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Posted: 5/31/2003 8:50:59 AM EDT
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What he said
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Posted: 5/31/2003 9:00:57 AM EDT
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I would do both, plugs and muffs. BUT sound is often transmitted to your ears via the bones in your body. I went in to an audiogist for a hearing test, and right away he could tell that I was a right-handed pistol shooter by my hearing curve. There are more minute losses at some frequencies than others, and there were more losses in the right ear vs. the left ear. He was a shooter himself, he recommends to minimize hearing loss, especially on indoor ranges, stand outside when other people are shooting 44 mags. And buy the best muffs you can afford.
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Posted: 5/31/2003 9:03:52 AM EDT
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What matters is the decibel rating. Decibels (I hope I get this right) double with each point i.e. 30 decibels is twice as much as 29, not 3% more, I think. I have seen ear muffs with a sort of scalloped lower section on the muff that would interfere less with the stock that regular round/square ones but couldn't find an example for you right away.
I have not noticed any interference with my muffs (I have used a bunch) on any of my long guns (including my AR and HK 91 together with a bunch of sporting rifles and shotguns) except for my SAR-1. I am tending toward plugs and muffs now. They are certainly a necessity at shoots and when using 50s, guns with brakes and when shooting indoors. I have stumbled along with wally mart specials but got my girlfriend some Silencios and they seem nice (and they were a pretty bright red that she liked [;)]) Here is a link to a bunch of different kinds of muffs. [url]http://www.sportsmansguide.com/search/search.asp?c=75&k=ear+muffs[/url] Some foam plugs are pretty effective, I think. I use the kind you squish up that then expand in your ear. Of course you have to put them in right. Both Muffs and ear plugs get their decibel rating from a "best case scenario" I believe. Fitted excactly right etc. I am not sure if they take into account wearing eye protecion, which I suspect loosens the seal and lowers the effectiveness of some muff. |
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Posted: 5/31/2003 9:54:37 AM EDT
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Quoted: What matters is the decibel rating. Decibels (I hope I get this right) double with each point i.e. 30 decibels is twice as much as 29, not 3% more, I think. No, the dB scale is logarithmic. If you go from 20 dB to 30dB, then you have just increased the sound by 10 times. This translates to [b]roughly[/b] doubling the volume for every 3 points on the dB scale. I haven't found any muffs that I can wear without disturbing cheek weld either. You'd think someone would have designed around that! By the way, at the range last weekend, a few guys came out and were shooting a SAR-1 and an SKS without hearing protection. I shot my SKS once without hearing protection and that was enough for me! Those people have got to be nuts! Is shooting without hearing protection really that common? By the way, this was the anarchy range, which is on public land and doesn't have any range officers, so you can do that sort of thing out there. -Nick Viejo. |
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Posted: 5/31/2003 10:23:14 AM EDT
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Anybody tries the expensive electronic models that block loud sounds but allow normal conversation? There should be a sorce for reviews of the best muffs but I cant seem to locate one......
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Posted: 5/31/2003 10:26:12 AM EDT
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I have heard the electronic ones do not provide the same protection as the better regular ones but do not know if that is true.
I have considered those "Game Ears" for hunting though. The 7mm Rem Mag with the brake is a bit much [shock] |
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Posted: 5/31/2003 10:37:50 AM EDT
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These are interesting.
[url]http://www.earinc.com/p1-electronic.php[/url] |
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Posted: 5/31/2003 10:46:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: Anybody tries the expensive electronic models that block loud sounds but allow normal conversation? There should be a sorce for reviews of the best muffs but I cant seem to locate one...... Quoted: I have heard the electronic ones do not provide the same protection as the better regular ones but do not know if that is true. I have considered those "Game Ears" for hunting though. The 7mm Rem Mag with the brake is a bit much [shock] Quoted: I haven't found any muffs that I can wear without disturbing cheek weld either. You'd think someone would have designed around that! -Nick Viejo. I love the Peltors, they shut down real quick to prevent the high-intensity sounds from hitting your ears, and they recover fast enough for you to carry on a normal conversation. I have the slimline Peltor(I forget which model, 7s?) but they were design for shotgunners to get a proper cheek weld against their guns. This model doesn't suppress the noise as much as the other other fatter model and it is not quite as comfortable, so you have to trade off a little. On the plus side, it is bit cheaper, uses 2-AAA batteries in each ear(4-total). The other model is a bit more expensive, more comfortable, suppresses sounds a more, uses a single 9V battery, and costs more. |
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Posted: 5/31/2003 10:49:07 AM EDT
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For years I used military plugs, then I switched to muffs. Now I'm going back to mil plugs just cause it's easier.
When I shoot my Bush M4 from the hip, I will use both. I never use foam plugs. They just don't seem to work and act more like ear wax collectors. |
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Posted: 5/31/2003 1:07:37 PM EDT
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I also recommend the Peltors. We are using the Comtacs right now. They are outstanding on the range. They are alittle spottier for actual tactical stuff, and there is a learning curve, but they are still better than having your eardrums blown out when your buddy shoots an M4 in a closet.
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Posted: 5/31/2003 1:30:08 PM EDT
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I sure wish I would have had my Peltor Tac 6s 20 years ago [V]
Hearing loss sucks. |
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Posted: 5/31/2003 5:19:17 PM EDT
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Are the Peltor Tac 6 good enough for the AR at an outdooe range. I like like looks of these but want to make sure there is enough protection.
