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Posted: 5/20/2016 11:54:59 AM EDT
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Fucking bullshit.
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Posted: 5/20/2016 11:55:11 AM EDT
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Imagine how many $200 tax stamps he could've paid for in 30 months at his job at AutoZone.
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Posted: 5/20/2016 11:56:04 AM EDT
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The convict was arrested on September 10, 2013, after a caller reported him to authorities for flashing a gun during a road rage incident. Fail. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 11:56:12 AM EDT
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I feel so much safer.
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:16:54 PM EDT
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Some additional details here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_50/458710_SBR_trial_began_today.html
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:18:02 PM EDT
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I feel so much safer. You would if someone waved a rifle at you during a simple road rage exchange. I don't care for the idiot, he had it coming, he set himself up, he wanted to use a rifle to threaten someone else, well if you're going to do that, you should be ready for the consequences. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:19:06 PM EDT
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In before non-compliance types say 'good'. I'm fine with him being charged for threatening someone but the firearm charge is ghey.
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:28:31 PM EDT
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You would if someone waved a rifle at you during a simple road rage exchange. I don't care for the idiot, he had it coming, he set himself up, he wanted to use a rifle to threaten someone else, well if you're going to do that, you should be ready for the consequences. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I feel so much safer. You would if someone waved a rifle at you during a simple road rage exchange. I don't care for the idiot, he had it coming, he set himself up, he wanted to use a rifle to threaten someone else, well if you're going to do that, you should be ready for the consequences. Per the thread I linked, the story goes that SBR guy flashed a pistol, not a rifle. SBR guy asserted that he did not flash his pistol. SBR guy further alleges that the SBR was in fact an AR pistol (with a normal carbine receiver extension and NOT a pistol tube). He said that the responding police officers attached a stock that was also in the trunk with the AR pistol to the gun and that they were the ones that illegally constructed an SBR. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:29:48 PM EDT
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Per the thread I linked, the story goes that SBR guy flashed a pistol, not a rifle. SBR guy asserted that he did not flash his pistol. SBR guy further alleges that the SBR was in fact an AR pistol (with a normal carbine receiver extension and NOT a pistol tube). He said that the responding police officers attached a stock that was also in the trunk with the AR pistol to the gun and that they were the ones that illegally constructed an SBR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I feel so much safer. You would if someone waved a rifle at you during a simple road rage exchange. I don't care for the idiot, he had it coming, he set himself up, he wanted to use a rifle to threaten someone else, well if you're going to do that, you should be ready for the consequences. Per the thread I linked, the story goes that SBR guy flashed a pistol, not a rifle. SBR guy asserted that he did not flash his pistol. SBR guy further alleges that the SBR was in fact an AR pistol (with a normal carbine receiver extension and NOT a pistol tube). He said that the responding police officers attached a stock that was also in the trunk with the AR pistol to the gun and that they were the ones that illegally constructed an SBR. OHHH he flashed a pistol. Well he sounds like a great guy then. Also, he had an AR pistol with a regular receiver extension on it, as well as a stock laying next to it? Great guy. Really good guy. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:30:57 PM EDT
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I feel so much safer. Guy waving guns around on the road? Yeah, actually. I realize that the guy has friends here (and I suspect he's a fellow arfcommer) but he fucked up hard. Threatening people with deadly force is no fucking joke. Did the locals and atf rail road the dude? Sure sounds like it from the accounts here. Did the dude deserve to do some time? Yeah. Is 30 months a lot? MMmmm. Not really. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:34:27 PM EDT
