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Posted: 6/2/2003 10:00:36 AM EDT
Hopefully that got the attention of any loggers who frequent this board! Before anyone goes apopleptic, let me state that I'm JOKING! heh. In my past life I was a logger in SE AK, and sometimes I get nostalgic and wonder about the state of affairs of the timber industry. So, if any of you guys (or gals, although I never met a female logger) are on this site, please chime in here! Honestly, some of the finest human beings I ever met were the ones I worked with on the rigging (and the one who did "barrel-duty" on Friday nights will always have a special place in my heart)!
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 10:05:08 AM EDT
I just realized that I probably posted this at the wrong time, because any logger would be out working right now and not parked behind a computer. Well, I never was that bright.
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 10:05:43 AM EDT
I won't get the loggers vs the fishermen crap started here. Where in SE did you log?
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 10:09:09 AM EDT
On Suemez Island. It's about 70 mi W of Ketchikan, on the W side of POW Island.
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 10:12:15 AM EDT
and the one who did "barrel-duty" on Friday nights will always have a special place in my heart
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And to think I always thought that was a joke!! snail, where are you in FL? echo6
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 10:16:59 AM EDT
Hey, barrel duty was a very serious business! Miami. You?
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 10:19:02 AM EDT
About 20 years ago, I bumped knots for a coupla weeks on Afognak Island, north of Kodiak. fished a couple troll trips out of SW, and fished Kodiak and Dutch.
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 10:24:07 AM EDT
Ok snail50 what brand of chain saw is the best in your book, you being a pro ?
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 10:28:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By cyanide: Ok snail50 what brand of chain saw is the best in your book, you being a pro ?
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Homelite? [;D]
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 10:28:56 AM EDT
That fishing is tough work, from what I've heard. I preferred Stihls in the 066 range, but the big Husqvarnas were pretty good too.
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 10:30:41 AM EDT
Homelite? Don't they make little bitty leaf blowers and weedeaters?
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 10:59:08 AM EDT
Hell. My High School mascot was "The Loggers".
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 11:13:37 AM EDT
M-60: That's because almost everyone in Oregon is a logger. Actually most of the guys I worked with were either from Oregon or had worked there before coming to AK.
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 11:43:08 AM EDT
One of my best friends operates a logging company. I've cruised timber with him on a number of occasions (although it was mostly a pleasant walk in the woods for me [:D]). He has told me a few stories about some of the unethical sorts in the business. Some are indeed thieving/raping scum. Some are great. I suspect you will find this type of good/bad ratio in any business. One of my friend's latest toys is a Tymco (SP?) harvestor, basicly a crawler with articulating arms and blades. It can traverse a 30 degree grade while keeping the operator's cab level. Damned neat. Sure beats the 2-man crosscut saw. My friend has also opened my eyes about buying timbered property. I can't tell you how many times he or his dad have bought some nice hunting land with timber on it, with selective harvesting then paying for all/most of the land. My deer and turkey hunting has definitely benefitted from their business acumen!
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 12:31:50 PM EDT
I wasn't on the management side, so I don't know how ethical they were...everything seemed on the up and up, though. There's a lot of money to be made in timber, but I think that it's going to become more difficult for the small companies to keep their foot in the door. Our company didn't use harvesters; we had sawyers go in and clearcut the place, then we'd bring in a high-line yarder to winch the logs in. I was a rigging slinger, so I was the one who selected which logs were hauled in on each turn. That job got me in really good shape, but I also almost got my skull cracked by a flying choker bell.
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 12:38:42 PM EDT
To bad the hippie scum won't let the loggers here cut trees anymore....
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 12:43:35 PM EDT
No doubt logging is a dangerous job. I think my friend said 1-2 guys died while working for his dad (while felling trees, I think) over the course of 25-30 years. MANY bumps, bruises, and stitches. In terms of ethics, I've heard stories of loggers paying landowners upon completion of a job-and then simply not completing the job. Crossing over property lines to varying degrees. Clear-cutting when marked trees or certain DBH only were to be cut, etc. My friend is guilty of making ridiculously low offers to property owners. I guess it isn't his fault if they say "yes!"
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 12:52:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By M-60: To bad the hippie scum won't let the loggers here cut trees anymore....
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NY has a lot of loggers in many rural areas. I see a fair number of "Don't like logging? Then wipe your a$$ with a spotted owl" bumper stickers. We generally don't have too many activists here. I'm convinced that the restricted logging in many areas of the Adirondack Park is going to lead to one hell of a forest fire in the near future.
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 12:53:02 PM EDT
For snail50 and loggers everywhere: [b]EARTH FIRST[/b] We'll Log The Other Planets Later.
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 1:15:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 1:58:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SP10:
Originally Posted By M-60: To bad the hippie scum won't let the loggers here cut trees anymore....
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NY has a lot of loggers in many rural areas. I see a fair number of "Don't like logging? Then wipe your a$$ with a spotted owl" bumper stickers. We generally don't have too many activists here. I'm convinced that the restricted logging in many areas of the Adirondack Park is going to lead to one hell of a forest fire in the near future.
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No kidding. After all the ice storms,wind storms and even a hurricane, all that blowdown just waiting for a spark. In the eastern High Peaks Wilderness, you still can't have a campfire. It isn't because of a firehazard, they just don't want people cutting down trees for firewood. WTF! It is already against the law to do that. I took a forestry management course at The Miner Institute. I had "Born to Clearcut" on my hard hat. Bilster
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 2:15:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 2:30:32 PM EDT
For 6 years I used to bump knots and run a very old D-6 to skid with. Later the boss got a rubber tired skidder with the big tongs, or whatever you call them. It sure was faster than setting chokers one by one. The EnviroSocialists have almost killed off any logging in New Mexico. And the West in general. The only good size mill left in New Mexico is set to close soon. There used to be lots of them. No more. All that will be left are a few small family run mills. I used to use Husqvarna 268's for limbing and bumping knots. On the bigger Ponderosas I sometimes used a Husqvarna 288.
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