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Posted: 6/10/2003 9:27:38 PM EDT
Who called it? You were right... LOS ANGELES (AP) - A high-speed crash involving a driver who had just seen the street-racing movie "2 Fast 2 Furious" left a 78-year-old motorist dead, police said. Vahan V. Shahenian, 23, of Granada Hills was traveling nearly 100 mph on a residential street Sunday when his 2002 Nissan Altima broadsided a car driven by Keiji Iko, who died instantly, police said. Authorities do not believe Shahenian was racing another vehicle at the time. "This is '2 Fast 2 Furious' right here in the Valley," police Detective Kathleen Burns said. Authorities are looking to find new ways to crack down on street racing. The sequel to "The Fast and the Furious" was expected to trigger an increase in dangerous high-speed driving. Police deployed extra officers around some movie theaters before last week's opening of "2 Fast 2 Furious." Police arrested several people in North Hollywood and elsewhere, Capt. Greg Meyer said. The Los Angeles City Council on Friday passed a measure permitting police to permanently confiscate and sell cars used in street races. It has yet to be signed into law by Mayor James Hahn. Iko, a retired engineer, was turning left in his 1993 Toyota Camry when the crash occurred, police said. He was pronounced dead at the scene and Shahenian was taken to a nearby hospital with a broken arm. A passenger in his car was treated for internal injuries. Shahenian claimed he was driving the speed limit, investigators said.
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 9:33:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/10/2003 9:34:09 PM EDT by TheKill]
And TV/Movies don't influence people..... [rolleyes]Yeah right.
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 9:48:18 PM EDT
What a piece of shit.
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 10:07:03 PM EDT
Do you guys also think that watching BHD makes people go out and kill?
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 10:25:02 PM EDT
That is a stretch. Very few people can get their hands on an M16 and a Blackhawk. Even those who can, obviously prefer to reject such behavior. The legal penalties alone are enormous. Shooting the shit out of a group of people is way different than hopping in a car and driving too fast. How many people on this board saw BHD and wanted to go sign up to be an Airborne Ranger? I sure did. How many watch it and go ohhhh and ahhhh over all the trick hardware and really really want to buy some of the cool toys featured in the movie and go shoot up a car with it a Bulletfest? Answer: many. Everyone can get their hands on a 4 banger passenger car. The penalty for speeding or reckless driving is what, $150 fine? Couple that with a large percentage of kids watching a movie like 2fast2furious. The difference here is that BHD influences people but those people will not cross the line into illegal behavior that is dangerous to others. Latchkey kids who just got a DL walking out of the theater after seeing a bunch of way cool ricers trickin it up on the streets have nothing resembling that kind of respect for the law or each other. [rolleyes] your kung fu is weak as is your point.
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 10:30:07 PM EDT
My truck is nice, but its slow. Not slow enough though. I have to be in court at 10 AM tomorrow. 70 in a 60, and I want traffic school.
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 10:31:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Johnphin: Do you guys also think that watching BHD makes people go out and kill?
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What's the alternative? Accountability? No thanks [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 10:31:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/10/2003 10:32:05 PM EDT by Johnphin]
Originally Posted By TheKill: That is a stretch. Very few people can get their hands on an M16 and a Blackhawk. Even those who can, obviously prefer to reject such behavior. The legal penalties alone are enormous. Shooting the shit out of a group of people is way different than hopping in a car and driving too fast. How many people on this board saw BHD and wanted to go sign up to be an Airborne Ranger? I sure did. How many watch it and go ohhhh and ahhhh over all the trick hardware and really really want to buy some of the cool toys featured in the movie and go shoot up a car with it a Bulletfest? Answer: many. Everyone can get their hands on a 4 banger passenger car. The penalty for speeding or reckless driving is what, $150 fine? Couple that with a large percentage of kids watching a movie like 2fast2furious. The difference here is that BHD influences people but those people will not cross the line into illegal behavior that is dangerous to others. Latchkey kids who just got a DL walking out of the theater after seeing a bunch of way cool ricers trickin it up on the streets have nothing resembling that kind of respect for the law or each other. [rolleyes] your kung fu is weak as is your point.
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So the accessibility of the inanimate objects in 2F2F, coupled with seeing them misused on a theater screen, is what makes people act them out in real life? Isn't that what people say about guns?