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Guy waving guns around on the road? Yeah, actually. I realize that the guy has friends here (and I suspect he's a fellow arfcommer) but he fucked up hard. Threatening people with deadly force is no fucking joke. Did the locals and atf rail road the dude? Sure sounds like it from the accounts here. Did the dude deserve to do some time? Yeah. Is 30 months a lot? MMmmm. Not really. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I feel so much safer. Guy waving guns around on the road? Yeah, actually. I realize that the guy has friends here (and I suspect he's a fellow arfcommer) but he fucked up hard. Threatening people with deadly force is no fucking joke. Did the locals and atf rail road the dude? Sure sounds like it from the accounts here. Did the dude deserve to do some time? Yeah. Is 30 months a lot? MMmmm. Not really. Actually, the other thread is pretty explicit that this guy denies waiving a gun at all. He said they were all in the back. The complainant said it looked like a Glock but no Glock was found. Also, IIRC the complainant's statement didn't say that the pistol was pointed at him or waved around. Just that the guy grabbed one and tapped it against his chest. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:34:38 PM EDT
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To bad the guy he pointed the gun at didn't shoot him in the face with his. [if he had one on him]
Got no use for gun tards, they ruin it for the rest of us. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:34:55 PM EDT
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http://www.arkansasmatters.com/news/local-news/benton-man-gets-30-months-for-unregistered-short-barreled-rifle LITTLE ROCK, Ark. - A Benton man was sentenced to 30 months in prison on Thursday for having an unregistered short-barreled rifle, according to U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Arkansas Christopher R. Thyer. Justin Stegall, 30, was found guilty on February 17. The convict was arrested on September 10, 2013, after a caller reported him to authorities for flashing a gun during a road rage incident. Police responded and found Stegall's vehicle in a shopping center. Inside, they found the loaded, unregistered rifle, Thyer said. Seven other guns were also found in Stegall's vehicle. The court also found that Stegall threatened the driver he flashed a gun at. Once Stegall completes his prison time, he'll also have three years of supervised release. seems appropriate for the story. 
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:34:56 PM EDT
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I was wondering from thread title if this was the guy who the police stopped, built an SBR and charged him with it....yeah it is.
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:35:25 PM EDT
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Guy waving guns around on the road? Yeah, actually. I realize that the guy has friends here (and I suspect he's a fellow arfcommer) but he fucked up hard. Threatening people with deadly force is no fucking joke. Did the locals and atf rail road the dude? Sure sounds like it from the accounts here. Did the dude deserve to do some time? Yeah. Is 30 months a lot? MMmmm. Not really. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I feel so much safer. Guy waving guns around on the road? Yeah, actually. I realize that the guy has friends here (and I suspect he's a fellow arfcommer) but he fucked up hard. Threatening people with deadly force is no fucking joke. Did the locals and atf rail road the dude? Sure sounds like it from the accounts here. Did the dude deserve to do some time? Yeah. Is 30 months a lot? MMmmm. Not really. Surprised it's that short. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:35:25 PM EDT
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Not that it really makes a difference, but was it the SBR that he pointed at someone or a pistol?
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:36:16 PM EDT
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Did flashing the pistol end the road rage incident? It isn't recommended, but it's a better outcome than having to shoot a raging idiot insistent on escalating until violence. I'm merely assuming he wasn't the initiator/aggressor, and was trying to diffuse the situation without bloodshed.
If the attaching of the stock was done by someone other than him, that's a fucked up as hell conviction. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:38:56 PM EDT
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OHHH he flashed a pistol. Well he sounds like a great guy then. Also, he had an AR pistol with a regular receiver extension on it, as well as a stock laying next to it? Great guy. Really good guy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I feel so much safer. You would if someone waved a rifle at you during a simple road rage exchange. I don't care for the idiot, he had it coming, he set himself up, he wanted to use a rifle to threaten someone else, well if you're going to do that, you should be ready for the consequences. Per the thread I linked, the story goes that SBR guy flashed a pistol, not a rifle. SBR guy asserted that he did not flash his pistol. SBR guy further alleges that the SBR was in fact an AR pistol (with a normal carbine receiver extension and NOT a pistol tube). He said that the responding police officers attached a stock that was also in the trunk with the AR pistol to the gun and that they were the ones that illegally constructed an SBR. OHHH he flashed a pistol. Well he sounds like a great guy then. Also, he had an AR pistol with a regular receiver extension on it, as well as a stock laying next to it? Great guy. Really good guy. What if it was an arm brace, and the cops constructed it, and then shouldered it? It's a stupid convoluted law, and should go away. A 16 inch rifle bbl is ok, but a 16 inch shotgun bbl sends you to prison? That's not where I want to be when Jesus comes back. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:40:30 PM EDT
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Lot of folks running their cockholsters in here without bothering themselves to find out the facts of this situation.
