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Posted: 5/17/2003 5:35:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/17/2003 5:39:40 AM EDT by Oslow]
[url]http://www.nralive.com/index2.cfm[/url] If you haven't seen this CNN story you can see it here. UN-FRIGGING-BELIEVABLE! And make sure to vote on the CNN poll. [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=186781[/url]
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 5:41:16 AM EDT
Damnit, it won't play on my browser. Can someone post a synopsis?
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 5:51:42 AM EDT
Pre-ban weapons are illegal to ownm because they can fire ful-auto. AKs with 30 round magazines penetrate cinderblocks and bullet-proof vests, but the same AK with a 10 round magazine is nice to kittens and children.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 5:54:55 AM EDT
That CNN story wasn't media bias, it was DOWNRIGHT F'ING LYING. For those who can't see the story: Sheriff shoots a pre-ban AK-47 at cinder blocks. It goes through them leaving puffs of dust in the air. He then shoots at a "bullet-proof" vest. Bullets penetrate the vest. Now shoots with a post-ban, 10 round magazine at cinder blocks. The camera shows the cinder block. No holes, no puffs of dust, nothing. Obviously a 10-round magazine and no pre-ban features makes the FIREARM SAFER. Sheriff says, "What makes the difference is the amount of fire power." Now to show the destructive force of the pre-ban he SWITCHES IT TO FULL AUTO! CNN reporter then talks about keeping the AWB in force. WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 5:58:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Deliverator: That CNN story wasn't media bias, it was DOWNRIGHT F'ING LYING. WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!
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One of the biggest loads I have ever seen.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 6:00:58 AM EDT
Shithead Sherrif needs his ass beat down really bad. That little bitch, i wonder how much money he got for doing that skit?
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 6:02:16 AM EDT
So far: CNN Reporter Geewhiz interviews Sheriff Asshat who says Broward County Sheriffs support a renewal of AWB because of the destructive power of assault weapons. Asshat then directs Deputy Flunky to shoot cinderblocks and an old bulletproof vest with a Norinco AK47 with 30rd mag. Flunky shoots the cinderblocks, which break apart as expected. Flunky shoots vest which presumably is penetrated, but the video isn't clear enough to see this. Geewhiz is in awe of the destructive force he has witnessed. Flunky then takes a Vepr with a 10rd mag and proceeds to shoot at the cinderblocks and miss them entirely. Asshat points out what a difference the 10rd magazine made in the destructive ability of the gun and Geewhiz is again impressed. Flunky then takes a full auto AK and unloads a 20rd burst into the vest. So now we can all see why semi-automatic assault weapons are bad and should continue to be banned.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 6:04:30 AM EDT
any way to download it?
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 6:09:22 AM EDT
Isn't there some way to sue these clowns (both CNN & the Broward Co. Sherriff's Dept) for conspiracy to violate our Second Amendment Rights? I mean, geez, after the Tobacco suits, surely there is a vicious enough attorney out there to do something like that.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 6:18:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TacticalMan: Isn't there some way to sue these clowns (both CNN & the Broward Co. Sherriff's Dept) for conspiracy to violate our Second Amendment Rights? I mean, geez, after the Tobacco suits, surely there is a vicious enough attorney out there to do something like that.
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Dont you know by now that gun owners dont do anything but whine and sometiems write letters?
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 6:37:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/17/2003 6:39:13 AM EDT by ckapsl]
Originally Posted By THOF: any way to download it?
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I don't know if it is possible to save a RealPlayer stream as a downloadable file. I will investigate and post again if I have success. There is a handy dandy email feature that lets you email a link to the video to anyone. The link is: [url]http://www.nralive.com/index-a.cfm?id=2714[/url] There is also a direct link that you can use with RealPlayer (copy and paste): [url]rtsp://rnd31sea.activate.net/am/content/video/hi/20030516-053817r508.rm[/url] [b]However, do not send this link to other people, since it is on a third party server, and may not exist indefinitely[/b]. Use the NRA Live link instead. Great job NRA! The clip is kick-ass and demolishes CNN and the Broward County sheriff and exposes them as liars. [b]I strongly encourage everyone to send this video to everyone, particularly to your local news media, whether they be TV or print.[/b] The more people know how CNN and the news media can lie to them, the better off we will be. Perhaps the mods could tack this?
