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Posted: 5/19/2003 10:10:17 AM EDT
ilikeleggs music thread got me thinking... who else on this site was a freak in the 80's?(yes young'ins- at one time, pr really was an "alternative".) the punk thing arguably started in the late 70's, yet i see more old hippies than punkers. do many 30 something pr's have an affinity for weapons and libertarian to conservative political views? become hippies? capitalists? die young? what? just wondering where the anti-authoritarian, anarchist, bold, morbid, gothic, cynical, hedonistic beginning takes most to as they mature. (or not.) brought me here.[%|]
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 10:21:52 AM EDT
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[img]http://server.burbclave.net/~sk8r/steverob.jpg[/img] I am the one on the right. Pic taken in '94 or '95
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 10:26:17 AM EDT
I was an 80s freak. I liked some punk stuff, but mostly I liked really hardcore speed metal. I have tons of cds that I hide from my kids, hoping they will take a different road. I didnt start caring about politics unitl I really got into shooting. I sold out, cut my really long freaky hair and got a promotion. Now I am just a closet fan of old school metal.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 10:39:50 AM EDT
Well, being born in '74 and graduating high school in '93, I wouldn't say I was an '80s punk, but all through college I had gree/blue/red mohawk, spikes, safety pins, etc. I'll try and dig up and old pic of me from then. Also an old skinhead. I make too much money now to be considered "working class" but I still wear Fred Perrys and Ben Shermans & steel toe Doc Martens to work most days. Still keep my hair cut relatively short too. I saw the Business on their first ever US tour when they stopped in Atlanta at the Masquerade. Bands that still fucking rock: Exploited, Misfits, Minor Threat, Black Flag, the Business, Bad Brains, Corrosion of Conformity, Ramones, ah the list goes on and on...
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 10:39:50 AM EDT
ANGST, Something tells me you are going to be sorry you did that :)
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 10:41:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ANGST: [url]http://server.burbclave.net/~sk8r/steverob.jpg[/url] I am the one on the right.
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Wow, I hope you know better about the Dead Kennedys now. I was removed from a Jello Biafra speaking engagement because I kept standing up screaming obscenities at him. He came out and did his shitty little pledge of allegiance and I just about rushed the stage.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 10:47:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ANGST: [url]http://server.burbclave.net/~sk8r/steverob.jpg[/url] I am the one on the right.
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Dude my condolences.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 10:48:11 AM EDT
I used to go and hang out on South Street back in the late 80s. I seriously doubt any of the punk places survived. Last I heard there was a curly fries place and Blax has closed down. I had the spiked up hair like Kevin Bacon in Footloose, but I made it look good. [:D]
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 10:50:39 AM EDT
It's all just entertainment at this point , I liked the music , just ignored the political tirades of Jello Biafra , Ian McKaye , and the like. As I like guns and often ignore the political tirades of certain "right wingers" While I definately liked the punk sceane I listen to alot of industrial/goth (older stuff) like KMFDM, Sisters of Mercy, Ministry, ect.... too. For a while I was a DJ at "the" industrial/goth club in Washington DC.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 11:02:01 AM EDT
Thats it, it was all just entertainment. Sex Pistols at cbgbees, the Clash at JFK, Stiffs Live Tour, of all places, the Community College. Saw Elvis Costello in concert at least a dozen times. Once me and my buddy ran into Elvis and the band in a bar right after a show. His mangaer offered us jobs as roadies as it was the first show of the tour. That would have been a gas but I had to do the "responsible" thing and turn him down. :( I would have to say that the thing I miss most is the "punkettes" [>Q]
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 11:02:07 AM EDT
82/83 at the A7 Club in NYC. Black Flag, Dead Kennedys...man! Club opened at 10:00pm--drove home with the sunrise. More leather than you'd likely find in a milk barn. Slam dancing. Practicing what passed for riffs in the alley. I almost remember most if it. LOL
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 11:13:16 AM EDT