Hope you folks never find yourself in a situation like the guy that was found guilty. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:40:34 PM EDT
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Whatever he flashed, pistol or SBR...Idiot move, and now a convicted felon.
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:43:27 PM EDT
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Guy waving guns around on the road? Yeah, actually. I realize that the guy has friends here (and I suspect he's a fellow arfcommer) but he fucked up hard. Threatening people with deadly force is no fucking joke. Did the locals and atf rail road the dude? Sure sounds like it from the accounts here. Did the dude deserve to do some time? Yeah. Is 30 months a lot? MMmmm. Not really. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I feel so much safer. Guy waving guns around on the road? Yeah, actually. I realize that the guy has friends here (and I suspect he's a fellow arfcommer) but he fucked up hard. Threatening people with deadly force is no fucking joke. Did the locals and atf rail road the dude? Sure sounds like it from the accounts here. Did the dude deserve to do some time? Yeah. Is 30 months a lot? MMmmm. Not really. Why does the length of a piece of metal carry more serious legal consequences than assault 
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:44:43 PM EDT
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I would have nullified the sbr charge on principle.
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:49:19 PM EDT
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Way to keep it low key with the SBR,dumb either way
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:52:24 PM EDT
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Whatever he flashed, pistol or SBR...Idiot move, and now a convicted felon. This. Guy is an absolute retard and is now fucked for life. All over some petty road rage squabble. Carry a gun to defend yourself and others but don't go looking for trouble. Of trouble finds you, then walk away if you can. If this guy had kept his cool and kept subtle, then none of this would have happened. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:54:33 PM EDT
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Lot of folks running their cockholsters in here without bothering themselves to find out the facts of this situation. Hope you folks never find yourself in a situation like the guy that was found guilty. Reporting party needs to be polygraphed I'd say. For best results A polygraph for both parties and if accused passes or inconclusive and the caller fails or is inconclusive the charges should have been dropped. I do think a concerted effort should be made to get a pistol=less than 16 and rifle 16 and above law that gets rid of short barrel rifle and stocked pistol issues. Think of how much time the BATF could then have for actual harra........errrr ugghhh law enforcement activity. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:55:52 PM EDT
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You guys really need to read the linked thread.
Really. Read It. Read it, go on, read it. Stop typing your post count-upping tripe, and read the linked thread. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:55:55 PM EDT
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Came to gripe about a BS Law
Leaving without a care Road Rager gets no sympathy |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:56:09 PM EDT
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This. Guy is an absolute retard and is now fucked for life. All over some petty road rage squabble. Carry a gun to defend yourself and others but don't go looking for trouble. Of trouble finds you, then walk away if you can. If this guy had kept his cool and kept subtle, then none of this would have happened. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whatever he flashed, pistol or SBR...Idiot move, and now a convicted felon. This. Guy is an absolute retard and is now fucked for life. All over some petty road rage squabble. Carry a gun to defend yourself and others but don't go looking for trouble. Of trouble finds you, then walk away if you can. If this guy had kept his cool and kept subtle, then none of this would have happened. Yep. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 12:56:57 PM EDT
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Reporting party needs to be polygraphed I'd say. For best results A polygraph for both parties and if accused passes or inconclusive and the caller fails or is inconclusive the charges should have been dropped. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lot of folks running their cockholsters in here without bothering themselves to find out the facts of this situation. Hope you folks never find yourself in a situation like the guy that was found guilty. Reporting party needs to be polygraphed I'd say. For best results A polygraph for both parties and if accused passes or inconclusive and the caller fails or is inconclusive the charges should have been dropped. Polygraphs are bullshit. The search should have never been conducted. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 1:00:02 PM EDT