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 6:44:53 AM EDT
Shot a PC AK with 10rd mag and missed the cinderblocks, whereas; the 30rd mag hit the cinderblock. Total BS, and most democRats believe this.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 6:55:32 AM EDT
... If that won't frost your hide nothing will.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 7:10:37 AM EDT
What a bunch of misleading Bullshit [furious]
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 8:18:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/17/2003 8:20:41 AM EDT by ckapsl]
Ok, guys, this is the message that I have started emailing out to the news media: I thought that you (and perhaps your readers) might be interested in an NRA video clip that shows a fraud that CNN perpetrated on its viewers with respect to the Assault Weapons ban, with the active participation of the sheriff of Broward County, Florida. The clip is here: [url]www.nralive.com/index-a.cfm?id=2714[/url] (If you have high-speed Internet access, click on the Options tab on the web page to change your bandwidth option, which is set to dialup by default). On May 15, 2003, CNN & the Broward County sheriff: 1) Showed a "pre-ban" AK-47 shooting holes in cinder blocks and a bullet proof vest. Then, they changed to a "post-ban" legal AK-47 type rifle. As the camera focused on the cinder blocks only, the viewers heard several shots in the background. Yet nothing happened to the cinder blocks - no holes, no puffs of dirt, nothing - obviously the shooter was not shooting at them! This was misrepresented to the viewers as how safe the post-ban rifle was. 2) Showed a fully automatic AK-47 (which is classified as a machine gun and is very difficult for civilians to own) and misrepresented it as an assault weapon, even though the 1994 assault weapons ban applies to only semi-automatic rifles. For good effect, the sheriff fired a burst from the fully automatic rifle into the cinder blocks, obliterating them. This was then represented to the viewers as how unreasonably dangerous these assault weapons were to the public. 3) Although not addressed in the NRA video clip, the Broward County sheriff showed the rifle shooting holes in a bullet proof vest - without mentioning to viewers that bullet proof vests protect against only low-powered handgun ammunition, and any rifle, even a hunting rifle from the early 1900s, has the power and velocity to shoot through a bullet proof vest. It is in the interest of the news media to insist on accurate and truthful reporting. In fact, there is simply no substitute for it, in the gun control debate or anywhere else. This kind of false reporting is reminiscent of NBC's exploding gas tank scam, and shoots large holes into the credibility of the media as a whole, not just CNN. I hope that you will call CNN to account. CNN's transcript of the segment is here: [url]http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0305/15/se.13.html[/url] CNN's host was Anderson Cooper and the on-scene reporter was John Zarella, the CNN Miami bureau chief. The Broward County sheriff is Ken Jenne, and he was accompanied by Deputy Chris Worth. Best regards, ...
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 8:33:21 AM EDT
Ok, so far, I have emailed this to the Washington Post, the Chicago Tribune, the LA Times, the San Francisco Chronicle, the Denver Post, and several weblogs. C'mon guys, we can get something going here!
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 8:39:43 AM EDT
This needs to be tacked and a full force attack on CNN and sheriff dumbell. I will be doing my part.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 8:49:06 AM EDT
I wouldn't be too quick to condemn Sheriff Jenne for his role in this. From his perspective he may have just been demonstrating the selective-fire AK to show how cool it was. He may not have known that the context would be twisted around to make it appear that the expiration of the AWB would allow machine guns to be sold without restrictions. CNN has to take the blame for how the piece was edited and the context in which it was broadcast.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 8:55:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/17/2003 8:59:09 AM EDT by ckapsl]
Originally Posted By California_Kid: I wouldn't be too quick to condemn Sheriff Jenne for his role in this. From his perspective he may have just been demonstrating the selective-fire AK to show how cool it was. He may not have known that the context would be twisted around to make it appear that the expiration of the AWB would allow machine guns to be sold without restrictions. CNN has to take the blame for how the piece was edited and the context in which it was broadcast.
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All the evidence to date shows that the sheriff actively participated in the fraud. For instance, from my post:
1) Showed a "pre-ban" AK-47 shooting holes in cinder blocks and a bullet proof vest. Then, they changed to a "post-ban" legal AK-47 type rifle. As the camera focused on the cinder blocks only, the viewers heard several shots in the background. Yet nothing happened to the cinder blocks - no holes, no puffs of dirt, nothing - obviously the shooter was not shooting at them! This was misrepresented to the viewers as how safe the post-ban rifle was.
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There was plenty of other stuff that the NRA clip did not address: The misleading about the bulletproof vest. Bulletproof vests protect against only handgun ammo. Neglecting to mention that his "sporting shotgun" would demolish the cinder block if loaded with a slug or 00 Buck. Talking about how these weapons are used in drive by shootings. The Broward County sheriff was actively involved in this, and fully deserves to get part of the rap. However, if we can demolish CNN's credibility, that is more important in the big scheme of things.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 8:58:01 AM EDT
Yeah, I guess you are right. I'm too eager to cut cops slack. He's an asshole.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 9:43:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/17/2003 9:55:33 AM EDT by HeavyMetal]
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 10:00:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By HeavyMetal: Send it to Fox, they love to catch CNN in a lie! I sent it to drudge.
