "egg sucking thief." Kill 'em too.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 7:20:16 PM EDT
Poking fun at D&D players in this thread is pointless since D&D has nothing to do with guns, except maybe an arquebus. The REAL dubasses are the LARP'ers (that's Live Action Role Playing). There's alot of Vampire: The Masquerade LARP'ers who see nothing unrealistic about having a "gunfight" with a .50 AE in each hand.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 8:36:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Attman: [i]The best you could hope for was to get high...[/i] Did anybody else get this far and wonder how that was going to help?
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It was meant as "to get to some high ground" if possible. Not to fire one up and get high.
Link Posted: 6/12/2003 11:31:30 PM EDT
The REAL dubasses are the LARP'ers (that's Live Action Role Playing). There's alot of Vampire: The Masquerade LARP'ers who see nothing unrealistic about having a "gunfight" with a .50 AE in each hand.
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Ya but at least they have nicer womenz than the d&d crowd.
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 1:07:58 AM EDT
Im thinking fast acting nerve toxin. Whilst i am in a full chem suit of course.
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 4:38:09 PM EDT
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Yep. The book is 1,000,000x better than the movie. I thought that it was dumb in the book that they used the air rifles with the poison darts. Also velociraptors skulls are dished out in the skull (side view between the eyes and nostrils) were the dienonychus are wedge shaped. In Jurassic Park when Muldoon gets the SPAS-12 from the locker if you pay attention you can see the carrying handles/upper handguards of some M-16A2/A3's
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 5:33:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:
Originally Posted By BennyFranklin: ...Velociraptor was closely related to the North American Deinonychus...
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Yeah, I remember reading this a couple nights ago. If I remember the Deinonychus was actually near the size of what the movie portrayed Velociraptors to be. I think it means "terrible claw". Fly Navy
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You're correct!Also The Velociraptors in Jurrasic Park looked more like Deinonycus the Velociraptor. The Velociraptor had a much longer a flatter skull.
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 6:29:56 PM EDT
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dienonychus: [img]http://flood.nhm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/dino/img/deinon.jpg[/img] [img]http://flood.nhm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/dino/img/scale/deinon.gif[/img] velociraptor: [img]http://flood.nhm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/dino/img/veloc.jpg[/img] [img]http://flood.nhm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/dino/img/scale/veloc.gif[/img] source: [url=http://www.nhm.ac.uk/index.html]The Natural History Museum of London, England[/url] edited to add: quoted from the source page:
As portrayed in the film 'Jurassic Park' and 'The Lost World', Velociraptor was recreated at twice its actual size and closely modelled on Deinonychus. Though this was seen as unscientific at the time, soon after the first film was released, a dinosaur of the same type, Utahraptor, was discovered, even larger than the virtual velociraptors.
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Link Posted: 6/13/2003 6:33:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DSVET91:
Originally Posted By Attman: [i]The best you could hope for was to get high...[/i] Did anybody else get this far and wonder how that was going to help?
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It was meant as "to get to some high ground" if possible. Not to fire one up and get high.
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Yes, I understood that.
Link Posted: 6/13/2003 6:58:46 PM EDT
25mm Bushmaster Not for the gun, but for what it comes attached to... I doubt even the movie-enhanced critters could claw their way through a Bradley... Similar specs for a M2HB mounted in a M113, although I think that one would leave my head exposed...
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