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Posted: 5/26/2003 1:20:39 PM EDT
Am I correct that they are both from the SAME ship, and went "missing" at different times? What is going on? Was there a storm at sea or something?
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 1:28:07 PM EDT
Yep, two sailors from the same ship are now missing, presumed overboard. Sounds kinda'....um....unusual.
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 1:32:35 PM EDT
I can see the one guy goin' in the drink chasing a football, but the E-6? Something is weird about that. I hope he wasn't suicidal.
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 1:34:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Gunbert: I can see the one guy goin' in the drink chasing a football,
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You can? I'd let it go and just buy a new one.
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 1:37:26 PM EDT
I don't think it's too unusual for someone on a cruise this long to commit suicide.
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 1:39:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By raven -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By Gunbert: I can see the one guy goin' in the drink chasing a football, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can? I'd let it go and just buy a new one.
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[LOLabove]
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 2:26:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By NoVaGator: I don't think it's too unusual for someone on a cruise this long to commit suicide.
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Interesting, but I don't see a sailor taking a chance that the 6 story fall won't knock him out allowing his to drown in peace. Seems like a guy would find a faster way to check out than possibly tread H20 for 3 hours until hypothermia or exhaustion sets in. Now if some person(s) threw him off the ship, that makes sense.
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 4:03:31 PM EDT
[navy]It was a homosexual suicide pact[/navy] The Navy seems to think that saying somone was a queer covers every incident from murder to equipment failure and excuses them from making any further investigation...
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 4:21:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl: [navy]It was a homosexual suicide pact[/navy] The Navy seems to think that saying somone was a queer covers every incident from murder to equipment failure and excuses them from making any further investigation...
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Well, NIS tried that with the Iowa incident. It ended up with a fired Admiral and NIS getting rebuilt from the ground up. That doesn't fly today. It's also kind of strange that you came up with that considering that no one else had even hinted at that being the cause of the disappearance. Gotta grudge with the Navy?
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 5:14:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By xanadu:
Originally Posted By NoVaGator: I don't think it's too unusual for someone on a cruise this long to commit suicide.
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Interesting, but I don't see a sailor taking a chance that the 6 story fall won't knock him out allowing his to drown in peace. Seems like a guy would find a faster way to check out than possibly tread H20 for 3 hours until hypothermia or exhaustion sets in. Now if some person(s) threw him off the ship, that makes sense.
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If the ship is clipping along, odds are, depending on where they went over, they got sucked into the propellers any how. Ya wouldn't suffer long.....
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 5:17:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 5:18:42 PM EDT
shoved overboard by ahkmed probably
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 8:27:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Johnny_Reno:
Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl: [navy]It was a homosexual suicide pact[/navy] The Navy seems to think that saying somone was a queer covers every incident from murder to equipment failure and excuses them from making any further investigation...
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Well, NIS tried that with the Iowa incident. It ended up with a fired Admiral and NIS getting rebuilt from the ground up. That doesn't fly today. It's also kind of strange that you came up with that considering that no one else had even hinted at that being the cause of the disappearance. Gotta grudge with the Navy?
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Yeah I do, and the [i]Iowa[/i] case is the cause.
Link Posted: 5/26/2003 10:05:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By raven:
Originally Posted By Gunbert: I can see the one guy goin' in the drink chasing a football,
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You can? I'd let it go and just buy a new one.
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I didn't say I would do the same thing! I just meant that, in a momentary lapse of spatial awareness, someone could go over the side because they were focused on the ball and not the deck. Darwin strikes again. But I feel for the guy's family and shipmates.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 1:05:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TomJefferson: Two off the same ship has my eyebrows raised.
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Mine, too. Sounds like it could be some kind of get even.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 1:17:12 AM EDT
Had a warrant officer murdered and thrown overboard on a cruise I was on. Not outside the realm of possibility.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 5:39:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Originally Posted By Johnny_Reno:
Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl: [navy]It was a homosexual suicide pact[/navy] The Navy seems to think that saying somone was a queer covers every incident from murder to equipment failure and excuses them from making any further investigation...
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Well, NIS tried that with the Iowa incident. It ended up with a fired Admiral and NIS getting rebuilt from the ground up. That doesn't fly today. It's also kind of strange that you came up with that considering that no one else had even hinted at that being the cause of the disappearance. Gotta grudge with the Navy?
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Yeah I do, and the [i]Iowa[/i] case is the cause.
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Okay. By the way, that was fourteen years ago. Not as though it was yesterday. My $.02
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 5:44:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By liberty86:
Originally Posted By xanadu:
Originally Posted By NoVaGator: I don't think it's too unusual for someone on a cruise this long to commit suicide.
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Interesting, but I don't see a sailor taking a chance that the 6 story fall won't knock him out allowing his to drown in peace. Seems like a guy would find a faster way to check out than possibly tread H20 for 3 hours until hypothermia or exhaustion sets in. Now if some person(s) threw him off the ship, that makes sense.
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If the ship is clipping along, odds are, depending on where they went over, they got sucked into the propellers any how. Ya wouldn't suffer long.....
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Could be any number of reasons. 1) Sailor went outside the skin of the ship after dark and stepped where he shouldn't have. Sailor falls overboard and nobody notices. (almost did that trick myself) 2) Sailor's wife drops a figurative bomb (divorce, infidelity) on Sailor. Sailor decides he isn't worth it anymore and takes a dive. 3) Sailor is still hiding on the ship. It happened on an Atlantic based ship a couple of years ago. Big air-search rescue - whole nine yards. Sailor was just hiding. Could be any number of things.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 5:50:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By xanadu:
Originally Posted By NoVaGator: I don't think it's too unusual for someone on a cruise this long to commit suicide.
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Interesting, but I don't see a sailor taking a chance that the 6 story fall won't knock him out allowing his to drown in peace. Seems like a guy would find a faster way to check out than possibly tread H20 for 3 hours until hypothermia or exhaustion sets in.
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That deep blue water calls ya. I don't care what anyone says, it becons, and I ain't now, nor ever was I suicidal. Just something about it. It looks inviting...it's wierd. Scott
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 5:54:50 AM EDT
The Navy is still looking ON BOARD for the E-6. Could be hiding until they get in port...then try to sneak off in civilian clothes or another shipmates uniform, or slide overboard in port. Financial troubles? Legal troubles? I don't know. But it seems they think he is still alive if they are looking on ship still.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 10:13:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Gunbert: I can see the one guy goin' in the drink chasing a football, but the E-6? Something is weird about that. I hope he wasn't suicidal.
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I keep thinking about the scene in "Hotshots", where the guy on the carrier goes overboard chasing a football! Life imitates art?
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