I do not dress the part anymore , not sure how much I ever did , the punk scene for all it's anti-blah blah blah is more fashion concious than most.... Anyway ,do not dress the part or go to too many shows anymore but I am still into the scene insofar that I still listen to a lot of the same music Have not fallen into a "back in the day" mindset yet , guess you can say I am still a punk t
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 11:18:06 AM EDT
Though I diddnt dress the part I was into the punk rock scene late 70's through early 80's. The number of good bands playing in the local clubs in L.A. at the time was amazing. I have never considered my likes or dislikes with musicians or movie stars for that matter based on their personal thoughts. It is to me like acknowledging that their opinion is something special I should take into account. That being said, the first Dead Kennedys album remains a work of art.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 11:22:58 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 11:33:20 AM EDT
Having met ANGST just last week, all I can say is: HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!!!!!!!! FWIW, his fashion sense has 'evolved' but it's just as unique as it was when that picture was taken. [:)]
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 11:58:11 AM EDT
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[img]http://www.variagate.com/livd106.jpg[/img] Suicide: What do you think this is, a fucking costume? This is a way of life. imho, punk rock is just a euphemism. an 80 year old refusing to learn computers and cackling at his grandchildren's arguments for connectivity is punk rock. anytime you put your ass on the line for something you believe, whether you're right or wrong, you're living the dream of every studded leather wearing wuss who wished they were punk. (not a reference, ANGST) in that way, i'll always be a punk. even when i'm driving my jetta to the post office to send out a car insurance bill.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 1:57:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By nwatson99:
Originally Posted By ANGST: [url]http://server.burbclave.net/~sk8r/steverob.jpg[/url] I am the one on the right.
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Dude my condolences.
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nwatson99, to this day when i drive past the local school and see those kids doing the safetypins/mowhawk/leather look, i grin from ear to ear. it takes [b]imagination[/b] and [b]guts[/b] to pull off an authentic goth/pr look. some times i get caught staring and get flipped the bird (lol). with few exceptions all of the people i knew were good folks expressing themselves and saying f-you to conformity and "because i said so". hell, we all lived through high school... now, at my age i appreciate the irony of the archetype non-conformist "look". yes, for some it's was more costume than lifestyle. so what? that's just it- you're putting on a persona that reflects what you want people to take you as. what are you doing with your buisness suit or flannel shirt and work boots? someone asked my mother why i dressed like that and she replied "because he can't walk around all day with his middle fingers extended". i was lucky, she got it. yep, jello is an ass. an entertaining one, who made me think- even if i didn't come to the same conclusions that he and henry rollins have. who the f- are they kidding anyway? they're whores to the dollar just like the rest of us. ...and way to go, angst. (have gone?) edited to add: when i hit 65 and no longer give a shit i'm getting a mowhawk and a huge chrome stud through my nose. f- y'all! haha! [x]
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 2:58:18 PM EDT
Ahh, the memories... Spray painted Anarchy T-Shirt Mohawk about an inch wide like a Trojan Helmet Safety pins in left ear Leather jacket Tanker combat boot with spikes in the toes and F@$K Authority written all over my backpack Loved bands like the Dead Kennedys, Sonic Youth, and going to South St. in Philly to check out Zipperheads. Freaky chicks still rock! I was mainly in the Wilmington & Newark, DE scene. Way too much in fighting for my taste though. I still don't like authority and don't care what people think so not much really changed.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 3:22:04 PM EDT
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I came of age in the 80's, in San Jose, CA. Thusly, I was steeped in the religion of "skate punk". While they were not my friends, we all hung out at ramps frequented by Caballero, Hawk, Hosoi, "Gator", Roskopp, etc. Barely a moment was when I wasn't listening to the likes of DK's, MDC, TSOL, Circle Jerks, Descendents, Suicidal, Agent Orange and the like. Yeah, I was a punk, I had my fun, and now I'm mid-30'd, pudgy, bald, and all that anger and angst has been replaced by family, contentment, and Pabst Blue Ribbon. PS, and to address the original question, yup, I'm hard-right Libertarian.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 3:25:45 PM EDT