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Per the thread I linked, the story goes that SBR guy flashed a pistol, not a rifle. SBR guy asserted that he did not flash his pistol. SBR guy further alleges that the SBR was in fact an AR pistol (with a normal carbine receiver extension and NOT a pistol tube). He said that the responding police officers attached a stock that was also in the trunk with the AR pistol to the gun and that they were the ones that illegally constructed an SBR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I feel so much safer. You would if someone waved a rifle at you during a simple road rage exchange. I don't care for the idiot, he had it coming, he set himself up, he wanted to use a rifle to threaten someone else, well if you're going to do that, you should be ready for the consequences. Per the thread I linked, the story goes that SBR guy flashed a pistol, not a rifle. SBR guy asserted that he did not flash his pistol. SBR guy further alleges that the SBR was in fact an AR pistol (with a normal carbine receiver extension and NOT a pistol tube). He said that the responding police officers attached a stock that was also in the trunk with the AR pistol to the gun and that they were the ones that illegally constructed an SBR. This is why we do things like milling off the boss across the entire bottom of the extension tube so that a carbine stock can no longer reasonably function on it as a defense against this kind of bullshit. "Your honor, the stock can be placed on the tube, but as you can see, it cannot be used to shoulder or aim the rifle since it just spins around on the extension, will not stay in any one place, and just falls off! (*clunk*) My client took the time to do this, specifically to eliminate it's ability to use a stock so that there could be no accusations made about this pistol. As you can clearly see, the stock just spins around on the extension and fell off when I held the pistol up....it's no longer useful to attach a stock at all" |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 1:00:28 PM EDT
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http://www.arkansasmatters.com/news/local-news/benton-man-gets-30-months-for-unregistered-short-barreled-rifle LITTLE ROCK, Ark. - A Benton man was sentenced to 30 months in prison on Thursday for having an unregistered short-barreled rifle, according to U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Arkansas Christopher R. Thyer. Justin Stegall, 30, was found guilty on February 17. The convict was arrested on September 10, 2013, after a caller reported him to authorities for flashing a gun during a road rage incident. Police responded and found Stegall's vehicle in a shopping center. Inside, they found the loaded, unregistered rifle, Thyer said. Seven other guns were also found in Stegall's vehicle. The court also found that Stegall threatened the driver he flashed a gun at. Once Stegall completes his prison time, he'll also have three years of supervised release. Was he a convict before this event? |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 1:01:07 PM EDT
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Lot of folks running their cockholsters in here without bothering themselves to find out the facts of this situation. Hope you folks never find yourself in a situation like the guy that was found guilty. The point is, he didn't just get pulled over at random and his trunk searched and an unregistered SBR and/or pistol found. He did something first to initiate the incident. Now if the cops actually did install the stock, that sucks but it still begs the question: why did he have a pistol with a regular extension (nothing wrong with that in and of itself*) and a stock lying around? Unless the cops took the stock off of one of his other ARs and put it on the pistol. * Perhaps not smart, though. A pistol extension could have prevented all this. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 1:02:07 PM EDT
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OHHH he flashed a pistol. Well he sounds like a great guy then. Also, he had an AR pistol with a regular receiver extension on it, as well as a stock laying next to it? Great guy. Really good guy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I feel so much safer. You would if someone waved a rifle at you during a simple road rage exchange. I don't care for the idiot, he had it coming, he set himself up, he wanted to use a rifle to threaten someone else, well if you're going to do that, you should be ready for the consequences. Per the thread I linked, the story goes that SBR guy flashed a pistol, not a rifle. SBR guy asserted that he did not flash his pistol. SBR guy further alleges that the SBR was in fact an AR pistol (with a normal carbine receiver extension and NOT a pistol tube). He said that the responding police officers attached a stock that was also in the trunk with the AR pistol to the gun and that they were the ones that illegally constructed an SBR. OHHH he flashed a pistol. Well he sounds like a great guy then. Also, he had an AR pistol with a regular receiver extension on it, as well as a stock laying next to it? Great guy. Really good guy. No shit huh? Constructive possession or intent to build is real. Having an AR upper assembly for an SBR or AR pistol but not having any AR pistols or a registered SBR/Machine gun can create a problem for you. Driving down the road and brandishing a weapon only further complicates things. If after an investigation the police decide to arrest you, they have a right to an inventory search of your vehicle. Finding said SBR/pistol thing in such a manner is not likely to get suppressed. The dude screwed himself and opened himself up to this. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 1:05:12 PM EDT