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 10:39:45 PM EDT
I see my own point is weak as well. I certainly do not advocate blaming the movie. However, there are mixed reasons for the behaviors we are talking about. The movie is an INFLUENCE in this case, NOT the CAUSE. The world is full of influences, movies and TV being one of many. Your friends, your parents, your school, God (or lack of) are all things that influence people. The CAUSE is that the kids have no respect for the law or others. The movie is simply an INFLUENCE. This does not mean we should punish the INFLUENCE. We should punish the offender so they make the connection between actions and consequences. IMHO. Get it?
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 10:47:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TheKill: I see my own point is weak as well. I certainly do not advocate blaming the movie. However, there are mixed reasons for the behaviors we are talking about. The movie is an INFLUENCE in this case, NOT the CAUSE. The world is full of influences, movies and TV being one of many. Your friends, your parents, your school, God (or lack of) are all things that influence people. The CAUSE is that the kids have no respect for the law or others. The movie is simply an INFLUENCE. This does not mean we should punish the INFLUENCE. We should punish the offender so they make the connection between actions and consequences. IMHO. Get it?
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No argument.
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 11:20:52 PM EDT
Yep. I think you're right on point about TV/Movies influencing people. The medium is just too damn powerful. How many $$$Millions(billions?) are spent on advertizing? If it didn't influence people, why spend so much money? The Newz, MTV, etc, probably influence us on levels we don't even recognize. 2F2F probably influences kids to buy mitsubishis, rice out their car, and drive recklessly. And BHD probably influences kids to join the Military, among other things.
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 11:45:30 PM EDT
I think this sort of movie might influence kids ot do this, but in the end, it's the poor choice of a human being-not a wanna be street racer car-that is at fault. Any other way, just replace all the car references with firearms/video games/etc..and hey look.. it's the socialist/commie finger pointing method! He did something stupid..he now pays the price.
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 11:50:32 PM EDT
We're forgetting here that the difference between BHD and 2F,2F is that 2F,2F glorifies racing on the streets and makes it look like the most fun a person can have. BHD, on the other hand, makes flying a Blackhawk and shooting an M16 in an urban environment look [b]very[/b] unappealing.
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 11:52:10 PM EDT
Stupid movie. That is all.
Link Posted: 6/10/2003 11:59:22 PM EDT
An altima isn't exactly a high speed machine unless its the 3.5s. The officer infers that it's the movies fault but there doesn't seem to be any real connection between this kid having seen this movie and then driving fast. Every time I see these things I always think of the cops narrator where anything over 45 mph is nearly 100 mph. It all gets hiped up. The kid could have been doing 65 or 110 I don't know and neither does anyone but the kid and his passenger. Kid going too fast, old man pulls out in front of kid going too fast, old man dies. Bad story all the way around. People drove too fast long before movies made it cool.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 12:04:30 AM EDT
One less person to eat up social security... Oh wait he had been an engineer so he probaly produced something worth while.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 12:14:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/11/2003 12:17:24 AM EDT by SeaDweller]
The Los Angeles City Council on Friday passed a measure permitting police to permanently confiscate and sell cars used in street races. It has yet to be signed into law by Mayor James Hahn.
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Fck those bastards! Is this how they're gonna pay the debt down? Can we blame the war on drugs for this? They gonna confiscate your house too???? [red] The movie had nothing to do with the crash. 2F2F takes place in Miami and he was in LA.[whacko][/red]
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 12:21:24 AM EDT
God, I wish more people had read the "Hidden Persuaders" book by Vance Packard. It's a classic... Mandatory in some schools nowadays...
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 12:43:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Merril_B: God, I wish more people had read the "Hidden Persuaders" book by Vance Packard. It's a classic... Mandatory in some schools nowadays...
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Sorry, I need some [sleep], but do you mean it is mandatory? Or 'wish' it was mandatory? I think it everyone should check it out. That's kind of what I was getting at with:
Originally Posted By ARgue: I think you're right on point about TV/Movies influencing people. The medium is just too damn powerful. How many $$$Millions(billions?) are spent on advertizing? If it didn't influence people, why spend so much money? The Newz, MTV, etc, probably influence us on levels we don't even recognize...
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Link Posted: 6/11/2003 12:52:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/11/2003 12:55:39 AM EDT by osprey21]
[b]Who called it? You were right...[/b] [red]Me[/red]
The body count will rise after this POS runs a few weeks.