Yup. Hippy punk. Into the music and scene but kept the long hair.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 3:37:53 PM EDT
gimme gimme gimme, gimme some more, gimme gimme gimme, don't ask what for. Ah yes. A real city slicker punk probably would have laughed at my country ass with a mohawk and combat boots. Then I would have kicked his ass. Then he would know ;) Now a real punk would laugh at my music collection. I like just about every flavor but Polka. I probably listen to fake neo-punk-Emo type stuff the most. Don't tell anyone, but I don't even *HATE* disco like I once did. I don't own any, but don't flip out if I hear it playing :)
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 6:13:35 PM EDT
Hardcore, More than music its a way of life.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 6:31:47 PM EDT
i used to have a straight edge 'X' watch. i'm really getting out of it now but loved the stuff. i got really into the hardcore scene and had a friend who's band went pretty far. i've still got all my records (color vinyl baby)
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 6:56:13 PM EDT
I was barely alive then. [bounce]
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 6:58:49 PM EDT
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Four middle class kids wanting to make bubble gum music like the Bay City Rollers came up with "Hey! Ho! Let's go!" and unknowingly kicked off a musical phenomenon. When the Ramones' gritty garage band style hit the UK, it was a vocal outlet for kids in the midst of economic depression and gave rise to the bands both there and in the States which we come to think of reflexively when we hear the term, "Punk": Dead Kennedys The Fugs The Sex Pistols The Cramps The Circle Jerks Dead Boys Damned Richard Hell & the Voidoids Television and the list goes on .... The 80's ushered in a more gothic and sophisticated brand of punk such as BauHaus, Gang of Four,Wall of Voodoo, Echo & the Bunnymen, along with the emergence of Ska as a dance hall staple. Europop bands like Ultravox, Duran Duran, Spandau Ballet, Visage, ABC furthered the dance hall scene for the more musically discriminating and less primal. Then commercialism reared it's ugly head and The Knack jumped the shark for one of the most fun, politically verbose mucial forms and eras. Joey Ramone died of leukemia last year, but he left a legacy of music, humor, and self-deprecating good times!
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 7:14:27 AM EDT
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I always thought the Ramones were more influenced by the New York Dolls, Patti Smith, and Iggy and the Stooges. If anyone could find/make me a copy of a song by Venus and the Razorblades called "Punk-o-rama" I would pay dearly.
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 7:33:54 AM EDT
Dressing like a punk-rocker, in the mid to late 1990s is like dressing up like "The Fonz" in 1980.
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 10:08:15 AM EDT
Was spikey, died, and dirty for a few years. Then got introduced to the Skinhead movement by some guys from Bragg. That was about 86. We've always had an intergrated scene of Punks that had jobs and showered, and Skins. Traditional Skins I might add. We flirted with the SHARP thing for about a year but realized they were just about as full of shit as the Nazis were. Politics is for people who don't know how to have a good time. Can't wait until I can fit into some Fred Perry's again. Never liked Ben Sherman's. Always felt they were THE symbol of the fashion police, or "the 1st Self Righteous Church of Ben Sherman" as I call them. Now, for the most part, Skins annoy me because most of the ones I encounter weren't brought up in a crew, they learned it on tv or on the internet or they can quote "Spirit of 69" chapter and frikkin verse. I remember when a pair of 14 hole DM's cost $600. Gas money to DC, beer, booze, food for the weekend. Admission for the show. Bail cuz the chick you brought with you and is only 16 and you sure as hell brought her along for immoral purposes! ;) Bribing the VA Patrolman into letting you off for that 100 in a 55. See a $110 pair of boots just ended up costing you $600. Now you can get em for like $180 off the internet. Where's the adventure? Where's the danger? Where's the risk of getting hepatitis from beating the crap out of a gutter punk trying to burn a flag live on CNN? Those were the days.