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Whatever he flashed, pistol or SBR...Idiot move, and now a convicted felon. This. Guy is an absolute retard and is now fucked for life. All over some petty road rage squabble. Carry a gun to defend yourself and others but don't go looking for trouble. Of trouble finds you, then walk away if you can. If this guy had kept his cool and kept subtle, then none of this would have happened. Yep. except there is no evidence besides a single claim that he ever did this... Imagine if you are at a gun store and leave the gun store a person doesn't like guns and they call the police on you and say you flashed a gun at them. Now you do in fact have rifles in the car but no handguns (which is what they say you pointed at them) because you stopped at the gun store to get ammo for the range trip you were now heading to.. Are you the dumb ass or is the person that made the fake claim a dumb ass? |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 1:05:26 PM EDT
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I would have nullified the sbr charge on principle. You likely would not have been picked for the jury. Most judges and or attorneys will conduct voirdire in a way where they identify those who are sympathetic to jury nullification. If after being asked if you will follow the law as given to you, you say you will not follow a law you disagree with or find unconstitutional, you are gone. Only way to get past that question is to lie under oath. Only one or two states have jury instructions that recognize a jury's right to consider jury nullification. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 1:06:02 PM EDT
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So doesn't this back up that this was a tack-on charge as everyone has been saying?
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Posted: 5/20/2016 1:06:37 PM EDT
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Polygraphs are bullshit. The search should have never been conducted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lot of folks running their cockholsters in here without bothering themselves to find out the facts of this situation. Hope you folks never find yourself in a situation like the guy that was found guilty. Reporting party needs to be polygraphed I'd say. For best results A polygraph for both parties and if accused passes or inconclusive and the caller fails or is inconclusive the charges should have been dropped. Polygraphs are bullshit. The search should have never been conducted. Of course it shouldn't have been conducted. I mean the guy said he didn't do it didn't he? How can anyone argue the obvious facts of the case? As far as how BS polygraphs are it depends on the operator. I knew a CID Warrant in the 90s that had a 85 percent confession rate. That was BEFORE he hooked up the machine to the suspect. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 1:06:39 PM EDT
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The point is, he didn't just get pulled over at random and his trunk searched and an unregistered SBR and/or pistol found. He did something first to initiate the incident. Now if the cops actually did install the stock, that sucks but it still begs the question: why did he have a pistol with a regular extension (nothing wrong with that in and of itself*) and a stock lying around? Unless the cops took the stock off of one of his other ARs and put it on the pistol. * Perhaps not smart, though. A pistol extension could have prevented all this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lot of folks running their cockholsters in here without bothering themselves to find out the facts of this situation. Hope you folks never find yourself in a situation like the guy that was found guilty. The point is, he didn't just get pulled over at random and his trunk searched and an unregistered SBR and/or pistol found. He did something first to initiate the incident. Now if the cops actually did install the stock, that sucks but it still begs the question: why did he have a pistol with a regular extension (nothing wrong with that in and of itself*) and a stock lying around? Unless the cops took the stock off of one of his other ARs and put it on the pistol. * Perhaps not smart, though. A pistol extension could have prevented all this. A guy SAID he brandished a weapon. He only saw the accused from his mirrors as the accuser was busy driving like a fucking moron splitting two lanes of traffic to prevent the accused from getting by. Accuser didn't call 911, but rather called his FD buddies and word spread to LE. Accused was finally tracked down by LE while he was eating at a restaraunt. He told the LE that he did not consent to a search, and yet the LEO's searched anyway. Search warrant was signed HOURS after the search was conducted. It was all bullshit. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 1:06:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/20/2016 1:06:58 PM EDT
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Says he was brandishing...
