Soliciting the commision of a felony

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Soliciting the commision of a felony

Posted: 6/1/2003 12:23:33 PM EDT

I got an offer, through the AR15.COM email system, for one of the handguns I have listed for sale here.

Aside from offering me less than I'll take, which is his right, he stated that he was "willing to do a direct sale. I 'll send you the money and you send me the gun." Followed by an offer to send me the name and address of his FFL if I wanted to do that.

Frankly, I wouldn't do business with someone who asked me to commit a felony even if he offered me twice what the gun was worth.

So what do you think; troll, ATF agent, moron?

BTW, the private sale of handguns in my state is unlawful. Longarms can be sold that way, and you can mail a longarm intrastate legally to a non-licensee. But the specific gun this guy wanted was a handgun.

Posted: 6/1/2003 12:25:04 PM EDT

[#1]

"shall not be infringed"

Posted: 6/1/2003 12:25:23 PM EDT

[#2]

probably a fed

i bet they're itching to shut down "virtual gunshows" such as the EE

Posted: 6/1/2003 12:33:42 PM EDT

[#3]

Moron

Posted: 6/1/2003 12:39:45 PM EDT

[#4]

Take it from me, sometimes people just don't know. However, in his case, he indicated he did know by his later comment about doing it through the FFL if you wanted to do that.

I'm betting he's a dumbass, not a fed, mainly because feds know that people in states with licensing procedures don't sell guns that will remain on their licenses.

Plus, can we say entrapment? I'd say it'd be easy to prove entrapment unless you have prior convictions of the same sort.

Just tell him to go scratch.

Posted: 6/1/2003 12:48:47 PM EDT

[#5]

He's either ignorant or hopeing you are.

I doubt it's the feds....
-HS

Posted: 6/1/2003 1:00:39 PM EDT

[#6]

Moron and obviously knows better. Run away.

Posted: 6/1/2003 1:06:03 PM EDT

[#7]

He's a dumbass Run don't walk away from this sale.

Posted: 6/1/2003 1:07:04 PM EDT

[#8]

I had a similar situation about a year ago.

I was selling three handguns in the EE.
Got email from a guy in VA wanting to do a "face to face" no paperwork deal.
I told him it was cool with long guns, but handguns, forget it...
He assured me it was OK in VA to do such a thing.
Not knowing VA laws, I actually considered it, but then did my homework, by asking my FFL how to handle it.

Only way to do it is through an FFL in VA.

I agreed to meet the buyer for the transaction, and an afternoon of shooting.

When at the FFL doing the transfer, I learned of the "One gun a month" law in VA.
The FFL was familiar with the buyer, and knew he already used his tokens for that month.
The buyer was forced to leave the three guns he bought from me with the FFL.

All in all the transaction went smooth, and I got paid.
The buyer seemed sincere, but I believe he tried to capitalize on my ignorance.
That lesson taught me to be sure and do my homework before selling guns...

Posted: 6/1/2003 1:13:41 PM EDT

[#9]

Now do you people believe me of the number of feds, mjtf, state doj, and agent provocateurs that have infiltrated this board?

Posted: 6/1/2003 1:14:02 PM EDT

[#10]

Probably just lazy and didn't want to hassle with the whole transfer but probably doesn't buy you anything in court.

You did right by not agreeing.

Other than that, I'd let the whole thing drop or is the interstate transportation law another law you all agree with. I didn't see it mentioned in the Second Ammendment myself.

.......and no Imbro, we would be stupid to not believe this board is not monitored. In fact, I feel it well represents the gun owners of America.

You would be amased how many good ole boys not on the net sell guns to whoever has cash with no ID check or background check. Last I heard it wasn't illegal but they are working on it.

I don't sell guns, not because I'm against it or fear the result, I just can't part with them.

Tj

Posted: 6/1/2003 1:20:45 PM EDT

[#11]

Yes, a moron. Lazy idiot probably has some delusion that he's free to buy and sell among other citizens without an okay from the state. God, what a jerk. Run away from fools who don't give due regard to the laws of the land. Bozo, that one.