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[red]Yup ![/red]
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 1:31:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/11/2003 1:33:16 AM EDT by Garand1911]
it may take lace in miami, but it was filmed in LA the city of LA isnt in debt, the state is, and the city stealing racers cars isnt gonna pay for anything. if the movie didnt feature rice rockets, and was all about hot rods of the 50s and 60s, there would prolly be less idiots in there stock acuras thinking they were hot shit on a stick.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 3:17:53 AM EDT
While I agree that there is a correlation between the media entertainment and the behavior that follows I don't think it causes it so to speak. The people who are apt to mimic behavior are the same type who would have done it anyway. The media just stimulates what they have that passes for an imagination. In short with smaller words, "stupid is as stupid does". They just need a little extra help. Give these goobers a free stretch of deserted highway and have at it for free. That'll put a nice dent in the corrupt gene pool. Heck, it's like giving away free crack that's cooked up with arsenic.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 3:56:57 AM EDT
The more kids that practice darwinism after this retarded movie, the more heat they will draw onto themselves. The more heat they draw to their hobby, the less that is on us. I can see it now: 17 year old in a Honda Civic w/ "Assault Graphics" and "assault Exhaust" plows into a motorhome full of nuns. CNN and PMSNBC will go $hithouse with the specials! "Ban Assault Rice!!!! For the nuns!"
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 4:39:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack: My truck is nice, but its slow. Not slow enough though. I have to be in court at 10 AM tomorrow. [blue]70 in a 60[/blue], and I want traffic school.
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They give tickets for this? Try 83 in a 55, Hwy 75 N downtown Atlanta. I was luckily the guy in front...well, lucky for the occifer, lucky for all the guys behind me going just as fast. Go NOLO!! ByteTheBullet (-:
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 4:59:37 AM EDT
Great. If you are in LA and a cop decides he wants your ride, "I Caught him racing." and POOF, they take your car. Anyone else have problems with these "confiscate property before a trial"?
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 5:19:33 AM EDT
I used to live directly behind a movie theater. I can guarandamntee you that movies with car chases/racing TOTALLY influence the morons who THINK that they have fast cars. It was like clockwork. Everytime the original Fast and Furious was over, there would be about 1000% more people dragging down the street. Yes, there were already a contingent of assholes who dragged after the movies, but after F&F, it was 10x worse. I wonder how many retarded youths were influenced by Fox showing the movie "44 Seconds" over-and-over again? Now THAT pissed me off!
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 5:22:44 AM EDT
high performance car ban. mandatory helmet laws. (auto). for the children. hmm..i wonder if a well composed letter to feinstein and the other "protectors" advocating such ideas would bring any response.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 5:22:55 AM EDT
Ok...Kalifornistan should pass a new SRR Ban (Stupid Rice Rocket ban)of 2003 to save the children and stop the bloodshed. Highlights of the bill will include: *Limit all cars to a maximum 10gallon gas tank...no more 20's or 30's in production cars. After market tanks will no longer be produced. *Any post-'94 car may not have certain features that would make it more dangerous to the public. The gubment will dictate those features based on emotion and stupidity. *All imports will be banned from 2004 model year foward. It's a modest start but when you are dealing with lives hanging in the balance we have a duty to start someplace!
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 5:32:23 AM EDT
I love it, when one of those little shits pulls next to me at a light!!![snoopy]!!! [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=329[/img]
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 5:39:58 AM EDT
[off topic] Hey Fearlessrogue, Death=[b]current[/b]/resistance... [:)] [/off topic]
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 5:47:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 6:00:04 AM EDT
You times are changing when my dad thinks street racers should lose their cars when caught. The irony: In the 70's he as on the NW NHRA circuit. In the 60's he was racing for pink slips in SoCal. (Even raced Mulholland Drive once or twice.) Irony or Hypocrisy. It's just shows that, for the most part, we (as a race/society) have been doing stupid crap for as long as can be remembered (How many of us played war or cowboys/indians using our bb guns? How many of us had to hide the welts from mom?). I think the difference is that the older generations tended to enact stupid behavior in places/situations that (usually) didn't endanger anyone else. Nothing wrong with tearing along at 140 on a closed straightaway. No way am I gonna do that down the middle of Rodea drive. Then again, I could be wrong. I usually am.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 6:24:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Garand1911: it may take lace in miami, but it was filmed in LA
