drudgereport.com has a 'developing' link ready with this description



be interesting to see who these "analysts" are and whether or not their argument is sound

Exactly! He did use them, but that was when he was our boy. We (or Our Government, at least) used Sadaam to decimate his own people as well as the Iranians.



Man, will you ever get beyond the left/right BS? (Look at all the quotes in my first post. The first damn quote is by Lieberman! Hillary and others are quoted there lying, too.) As far as I'm concerned, the Dems are complicit in this BS war, and of all the Members of Congress, only [b]ONE[/b] has a child in the military in the war zone. They don't give a damn about you and me, and could care less whether we're a democRAT or republiCON.



Again, "America" didn't win, the Oil corporations (and others, read: Israel) did. You and I won't be seeing any savings from this. On the contrary, we'll be paying for it with our taxes ($200+ Billion), as well as our soldiers' blood, [pissed] just so a small group of people can get rich off of our backs. (Not to mention the Iraqis who are getting royally screwed in this deal.)



There, you go watchin too much TeeeeeVeeee, you don't know which side is up anymore. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and last time I checked we are not Israel.



Again, you've gotta ask, "why" are we trying to police the world? Is it for the good of humanity around the world? NO. Is it for the benefit of everyday Americans like you and me? Hell NO! [pissed] Our brave men and women are not defending our country, they're busy killing and being killed to "police" and "aquire" property for the corporations that run the show.



Calling people names just brings attention to the weakness of your argument.

So is both Bush I and II...[rolleyes]  (You know, the same II said he'd sign the AWB renewal! Just like rummie prolly would!)

Fucking people lie to you about a war that cost the lives of your neighbors, and you turds talk about electing them to office!!!

I'd laugh about it, if I wasn't choking on my tears.

The Government is not our friend?   Whats that all about,we gave Saddam all the time in the world to move all his WMD across the border to his new  home in Syria!


I think he is just taking his time till our troops are smaller,and then going to launch his own tet offensive with his new Syrian Armies!


Hope thats wrong as my daughters in Iraq now as we speak.

Bob

I'm praying for your brave Daughters.

I think Sadaam, bin Laden, et al are just gonna be used as convenient phantoms to justify further wars against the People.

Your sig pic fits you to a T!! This is your 3rd, or 4th post, amd you have yet to present 1 FACT to rebut the original post. You're just a heckler who doesn't have shit to say, 'cause his head is full of it.....

Who the fuck cares if he "ever" had 'em... Your govt. said he HAS them. That's why we invaded, remember?? Well... where the Hell are they?? We should have found something by now, if WMD existed at the time our leaders said they did.

If the war was such a good idea otherwise, why didn't they sell it to us with the truth???

I'll tell ya why, none of them are legal reasons for an invasion under international law, so they are a "no sale". WMD's were the only LEGAL excuse, now we see once again the US govt fabricate evidence, this time on a nation, rather than one of it's own citizens...

Hope ya "feel" real good 'bout that.

Dscott, fergit it, you're dealing with a guy who would believe it's ok to kick down your door, and shoot ya for a pre-ban upper on a post-ban lower..[rolleyes]

I don't call trucks WMD's, any more than I call pipes, or bags of fertilizer "bombs"....

Ashcroft has some new ideas, he mentioned needing additional legislation, to keep us "safe".

Fear not!  The Patriot Act is what allows me to sleep safe at night.[rolleyes]

And with the expansion we'll all be able to sleep safe at night.[rolleyes]

All the excuses in the world for [b]NOT[/b] finding WMDs won't mean jack if they are not found. What [b]WILL[/b] matter is, if they are not found, is that Bush Jr. will not be re-elected.
You can sit here all day and think up other reasons for getting rid of Saddam (who should have been gone in '91!) but the [b]ONLY[/b] thing that will matter to Bush in the end is finding them and getting re-elected (or convincing everyone it doesn't matter when it does).
But maybe this all boils down to what your meaning of "is" is.

[b] Forget it , people here are rabid Bush supporters, no matter what he does, no matter how bad the economy, no matter what.[/b]

From the portable trucks that undoubtedly had some other use than BW (what we don't know) to the delivery systems we found both before and after the UN (that Saddam "forgot" about).

- It don't matter

From the week that every fish died on the Euphrates to the huge mounds of radioactive material found in an underground lab the UN had never seen.

- It don't matter

From the underground "pesticide" plants to the banned missiles actually used in the war.

- It don't matter

From the mass graves in the south to the children walking out of prison for the first time since they were three.

- It don't matter

The war was wrong.

- Why?

Because someone on da intarweb told me so.
(A libratardian mantra - tactus)

Sometimes I can't help but be amazed at the ignorance of you liberals.  There is nothing that you folks won't do to impress us with it either.  Pathetic, and at the same time, laughable.  You won't hear any more arguments from me about this topic because you all have made up your ignorant minds about it.  

ARgue and Cyanide and all the others, I do believe you are in the wrong forum.

Not so, I like firearms, and shooting, this is after all a gun forum. I only disagree with most here on a few things.

Boy, you are ill informed on this issue.
By never, I'm not talking ten years ago.  I mean, didn't have them last year.  You may be shocked to hear this, but he hid them.  Hid them well.  Maybe even destroyed some of them, in the hours before the war.  ARE YOU SAYING THAT BETWEEN 1998 AND NOW, THAT THE WEAPONS CEASED TO EXIST?  IF YOU INTEND TO SUPPORT THAT, PLEASE TRY.
Don't you even read a paper, now and then?
Good God! You're knowledge on this issue is so lacking.
The WMDs were not the "legal reasons for an invasion under international law".  It was the Cease Fire agreement from the first War, in tandem with 1441.
I am amazed at how some of you are so indignantly full of opinions on this issue, yet so utterly ignorant of the very basic facts.
It's as though you rely on the spin from the left, which is nothing more than innuendo and straw man arguments.