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 10:21:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Pat-Riot: Was spikey, died, and dirty for a few years. Then got introduced to the Skinhead movement by some guys from Bragg. That was about 86. We've always had an intergrated scene of Punks that had jobs and showered, and Skins. Traditional Skins I might add. We flirted with the SHARP thing for about a year but realized they were just about as full of shit as the Nazis were. Politics is for people who don't know how to have a good time. Can't wait until I can fit into some Fred Perry's again. Never liked Ben Sherman's. Always felt they were THE symbol of the fashion police, or "the 1st Self Righteous Church of Ben Sherman" as I call them. Now, for the most part, Skins annoy me because most of the ones I encounter weren't brought up in a crew, they learned it on tv or on the internet or they can quote "Spirit of 69" chapter and frikkin verse. I remember when a pair of 14 hole DM's cost $600. Gas money to DC, beer, booze, food for the weekend. Admission for the show. Bail cuz the chick you brought with you and is only 16 and you sure as hell brought her along for immoral purposes! ;) Bribing the VA Patrolman into letting you off for that 100 in a 55. See a $110 pair of boots just ended up costing you $600. Now you can get em for like $180 off the internet. Where's the adventure? Where's the danger? Where's the risk of getting hepatitis from beating the crap out of a gutter punk trying to burn a flag live on CNN? Those were the days.
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Wanna know what's sad? Ben Shermans are made in Taiwan now. Docs are set to follow suit. I have owned a pair of cherry red (oxblood) 8 eye docs since I was 16. When one pair wears out I replace it. I just bought a pair, and they're telling me it might be the last ones.
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 10:25:24 AM EDT
one year, in junior high, i strayed from boots and wranglers, it was awful, a whole year in wranglers and tennis shoes my fashion sense will never stray, i like everything just how i like it and dont give a flying shit whats "in"
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 10:47:23 AM EDT
Fred's have been made all over. British ones are still the best though, but hard as snot to find, or at least they were 12-13 years ago when I cared. They turn up at TJ Maxx from time to time.
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 11:04:25 AM EDT
I admit it, I was punk rock... but of the fake early/mid 90s variety.
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 11:24:04 AM EDT
RealFast, what made you fake? The time period, or your dedication?
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 11:53:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Pat-Riot: RealFast, what made you fake? The time period, or your dedication?
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I think he was referring to this:
Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Dressing like a punk-rocker, in the mid to late 1990s is like dressing up like "The Fonz" in 1980.
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Link Posted: 5/20/2003 12:05:16 PM EDT
Pat-Riot , if you were a skin in the DC area you probably know some of my friends. And not that she's one of my friends, but do you remember Lefty ? the large , black female skinhead ?
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 12:32:39 PM EDT
Well, I am sitting here at work wearing my clean "professional" clothing, and wearing my second pair of black "shiney" DMs I bought in 93, I retired my greaseys. I havent really out grown it.. I still like to go to shows.. Shows aint like to used to be.. and these damn youngins sure do not know how to have a real pit. But I still enjoy it.. I am 28 now. Back in the day there were alot of instances were myself and some friends would work on houses for theis one guy we know that used to rent out a bunch of houses. Thats how we got our money to go to shows.. such as Sheer Terror, Biohazard, Sick of it All, etc... I only did the goth thing for a little while., outgrew that pretty quick.. goth chicks are still definately hot though[:D]
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 12:42:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bob243: goth chicks are still definately hot though[:D]
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Most definately, I married one. She teaches special ed in public school , even though she has to take out some of her 30 or so piercings.
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 12:46:38 PM EDT
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I started out a hair-head and progressed to shaved, and the whole time I was listeing to punk and metal. My political views havent changed much since then. I was always a fiscal conservative. I wanted government out of my wallet as well as my life. Now I work for them LMAO....well at the municipal level at least.
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Link Posted: 5/20/2003 1:05:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Lumpy196: I started out a hair-head and progressed to shaved, and the whole time I was listeing to punk and metal. My political views havent changed much since then. I was always a fiscal conservative. I wanted government out of my wallet as well as my life.
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Yup, I am still shaved as well. Always have been mostly conservative as well. And of course I am still [pissed]
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 1:16:18 PM EDT
Punk is different today then it was a while back. I'm 23 and I can spot the posers everywhere. You know, the ones that listen to Blink 182, Sum 41 etc. and call themselves punks. I like their music but being a true punk like many here have already said is a lifestyle.(I was going to post that picture from Return of The Living Dead too) GG Allin was a true hardcore punk rocker.