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 1:08:32 PM EDT
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Says he was brandishing... Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Go read the stuff that is available...there is nothing that show he was actually brandinshing..it was a he said she said pass on to the cops through FD cluster fuck... |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 1:08:45 PM EDT
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Says he was brandishing... Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. You'll notice he wasn't charged or convicted of brandishing. I wonder why? |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 1:09:16 PM EDT
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No shit huh? Constructive possession or intent to build is real. Having an AR upper assembly for an SBR or AR pistol but not having any AR pistols or a registered SBR/Machine gun can create a problem for you. Driving down the road and brandishing a weapon only further complicates things. If after an investigation the police decide to arrest you, they have a right to an inventory search of your vehicle. Finding said SBR/pistol thing in such a manner is not likely to get suppressed. The dude screwed himself and opened himself up to this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Per the thread I linked, the story goes that SBR guy flashed a pistol, not a rifle. SBR guy asserted that he did not flash his pistol. SBR guy further alleges that the SBR was in fact an AR pistol (with a normal carbine receiver extension and NOT a pistol tube). He said that the responding police officers attached a stock that was also in the trunk with the AR pistol to the gun and that they were the ones that illegally constructed an SBR. OHHH he flashed a pistol. Well he sounds like a great guy then. Also, he had an AR pistol with a regular receiver extension on it, as well as a stock laying next to it? Great guy. Really good guy. No shit huh? Constructive possession or intent to build is real. Having an AR upper assembly for an SBR or AR pistol but not having any AR pistols or a registered SBR/Machine gun can create a problem for you. Driving down the road and brandishing a weapon only further complicates things. If after an investigation the police decide to arrest you, they have a right to an inventory search of your vehicle. Finding said SBR/pistol thing in such a manner is not likely to get suppressed. The dude screwed himself and opened himself up to this. Per the linked thread, a pistol tube was inside the backpack with the lower. SBR guy had been testing an upper that was >= 16" and legally configured it as a rifle to test this. Supposedly, he removed the stock but left the carbine tube on. Per the ATF's testimony in the case: Quoted:
This is what his attorney posted after the Prosecution rested their case: So this "Expert" from ATF, with 20 years experience gets up and testifies that she has been with the ATF for 20 years. "So you worked there in 2004?" Answer: Yes Do you know who Sterling Nixon is? Answer: Yes: Who is he?: Answer: He was the Chief of the ATF, Firearms Technology Branch. Your boss? Answer: Yes. So you just testified as did 3 others that having an M4 buffer tube on an AR15 pistol, built from a stripped lower, is a rifle? Answer: yes. The ATF issues opinions as to such matters, don't they? Answer: Yes And the official opinion of the ATF, is that an M4 tube does not make an AR15 pistol a rifle...isn't that true? Looooooooooooooooooooooong pause. Answer: yes. So can you explain to the jury why you just testified to the contrary? Answer: Uh....well.....you see.....uh......if you held it to your shoulder, that would be a rifle. Wouldn't that be true of every single pistol AR15 ever sold? Answer: well, uh...uhm....yes So without a butt stock, an AR15 pistol, built from a stripped lower is completely legal? Answer: yes And has been, since 2004? Answer: Yes And ATF has never changed their opinion on the subject? Answer: No But you just told the jury the opposite? Answer: yes Is there somebody smarter than you they could send to answer questions? i.e. a carbine tube is fine to have on a pistol. And to clarify, I'm not saying I believe the guy. I'm just presenting his side here as it's laid out in the other thread. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 1:10:45 PM EDT
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Arkansas.....fair trail....due process from LE and judges.....