Posted: 6/1/2003 5:11:46 PM EDT

[#12]

I wouldn't be quite as harsh as you guys that used words like moron. Most of the people I know are still shocked to find-out that you have to fill-out paperwork to buy a gun now or that you can no longer buy mail order. I know I was a couple of years ago when I first looked into buying an AR lower. I couldn't believe you had to go through an FFL. Remember, you could be dealing with someone that last bought or sold a gun before the GCA.z

Posted: 6/1/2003 5:15:10 PM EDT

[#13]

could just be naive about the law, up until i started visiting here, i didn't know you had to go through an FFL to transfer handguns

Posted: 6/1/2003 5:47:01 PM EDT

[#14]

Some one educate this moron please but as far as I was aware Person to Person sales are legal in AZ.

Posted: 6/1/2003 5:52:50 PM EDT

[#15]

I wouldn't go so far to call the guy a moron or BATFE sting. Probably just uninformed. I ran into a similar situation with a [b]PROMINENT[/b] board member (he is actually a moderator in some forums here) last year over a handgun sale. He wanted to just send it directly to me USPS. He wasn't a moron or BATFE shill, just uninformed.

Posted: 6/2/2003 12:48:40 AM EDT

[#16]

wouldn't do it through the mail. That'd be silly. Could be he's comfortable with the "community" here and feels like it's like dealing with a neighbor. Or maybe it's your old governor filling his new shoes [rolleyes]

I did a little reading on Pa law. I can't believe Pa doesn't consider a rifle or shotgun a "firearm" nor a short barrel an AOW. It's almost like they remember we have a Constitution. Maybe they just don't feel the need to duplicate federal regs.

Posted: 6/2/2003 1:15:32 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
He wasn't a moron or BATFE shill, just uninformed.

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That's what Randy Weaver thought too.

Posted: 6/2/2003 2:19:12 AM EDT

[#18]

You didn't mention if he was in the same state as you are...

I can legally sell handguns face to face any time I want here. If someone from VA or some other restricted state traveled here and bought a handgun from me, I wouldn't even have any way of knowing he was from out of state, nor would I consider it my responsibility to find out because I wouldn't be asking him for ID unless he looked under-age.

Posted: 6/2/2003 2:22:13 AM EDT

[#19]

That's what Randy Weaver thought too.

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So you would believe one of our fair moderators is a BATFE informant? I don't think so. I had him go through an FFL holder on my end and ship it UPS. Everything worked out just hunky dory.

Posted: 6/2/2003 2:35:31 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:

That's what Randy Weaver thought too.

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So you would believe one of our fair moderators is a BATFE informant? I don't think so. I had him go through an FFL holder on my end and ship it UPS. Everything worked out just hunky dory.

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Be careful asking Imbroglio what he thinks about some of our "fair moderators."

Posted: 6/2/2003 3:34:39 AM EDT

[#21]

I'd vote moron. There are more and more born everyday.

Here's a recent example for me: I'm an FFL in PA. A young man comes in wanting to buy a handgun. No problem, I show him what I have and he picks one out. THEN he says "I'm only 20, I'll have to get my MOM to come buy it for me". Wha, wha, what? He knows he can't buy a handgun until 21 and I show him the question on the 4473 that says "Are you the purchaser, yada, yada". Now when mommy comes to buy the handgun, she'd have to lie on the form. Am I supposed to overlook that lie? Risk my license and more because he can't wait a year to buy his first handgun? No thanks!

BTW it was good to meet you out on "Fog Mountain" a couple weeks ago DavidC. I was the guy parked next to you in the red Jeep.

Sam B.
[url=http://www.fireflyarms.com]FireflyArms.com[/url]

Posted: 6/2/2003 3:48:38 AM EDT

[#22]

SamB,

Can two (2) PA residents do a private, person to peson, handgun sale?

Just want to know.

Mike

Posted: 6/2/2003 4:13:05 AM EDT

[#23]

Mike,

No. PA handgun sales must go through a dealer or county sheriff. The dealer or sheriff must fill out the Application/Record of Sale Form (SP4-113) and perform a PICS check.

Sam B.
[url=http://www.fireflyarms.com]FireflyArms.com[/url]

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