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 1:21:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By velocity: Punk is different today then it was a while back. I'm 23 and I can spot the posers everywhere. You know, the ones that listen to Blink 182, Sum 41 etc. and call themselves punks. I like their music but being a true punk like many here have already said is a lifestyle.(I was going to post that picture from Return of The Living Dead too) GG Allin was a true hardcore punk rocker.
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Typical of everything with the current generation of youth...a shallow lack of commitment to anything.
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 1:25:23 PM EDT
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I dabbled - very lightly - in the punk scene in 85-86. Senior year of high school, hung around with the crowd, went to a couple concerts. Saw the Dead Kennedys, Naked Raygun, Crucifucks, and someone else in one great show. I tried getting my hair spiked, but I was too chicken to get it cut right so it just looked shitty. I was probably somewhere between a poser and someone who was really into the scene. The people I was hanging with were hard-core, but I never got that far into it. Went off to college and that was it.
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 6:55:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Atencio: I always thought the Ramones were more influenced by the New York Dolls, Patti Smith, and Iggy and the Stooges.
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No, Joey Ramone was quoted as saying that The Ramones were trying, albeit unsuccessfully, to play bubble gum music when they first started. That's how they came up with their "Hey! Ho! Let's go!" opener in "Blitzkreig Bop", which they patterned after the Bay City Rollers, "S-A-TUR-DAY Nite!". The confusion may lie in the fact that Joey Ramone LOOKED like Patti Smith!
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 4:45:42 AM EDT
GG Allin was a worthless piece of shit and good riddence. Joey & Joe I miss though. Yeah, I know Lefty. Frankly who doesn't? She's in "Spirit of 69". She's a character to say the least. KODoc- Emergence of Ska? Where the fuck did you learn history, Oakland? Ever hear of the Skatalites? Been around since the 60's. They invented the artform btw. You are referring to the "Two Tone" period of the Specials, Madness, Bad Manners, English Beat, the Selecter, the Body Snatchers, etc. So named for Jerry Dammers started his own record label of the same name to put out this music because none of the big labels wanted to put out anything that wasn't shite or Punk at the time.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 4:58:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By KODoc:
Originally Posted By Atencio: I always thought the Ramones were more influenced by the New York Dolls, Patti Smith, and Iggy and the Stooges.
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No, Joey Ramone was quoted as saying that The Ramones were trying, albeit unsuccessfully, to play bubble gum music when they first started. That's how they came up with their "Hey! Ho! Let's go!" opener in "Blitzkreig Bop", which they patterned after the Bay City Rollers, "S-A-TUR-DAY Nite!". The confusion may lie in the fact that Joey Ramone LOOKED like Patti Smith!
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Heh, they sure do look alike. I never realized that Saturday Night song was as old as it is.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 6:08:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Pat-Riot: RealFast, what made you fake? The time period, or your dedication?
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Just being sarcastic refering to the time period. I agree with Velocity, even in the mid 90s is was completely different then today. Somewhere around 96/97 is when a large fraction of it became mainstream enough where it could be marketed just like anything else. I was heavy into the Hardcore thing from like 94+. MadBall, Biohazard, LOA, Old Snapcase, etc. It was a mix of good and stupid. We used to do Food Not Bombs (food for the homeless basically in the city), but then we used to rediculous shit like protest Columbus Day. I ended up in a pretty successful band, played all over the east side of the country, played with the misfits, slayer, ccorpse, etc, I ended up quitting in 99. Definately had some experiences. It nothing else, just traveling all over the country and seeing various cities was eye opening. I still go to a shows every once in awhile.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 7:07:00 AM EDT
Hey RealFastV6 I was just messin with ya. Your self depricating post kina invited it. What was the name of your band? I got people in NJ that might heard of ya they went to CT from time to time. Did anybody catch the Rose Tattoo interview and video that got snuck onto VH-1 classic on Saturday? I nearly shat myself. I think we got somebody on the inside over there guys, I really do.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 11:31:06 AM EDT
punk in the '90s http://www.theonion.com/onion3919/90s_punk.html
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