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Silly me, I guess they shut down traffic in Miami for a week for that OTHER street racing movie [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 6:28:18 AM EDT
Every city should have a designated area on the outskirts of town where racing is permitted, on scheduled days and nights only. Such an area would be very unpopulated but have good roads. It should be fairly obvious by now that MORONS are easily influenced by the movies. Witness the rash of Jackass type stunts. This is a form of modern day Darwinism. If only it didn't have so much potential for collateral damage to those who weren't involved by choice. You can't ever make a real race car out of any Japanese passenger car no matter what you do to it. Real race cars always start with products of General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler, and are readily available with V8 engines. A fast, tricked out Nissan, Honda, or Toyota is still a piece of shit no matter what its top speed is. Racing belongs to American Muscle Cars, and anything else is a pathetic wannabe. Any small block Chevy motor is bigger than any 4-banger riceburner motor, and is capable of generating much more horsepower for any given expenditure of money on performance parts. CJ
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 6:36:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/11/2003 6:39:42 AM EDT by nightstalker]
All 200+mph cars should be banned. Who needs a car that can go through a block wall. And ban those big fat limos while you're at it and NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO dark windows.......we want to see your mug and it better not be talkin' on the phone....capiche!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yup, the more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 6:59:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cmjohnson: Every city should have a designated area on the outskirts of town where racing is permitted, on scheduled days and nights only. Such an area would be very unpopulated but have good roads.[red]They already have these. They are called drag strips. Usually $12 will get you test and tune rights until your car breaks.[/red] It should be fairly obvious by now that MORONS are easily influenced by the movies. Witness the rash of Jackass type stunts. This is a form of modern day Darwinism. If only it didn't have so much potential for collateral damage to those who weren't involved by choice. You can't ever make a real race car out of any Japanese passenger car no matter what you do to it. Real race cars always start with products of General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler, and are readily available with V8 engines.[red]This is an asinine statement. I'm sure many SCCA and WRC and IRL competitors would disagree with you. However, if you are referring to the NASCAR circuits then yes I guess they are supposed to start with those cars -- since that is the league rules, huh?[/red] A fast, tricked out Nissan, Honda, or Toyota is still a piece of shit no matter what its top speed is. Racing belongs to American Muscle Cars, and anything else is a pathetic wannabe.[red]WRC.....no muscle cars in sight. Why is that genius?[/red] Any small block Chevy motor is bigger than any 4-banger riceburner motor, and is capable of generating much more horsepower for any given expenditure of money on performance parts.[red]This is also a stupid and asinine statement. I would depend how each person spent their alotted budget, now wouldn't it?[/red] CJ
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Link Posted: 6/11/2003 7:08:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By liberty86: I love it, when one of those little shits pulls next to me at a light!!![snoopy]!!! [url]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=329[/url]
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I'd race you.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 7:09:17 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/11/2003 7:16:07 AM EDT
When "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" came out a few years ago there was a marked increase in assaults by reptiles. It would appear that snakes and other reptiles thought that turtles shouldn't be the only ones to get the glory. [;)]
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Link Posted: 6/11/2003 9:22:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/11/2003 9:23:35 AM EDT by chuckhammer]
Originally Posted By Paul: Guys blew [s]up[/s] engines, trannies and rear ends [red]but not each other[/red].
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You mean the guys didn't blow each other? [;)]
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 9:38:09 AM EDT
[b]Who called it? You were right...[/b] LOS ANGELES (AP) - A high-speed crash involving a driver who had just seen the street-racing movie "2 Fast 2 Furious" left a 78-year-old motorist dead, police said. Vahan V. Shahenian, 23, of Granada Hills was traveling nearly 100 mph on a residential street Sunday when his 2002 [b]Nissan Altima [/b]broadsided a car driven by Keiji Iko, who died instantly, police said. i not only called it (along with a few others), i specified the altima model in that other 2f & 2f thread. now, if the car had 18" rims on it, i'm gonna freak!