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Posted: 5/20/2016 1:10:46 PM EDT
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Actually, the other thread is pretty explicit that this guy denies waiving a gun at all. He said they were all in the back. The complainant said it looked like a Glock but no Glock was found. Also, IIRC the complainant's statement didn't say that the pistol was pointed at him or waved around. Just that the guy grabbed one and tapped it against his chest. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I feel so much safer. Guy waving guns around on the road? Yeah, actually. I realize that the guy has friends here (and I suspect he's a fellow arfcommer) but he fucked up hard. Threatening people with deadly force is no fucking joke. Did the locals and atf rail road the dude? Sure sounds like it from the accounts here. Did the dude deserve to do some time? Yeah. Is 30 months a lot? MMmmm. Not really. Actually, the other thread is pretty explicit that this guy denies waiving a gun at all. He said they were all in the back. The complainant said it looked like a Glock but no Glock was found. Also, IIRC the complainant's statement didn't say that the pistol was pointed at him or waved around. Just that the guy grabbed one and tapped it against his chest. While I think it's a case where only the people on site during the incident now exactly what happened, it's an awfully convenient coincidence that somebody called in him waving a gun and he had a bunch of guns. It appears the court was convinced. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 1:10:52 PM EDT
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Some additional details here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_50/458710_SBR_trial_began_today.html So, wait a minute, this was something built on a stripped lower, that didn't have a buttstock at the time of the search? A stripped lower that went through the FFL process literally as "other"? ETA: Just read further. He's saying the cops put the buttstock on there during the search, or something to that effect. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 1:12:24 PM EDT
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So, wait a minute, this was something built on a stripped lower, that didn't have a buttstock at the time of the search? A stripped lower that went through the FFL process literally as "other"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some additional details here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_50/458710_SBR_trial_began_today.html So, wait a minute, this was something built on a stripped lower, that didn't have a buttstock at the time of the search? A stripped lower that went through the FFL process literally as "other"? SBR guy alleges there was no stock on the lower at the time of the police interaction. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 1:12:24 PM EDT
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Always hilarious listening to state/local justice system employees telling a mark civilian they play no role in the enforcement of federal laws. LOL
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Posted: 5/20/2016 1:14:57 PM EDT
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The point is, he didn't just get pulled over at random and his trunk searched and an unregistered SBR and/or pistol found. He did something first to initiate the incident. Now if the cops actually did install the stock, that sucks but it still begs the question: why did he have a pistol with a regular extension (nothing wrong with that in and of itself*) and a stock lying around? Unless the cops took the stock off of one of his other ARs and put it on the pistol. * Perhaps not smart, though. A pistol extension could have prevented all this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lot of folks running their cockholsters in here without bothering themselves to find out the facts of this situation. Hope you folks never find yourself in a situation like the guy that was found guilty. The point is, he didn't just get pulled over at random and his trunk searched and an unregistered SBR and/or pistol found. He did something first to initiate the incident. Now if the cops actually did install the stock, that sucks but it still begs the question: why did he have a pistol with a regular extension (nothing wrong with that in and of itself*) and a stock lying around? Unless the cops took the stock off of one of his other ARs and put it on the pistol. * Perhaps not smart, though. A pistol extension could have prevented all this. Perhaps he had a full length upper and shot it as a rifle at the range last. Until suspect put on the upper "with" the stock already attached the short barrel he was fine. It matters not how many rifle lowers were present as long as one pistol lower was present with the short barrels. The blade tube and blade would have been a better option. I really couldn't come down on either side without access to the prior court materials investigative materials and lawyer conflabs with the Judges. I really don't trust journalists to be either complete or competent. |
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Posted: 5/20/2016 1:16:35 PM EDT
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If this had been any other criminal offense the guy would have been called a suspect or perp in the article. But since this is a gun violation he is referred to as a straight up convict.
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