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Posted: 5/30/2003 10:10:15 AM EDT
just something to become a good shot at 200-400 yards? I was thinking a bolt 223 or maybe a 308 just because it has more power. how about a garand would that get me 1-2" groups with good ammo? any other ideas?
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 10:22:15 AM EDT
Savage 10fp is a very accurate rifle for a very good price. (paid $310.00)+scope. I get .5 inch groups (100yds) consistantly with 168grAMAX reloads (.308). Savage is pretty well known for making accurate rifles at good prices.
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 10:22:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Ridge: Savage 10fp is a very accurate rifle for a very good price. (paid $310.00)+scope. I get .5 inch groups (100yds) consistantly with 168grAMAX reloads (.308). Savage is pretty well known for making accurate rifles at good prices.
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Agreed.
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 10:29:38 AM EDT
Make that 3. Plus, their new "Accu-trigger" looks like a good thing.
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 10:37:29 AM EDT
I'll vote for the Savage too but if you're looking to get into a semi, then check out the Saiga 308. I've seen them for close to $300 for the rifle version with wood stock. They only take 8-10rd mags but it beats the Savage for ammo capicity. What price range are you looking at?
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 10:40:18 AM EDT
You can't beat the savage 10FP with their new Accu-trigger.
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 10:42:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Dredd308:
Originally Posted By Ridge: Savage 10fp is a very accurate rifle for a very good price. (paid $310.00)+scope. I get .5 inch groups (100yds) consistantly with 168grAMAX reloads (.308). Savage is pretty well known for making accurate rifles at good prices.
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Agreed.
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WOW, and to think some guys spend 3000.00 for a Macmillan. they must be suckers, right?
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 10:46:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 10:56:08 AM EDT
Aimless, Check out the June 2003 issue of Guns & Ammo, page 38. It's a trigger system adjustable for 1½# - 6# that is suppose to be safe and idiot-proof, even at the lowest settings.
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 11:00:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 11:23:27 AM EDT
savage
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 11:56:18 AM EDT
Ditto on the savage....You will not be disappointed. My brother is a LEO in S FL at the range and the SWAT snipers were commenting on his gun and its accuracy. We both have the 20 inch 10FP .308....very handy rifle.
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 12:04:14 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 12:18:56 PM EDT
Another vote for the Savage.
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 12:25:07 PM EDT
Have you thought about going the surplus/C&R route? The Finnish M39s and Swiss K31s are very well known for both accuracy, reliability and ruggedness. K31s are going right at $100.00 and M39s are less than $200.00 Other options would be Swedish mausers and of course 1903/1903A3s but those are a bit pricier.
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 12:27:02 PM EDT
wow I had no idea you could get a new gun that is that accurate for 300 thats great. how good of a scope would I need? also I am into older military stuff so what type of military bolt gun should I look at? would the accuracy match that of the savage? thanks guys
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 12:30:46 PM EDT
spend as much on the scope as you spend on the rifle. so if you buy a $300.00 rifle get a $300.00 scope. a Leupold VariX-II 3-9x40mm will do fine.
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 12:35:25 PM EDT
I've got a savage in .243 that shoots very nicely...
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 12:41:06 PM EDT
I also vote for the Savage 10FP. I put a Tasco Super Sniper 20x (from SWFA)scope on mine along with a Choate stock. Killer combo...
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 12:49:39 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 12:51:58 PM EDT
Ditto 308wood, good guideline I have a 6-24X42 tasco mildot varmint scope. I like the scope but haven't put it thorough anything serious like shooting a square or testing for POI change at different magnifications. If I would have had the money I would have got a real nice scope (Leupold). My advice, get the BEST scope you can afford (or you feel is worth your useage level). Military type rifles will probably shoot military surplus ammo better than a target/varmint/tactical rifle. Target rifles are designed to shoot the heavier (more expensive) bullets, and they do it very well.
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 12:59:58 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/30/2003 5:41:45 PM EDT
I have a Remington .223 ADL. One minute groups are the norm for me. Half minute groups have happened from time to time. This is without ANY modifications to the firearm with the sole exception of adjusting the trigger to a much lighter pull.
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 5:57:10 PM EDT
SAVAGE
Link Posted: 5/30/2003 6:00:19 PM EDT
The (now retired) instructor of the OHP counter-sniper course used to come to class with a WWII Enfield .303 mounted with a good scope using match grade ammo and beat the pants off of most of the rest of the students who often showed up with anything from Remington Varmint rifles all the way up to PSG1's, just to show that it ain't the dog in the fight as much as it's the fight in the dog.
Link Posted: 6/1/2003 7:08:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By GaryM: Have you thought about going the surplus/C&R route? The Finnish M39s and Swiss K31s are very well known for both accuracy, reliability and ruggedness. K31s are going right at $100.00 and M39s are less than $200.00 Other options would be Swedish mausers and of course 1903/1903A3s but those are a bit pricier.
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K31's and Swede Mausers are without a doubt fine rifles, but their ammo! Ay yi yi! 7.5mm Swiss is $.50 each. You think Wal Mart stocks 6.5mm? Until we can convince the Swiss to offload all the bullets they have stashed under their mountains on us, I will admire K31's from afar.
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