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 9:48:55 AM EDT
from my original post... [b]yup. teendweeb's pranged altima will be found with the 22-speaker 'system' turned up to eleven and his chrome 18" rims kissing a bridge abbutment.[/b]
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 10:01:06 AM EDT
We had 8 traffic fatalities between last Friday and Monday (NE Louisiana). The latest was a guy doing around 100mph in his BMW - he rear-ended an 18wheeler that was doing about 60mph, lost control, and flipped the car several times. Part of the truck's trailer was on the backseat of the guy's car - the truck was hauling - get this - BMW's. Just a note: ALL 8 were NOT wearing their seat belts. One of the wrecks involved a van with 12 passengers - 3 were ejected, they all died - everyone that stayed in the van survived. Y'all drive safe and watch out for the idiots! CR
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 10:46:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/11/2003 11:28:36 AM EDT by ThunderStick]
Just to set the record straight. 2 Fast 2 Furious WAS filmed in Miami, NOT Los Angeles. PRO, COMPETITION, SUPER STOCK OR STOCK records. By the way, there are no japanese cars in the national record books. Look it up: [url]www.nhra.com/stats/ss_record.html[/url] [url]www.nhra.com/stats/stk_record.html[/url] [url]www.nhra.com/stats/comp_record.html[/url] [url]www.nhra.com/stats/natrecord.html[/url] These records are held by camaros, mustangs, vettes, impalas, grand nationals and many other american car makes (including a pinto!) The actual cars used in the movie were tested by Motortrend Magazine, and they are NOT fast cars in straight-line acceleration. Here are the acceleration and quarter mile times for the Fast and Furious cars versus a faithful Yenko Camaro replica (this Camaro was sold to the public in the late 60's) link [url]www.motortrend.com/features/scenes/112_0305_2f2f_exp/index4.html[/url] The full feature on the web page [url]www.motortrend.com[/url] Really good street legal dragsters will do sub 11 second quarters. The record is under 8 seconds. These japanese cars are not and never have been fast in comparison to american cars in drag racing. Front wheel drive, four wheel drive, and lower displacement 4 and six bangers are at a serious disadvantage to high torque V8 rear wheel drive muscle. The laws of physics favor rear wheel drive in drag racing because weight is transferred from front to rear during acceleration. A souped up Mustang, Camaro etc will outrun a souped up Japanese car in a drag race every time. All drag racing records (and championships)in street stock are held by US cars with V8s. This is not true in other forms of racing however. For example, in WRC racing (World Rally Car racing) 4 wheel drive is a definite plus and acceleration is not of utmost importance.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 10:56:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TheKill: And TV/Movies don't influence people..... [rolleyes]Yeah right.
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They influence the ignorant only.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 10:57:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/11/2003 11:04:08 AM EDT by SHIVAN458]
Originally Posted By ThunderStick: A souped up Mustang, Camaro etc will outrun a souped up Japanese car in a drag race every time.[red]Unless of course you look in the class of cars that include the Jap cars. Ignorance is not your friend.[/red] All drag racing records (and championships)in street stock are held by US cars with V8s[red]Again, in class racing this makes a lot of sense, considering most of the rules of the class stipulate certain things pertaining to the cars. In NHRA Championships you would only have cars with similar ET's going heads up on the tree....i.e. no handicapping. So IF you had an 8 second RX-7 you would expect to run against an 8 second Viper, right? Right.[/red]
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All that being said, there 4 or so specific classes the big boys in import racing compete. Some of these cars could go out and race some of the NHRA street classes, but are not allowed as their car is not listed as "in the class".....do some more research. Start here for cars that COULD, if allowed compete in some of the higher classes in NHRA.....[url]www.rx7.com[/url] Make sure to check out some of the sub-9 second cars...... This makes me so sleepy.....[sleep] Some home vids of street racing from a roll: [url]http://216.40.201.70/supra/video/viper-viv-blownlt1.mpg[/url] [url]http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/lilviv/misc/video/apu_viv_84monte.mpeg[/url] [url]http://216.40.201.70/supra/video/viv-z0sense.wmv[/url]
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 11:08:12 AM EDT
Can I put my Duc on the line? I think I could take ya. Then again, I don't think that'd be responsible riding now would it? On a silly note, my CEO offered to race me for pink slips: his '01 911 Carerra 4 Convertable vs my '93 907 i.e. I told him sure, if he let me pick the course. *chuckle*
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 11:11:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By NAKED-GUNMAN: "Authorities do not believe Shahenian was racing another vehicle at the time. "This is '2 Fast 2 Furious' right here in the Valley," police Detective Kathleen Burns said. Authorities are looking to find new ways to crack down on street racing."
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WTF? First they say he was not racing, but in the same breath, say they need to crack down on racing... Never let the facts get in the way of grandstanding.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 11:14:27 AM EDT
Call me an old fogie at 35, but NOT ONE of these small-rimmed rice burners has impressed me. I used to have a '71 Stang and that car had mojo and was worth putting $$$ worth of parts into. No matter how many shiny, fancy parts you put on a peice of crap, it's still a peice of crap. You can't make dog crap into a pile of gold by spraypainting it gold. These dumbsh#t punks should spend the money they are spending on their tiny rims and 18" woofers on a REAL classic muscle car and then at least they'd have an okay investment. None of these crappy little Jap cars will be worth squat down the road. As far as the movie goes... I could care less. If it weren't for the innocent bystanders that get killed, I'd say let all these little gangsta wannabe's do each other in. The genepool will be better off.
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