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Posted: 5/31/2003 7:42:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: I also recommend the Peltors. We are using the Comtacs right now. They are outstanding on the range. They are alittle spottier for actual tactical stuff, and there is a learning curve, but they are still better than having your eardrums blown out when your buddy shoots an M4 in a closet. natez: What are the pros and cons of use of the Peltor ComTacs for CQB type work based on your experience? I just got some and they're great (even for mowing the lawn). I'm interested in their potential use with rifles indoors for home defense. Team commo is also an issue. Thanks, Corey |
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Posted: 5/31/2003 7:58:50 PM EDT
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I'm very interested in the Peltors,infact I think that will be my next purchase (before more guns or ammo[:D])when I can get a little scratch together.
They seem like they would be the ultimate. I've even read articles where some models will amplify your hearing in the bush so you can here game russling around........Sounds cool. I don't know about the SKS,but I shot half a dozen full power .357 rounds out of a GP100 without ear protection once. Big mistake. I had a bad headache and rock concert ear ringing for the rest of the day. It was seriouisly painfull. |
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Posted: 5/31/2003 8:20:40 PM EDT
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Quoted: Are the Peltor Tac 6 good enough for the AR at an outdooe range. I like like looks of these but want to make sure there is enough protection. They sure are! I've used mine with my MT6400C M4 on a covered firing line, all the way to a line of 40 Marines in rapid fire. The only problem I've noticed is noise leakage if I'm wearing glasses with thicker legs(?).I really prefer wearing my rayban aviators w/ the wire wraparound earpieces under my Tac6. I need to find a proper pair of safety glasses with wire earpieces. I also wear them in the butts. You can hear all sorts of interesting conversations during firing. _______________________________________________ [img]http://www.pre-ban.com/forums/ranks/usmc-gsgt.gif[/img][img]http://www.pre-ban.com/forums/images/avatars/471897163ec56dcf95bbe.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 5/31/2003 8:54:31 PM EDT
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Peltor Com Tac's, nothing else comes close.
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Posted: 5/31/2003 9:16:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: They sure are! I've used mine with my MT6400C M4 on a covered firing line, all the way to a line of 40 Marines in rapid fire. The only problem I've noticed is noise leakage if I'm wearing glasses with thicker legs(?).I really prefer wearing my rayban aviators w/ the wire wraparound earpieces under my Tac6. I need to find a proper pair of safety glasses with wire earpieces. I also wear them in the butts. You can hear all sorts of interesting conversations during firing. I wish I could have used my 7s on the line and in the butts, gunny, but they mess with a solid cheek weld on the line and I didn't want to keep track of a loose piece of gear from line to line and from line to the butts. Semper Fi, Gunny! |
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Posted: 5/31/2003 9:40:39 PM EDT
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Are the Peltor Tac 6 good enough for the AR at an outdooe range. I like like looks of these but want to make sure there is enough protection. I use them while shooting my .50 so they should be fine for an AR. I hear better while wearing them than I do without them. I plan on wearing them next deer season. [img]http://mywebpages.comcast.net/Delta_3-63/images/Lapeer_MG_Shoot/20030525_Lapeer_MG_Shoot_14_800x600.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 6/1/2003 5:45:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: natez: What are the pros and cons of use of the Peltor ComTacs for CQB type work based on your experience? I just got some and they're great (even for mowing the lawn). I'm interested in their potential use with rifles indoors for home defense. Team commo is also an issue. Thanks, Corey They are fairly directional, and normal speech comms, like from a Team Leader to another team member can be spotty at times. The problem is that the amplification is sensitive enough that background noise can drown out conversations, like a fan, air conditioners, someone's feet or gear making noise, drive fans on a computer, and so on. You can hear somebody hiding in a room, sometimes, but if the TV is still going in the living room, you can't hear them, or the Team Leader tell you to deploy a bang first. For Team member to Team member comms, we have had to start using a few more hand signals, or simply key up the radio. The Comtac will still work with the radio, even if their internal batteries are dead. Our older bone conduction speaker mikes were probably more comfortable for extended perods, but provided no hearing protection. We have gotten rid of most of our subguns for .223s, and a .223 coming from a 14.5" bbl inside of a room will severely damage your hearing. I know from personal experience that auditory exclusion usually kicks in for pistol-caliber rounds in indoor shootings, so a few rounds fired from a pistol indoors seems to be no big deal, but carbines are another matter entirely. |
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Posted: 6/1/2003 6:16:13 AM EDT
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Quoted: I sure wish I would have had my Peltor Tac 6s 20 years ago [V] Hearing loss sucks. |
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Posted: 6/1/2003 6:27:04 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I sure wish I would have had my Peltor Tac 6s 20 years ago [V] Hearing loss sucks. [size=6][b]Can I get an AMEN?[/b][/size=6] |
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Posted: 6/1/2003 8:16:18 AM EDT
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I am a believer in ensuring hearing protection at all times. However, I dont want to use both plugs and muffs if it is possible to protect hearing with muffs alone. Thanks for all the feedback, I am leaning toward the Tac 6. Kind of expensive but what the hay...
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