I do.
How does it feel to be so ill informed?
You act as though I am somehow being manipulated and fooled.
Yet it is you who is the one who is repeating the lies of those who wish to trick the ignorant masses.
You're the dupe.
I'm surprised they haven't yet convinced you that a semi-automatics "spray from the hip".
You seem that gullible.

Let me just say, that if they produce anything that would have been a viable threat to us or our interests, I will feel better about the whole situation, if they don't, I will do a write in vote come election time rather that vote for a liar, I have had it with lying politicos. A fucking missile that flies 198 miles and was rated at 150 is no freaking big deal, hell the wind may have been with it, I don't turn a blind eye to that kind of bullshit the military/or our government spreads.

It's so simple.

If we couldn't summon the will to remove Saddam, we would not have been able to summon the will to keep the sanctions in place forever.
And with Saddam there, those sanctions HAD to remain.
Lift the sanctions, and Iraq would have become the world's richest oil state.
WMDs, nukes, you name it.  He would have been able to continue producing, and outright purchasing whatever his heart desired.
Had he demonstrated a desire to have these weapons?  Yes.
Had he demonstrated aggression towards his neighbors, and the US?
Yes again.
Did he try to prevent the UN and us from finding the WMDs?
Yes.
Why?
If they no longer existed, the only possible reason would be that Saddam had destroyed them.

So why not provide documentation and access to scientists, so that the the sanctions would be lifted?

Why indeed?

Good God people!  How much common sense does it take to understand this.
None of what I stated above is a lie, or propaganda.  They are very basic truths.

The Left is being quite tricky, in their non-accusation accusations.
Paul Krugman, OpEd writer for the Times is a master at this. Here's a quote from a recent column he wrote:

Here's the problem.
No one in the administration made the claim that Saddam was an "imminent threat".  If you recall, it was the Left, in decrying the pre-emption policy, who said that UNLESS an enemy posed an "imminent threat", going to war was never justified.  They were saying this in reaction to the Administration's claims, that Saddam needn't BE an "imminent threat", just a potential threat.
So when Krugman said:
It's a straw man.
A lie.

Now put it all together...
Yes that claim is fraudulent.
It is fraudulent because the Bush Administration never made this claim.
It is fraudulent because Krugman and his ilk pretend that that Bush made this claim, and now they use it as a straw man.

When [b]liberty86[/b] makes the claim:
It's the same tactic.
WMDs had nothing to do with the "legal reason" under international law.  It was the Cease Fire agreement from the first War, in tandem with 1441, that justified the war, and made it "legal".
(and as if we are to believe that liberty86 is now a big fan of "international laws" [:)])
This is pure disingenuous innuendo that those who lack the facts and moral courage to make outright charges, engage in.
It is sickening.

There is no beef.

Correct, and the issue was WMD's! The US, AT THE TIME OF THE INVASION, said Iraq possesed WMD's, in defiance of the ceasefire, and UN resolutions. Remember Powell laid it all out at the UN???




Ya got me!!! BUT, if this administration is going to continue to force me to live under agenda 21, and sign all these international agreements, don't you think they should abide by them??



The US govt said Iraq was in violation. Iraq denied it. Un inspectors found squat, so have we. Other than a couple of missles that had 25 or so miles longer range than authorized, and a couple of trucks, we have found shit.

So here's my "outright charge".
The US govt, lied to it's citizens, and everyone else in the world with it's excuse to invade Iraq. The US, also waged illegal war, under international law.

Now, having said that, as you may or may not know, I opposed the war because there was no evidence of WMD, UNTIL GWB did his "press conference" stating he had determined Iraq WMD's were a threat. That's HIS job, and I supported him, based on his statements that night, because he is the President, (something I would have NOT done for a Clinton).

Now it appears Bush's statements, like Clintons, were a lie...

It is you who apparently don't remember.
That Saddam had/has WMDs was considered a "given", in 1441.  His cooperation was what was required.  He had to display them.  1441 does not question whether he had them.  1441 merely demands he present them, or proof of their destruction.
Again, with this being SO IMPORTANT, how could you be so ignorant to the very basic facts???AGAIN, you seem unaware of the facts.
The inspectors were NOT there to "find" anything.
They were there to verify information that Iraq was ordered to provide.
Iraq chose to ignore the order.

AGAIN, I ask you.  
How can you not know these simple facts?
Based on what?  What are you saying is a lie?
Your charge has no substance.
I hope it's not based on your previously stated mis-statements.

Not so (unless you're Ramsey Clark).
As I have shown, the ceasefire agreement, and 1441 allows us to use force.
No "international court" of repute has stated otherwise.
Only anti-war folks, or people with axes that need grinding.
Have patience.
The cries to give the "inspectors" more time (months and months) now sound silly, when those same people are insisting we find the weapons immediately.

You really should read the entire actual Resolution, before you attempt to comment on it.
It's not that difficult a read.
Please don't say that you've in fact read the document.  Because if you have....
....your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

You rely on others for your info, and you get manipulated.  You become a pawn.
Try to avoid this in the future.

I'm patient, he has till election time, with me and the rest of the country. At which time his wag the dog thing, won't work anymore.

I'm still amazed at how uninformed so many of you are.
To actually believe that there are no WMDs hidden in Iraq requires one to abandon all logic and reason.
Only ignorance or an agenda of lies allows a man to do such a thing.

One thing I find interesting is the coincidence I have seen in people who believe there were no WMD in Iraq and their adolescent/adult use of cannibis.

Cyanide, did you (or do you now) smoke weed?  

[smoke]