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Posted: 6/1/2003 2:28:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/1/2003 2:59:44 PM EDT by 455SD]
I have a chance to buy a 740 and a 742 both in .30-06. Is one better than the other, both good, both bad? Gimme the goods. I have no experience with the autos. Thanks
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 3:00:09 PM EDT
Somebody has to own one....
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 3:10:50 PM EDT
One word about the 742.....[b]JAM[/b]. I had a 742 and no matter how clean you keep it, it would jam up on me. If you want a Remingtion rifle like that I would recommend the 760 (now the 7600) pump, same styling but a lot more reliable. I have one in 30.06 and never had a problem with it and it will put 150 gr. core-lokts into quarter size groups at a 100 yds. all day long.
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 3:39:45 PM EDT
They suck. Remington has never been very serious about producing really good autoloading rifles like they have with bolt guns. The Remington 740/742/7400/Model 4 autoloaders are designed and marketed to people who occasionally shoot and don't demand high accuracy. Get a Browning BAR instead.
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 3:43:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/1/2003 3:46:01 PM EDT by Lumpy196]
A good indication of their reliability is that they are marketing the 7600P pump-action to Police, and not any of their semi-autos: [img]http://www.remingtonle.com/images/rifle/new_7600.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 4:27:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 5:22:20 PM EDT
My 7400 carbine sucked. Heavy, ill-balanced, unreliable and inaccurate. POS.
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 5:40:49 PM EDT
My uncle had one. The groups were about double what you would expect from a bolt gun. After a few years, it quit cycling. The gunsmith said it was not repairable. I know another guy that had similar problems with the Browning (it was pretty accurate though). I would not buy a commercial semi-auto.
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 5:43:53 PM EDT
I had a 742 in 30'06 years ago. I think it was their super match model since I was able to achieve 2.5-3 moa with it. Most 742s will print 3-5 inches at 100 yards out of the box. Read a bunch of articles on accurizing them. About 2 moa is all that can be achieved. Go with the BAR. ARMSTECH a company in Phoenix makes BARs in 300 Win Mag with Schneider barrels and McMillan stocks for use as sniper rifles. They've sold a bunch to US special forces.
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 6:58:11 PM EDT
Well, I guess that pretty much answers my question. No positive responses. Now I know why they are so cheap. Guess I'll hold out for a 700BDL like I originally wanted. Thanks guys (even you JimD)[:)]
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 9:11:16 PM EDT
They made Garands once.
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 9:28:32 PM EDT
Why not get a Remmy 760/7600? My dad has a bunch of them and they are GREAT GUNS. He had some 740s but they had problems. Get a 760, not a 700. He's got some 700s too but that slide action is sweet with a 10 round magazine. CRC
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 9:35:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/1/2003 9:37:57 PM EDT by BusMaster007]
455SD: My 7400 Carbine has been totally reliable AND accurate. It's too late to tell the whole story with pictures tonight. MY 7400 is 'OTAY'! I would advise AGAINST a 740 or 742, though. They had an earlier design that was deserving of the term 'jammamatic'. I would strongly urge you to consider a Browning BAR instead. The Stalker model is BLACK RIFLE BLACK...[:D] [url]http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?value=002B&cat_id=031&type_id=008[/url] [img]http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/images/031008m.jpg [/img]
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 9:45:27 PM EDT
I have a 742 in 30-06 and it is a nice shooting rifle. It is not very accurate as far as MOA goes, but if you are talking MOA of Deer then it is perfect. I have factory magazines and aftermarket and they all function just fine. I always hear people complaining about them jamming and not working....guess I have a good one. TS
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 9:50:11 PM EDT
bummer... i have had a remington 742 since 1982 ( i'm 32 btw) and at least 1200 rounds..later i have yet to have one ( YES ONE..) malfunction, other than a one time operator error around 1985 when i tried to ride the slide bolt up to try to keep the noise of loading a cartridge down and not spook any deer that was in the area. i have never had an ammo problem..my '06 shoots winchester 180 gr silvertips at 1MOA. if you want to shoot one..holler.. that beast is my gravy gun..if i had one gun to serve me the rest of my life..that would be the one. PS.. if you get one..and scope it out..make sure you use solid mounts. good luck..
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 9:52:40 PM EDT
PS.. as to the police aspect..i imagine the 7600 carbine was specifically picked due the number of officers trained with the gold standard of pump shotguns..the duty rigged 870. any officer worth his weight, should thru muscle memory should be able to handle that carbine with ease.
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 10:01:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By imposter: My uncle had one. The groups were about double what you would expect from a bolt gun. After a few years, it quit cycling. The gunsmith said it was not repairable. I know another guy that had similar problems with the Browning (it was pretty accurate though). I would not buy a commercial semi-auto.
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We had a similar experience with the Remington. Chamber rusted. Get a military rifle, they work.
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 12:39:25 AM EDT
They made Garands once.
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Oh no they haven't. Remington made 1917 Enfields and 1903A3s, but never, ever made Garands.
i have had a remington 742 since 1982 ( i'm 32 btw) and at least 1200 rounds..later i have yet to have one ( YES ONE..) malfunction
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1200 rounds in 21 years? That averages out to a little less than three boxes of factory loads a year. My original comment about these things being made for people who don't shoot much is true.
Link Posted: 6/2/2003 12:47:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Lumpy196: A good indication of their reliability is that they are marketing the 7600P pump-action to Police, and not any of their semi-autos: [url]http://www.remingtonle.com/images/rifle/new_7600.jpg[/url]
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I bet that would have solved the "Hollywood bank Robber" problem.....
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 11:33:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TylerSchreck: I have a 742 in 30-06 and it is a nice shooting rifle. It is not very accurate as far as MOA goes, but if you are talking MOA of Deer then it is perfect. I have factory magazines and aftermarket and they all function just fine. I always hear people complaining about them jamming and not working....guess I have a good one. TS
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Brandon (TylerSchreck), Please shoot me an e-mail reguarding the shipping charges you agreed to 2 months ago. Patrick (sorry about the hijack)
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 11:51:46 AM EDT
The real problem is in the gas system & it's relation to the chamber. It's hard to explain, but the gas system runs bac under the barrel. The gases allow the chamber to remain warm longer than would otherwise be the case. This allows condensation to form in the chamber. People that are even slightly lax in the care of their weapons will find that rust forms in their chambers. Sticky at best or even cases stuck in the chamber is the result. I have rescued several of them by disassembly of the rifle, removal of the barrel and cleaning the chamber. Cleaning consisted of a drill, 20ga bore brush, small length of cleaning rod and Clover valve grinding compound. It's a one time, maybe 2 time fix as you are slightly increasing the chamber diameter when you remove the rust & slight pitting. It's not perfect afterwards, but it does work & doesn't affect headspace. Main thing is to keep the chamber clean & lubed when in storage.
Link Posted: 6/11/2003 12:44:23 PM EDT
I've a 742 in '06, at least one stoppage per mag. My father has a 760 Carbine in .280, and it's the sweetest handling and shooting deer rifle I've hunted with. Get a BAR if you want an auto.
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