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I cannot believe my friggin eyes!!!! A 10 round is better than a 30 round and hitting cinder blocks and vests and penetration and no penetration and....AAAAAARRRRRGGHHHH!!! I am losing my friggin mind!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 10:06:41 AM EDT
The second shooting demo where they said the magazine held 10 rds. still looked like a 30 rd. magazine to me. Am I correct? Anyway the gun seemed to develop a defect the sheriff alluded to that they were not especially accurate.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 10:10:42 AM EDT
sick lies
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 10:23:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ckapsl: Ok, guys, this is the message that I have started emailing out to the news media:
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Hope you don't mind, I used your post and placed it at a couple of other places. I might send it to the local news stations as well.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 10:37:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BigIck:
Originally Posted By ckapsl: Ok, guys, this is the message that I have started emailing out to the news media:
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Hope you don't mind, I used your post and placed it at a couple of other places. I might send it to the local news stations as well.
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Please feel free to use my post! The more places that this information find itself to, the better. We also need to post this on the other gun boards, Free Republic, etc.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 10:38:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By nightstalker: The second shooting demo where they said the magazine held 10 rds. still looked like a 30 rd. magazine to me. Am I correct?
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Correct. This was one of the little lies in a piece filled with huge whoppers. I would like to address all of them, but through experience, it is better to focus on the top two or three big lies.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 11:06:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/17/2003 11:08:37 AM EDT by AR-15Fan]
Yes, the post ban AK they showed was what looked to me like a Hesse converted Saiga, which they had a 30 rnd mag stuck in. Why the idiot then went on about 10 rnd mags I have no idea, perhaps he was trying to simplify the over-10 rnd mag ban stuff. The only reason why the damage from the full auto looked greater on the cinder blocks was because they fired around twice as many shots with it at it's half of the wall. They fired 3-4 shots on semi auto, then at least 10 more on full auto. The fired the Saiga into it's half 7 times at a slow semiautomatic rate. Two of which seemed to do virtually no damage as they hit the top block at a high angle as it was shifted by the bottom block breaking nearly dropping the top one. In no way was that any kind of fair comparison, obviously we all know they fire the exact same round, but these morons sure tried to portray it differently. The entire idea of showing a full auto and implying it was what was banned, and if the ban sunsetted it was what would be "on the streets" was completely misleading. Either that Sheriff is a lying asshole who misrepresented that or purpose for he's an idiot that doesn't even know the law he is supporting (not uncommon with this monster the AWB...)
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 11:07:13 AM EDT
It's too bad we can't get pro-gun lawyers to file lawsuits on behalf of gun owners. I simply can't afford the legal fees. I can't watch that video clip. Just reading about it turns my stomach ... if I see it I'd probably snap.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 11:08:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Demordrah: I can't watch that video clip. Just reading about it turns my stomach ... if I see it I'd probably snap.
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Don't get mad - get even. Send the clip to your local news media.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 11:11:57 AM EDT
Oh yeah, is this video on the NRA page just a recap of the CNN report, or does it also have some commentary by Pro-gunners added? I already have the CNN report on tape, no need to watch here and I don't have Realplayer and would like to avoid installing it if the video isn't something different...
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 11:40:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AR-15Fan: Oh yeah, is this video on the NRA page just a recap of the CNN report, or does it also have some commentary by Pro-gunners added? I already have the CNN report on tape, no need to watch here and I don't have Realplayer and would like to avoid installing it if the video isn't something different...
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You [b]have[/b] to watch this video! The NRA has done an awesome job - they have taken the CNN footage, added their commentary to it, and ripped CNN and the Broward County sheriff to shreds. That is why I am asking everyone to forward the clip to their local news outlets.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 11:41:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AR-15Fan: Oh yeah, is this video on the NRA page just a recap of the CNN report, or does it also have some commentary by Pro-gunners added? I already have the CNN report on tape, no need to watch here and I don't have Realplayer and would like to avoid installing it if the video isn't something different...
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all it adds is some nra lady pointing out a few of the lies, and then video of her calling the sherrif's department and getting ignored ("what's you're number, we'll call you back")
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 12:06:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Red_Beard: all it adds is some nra lady pointing out a few of the lies, and then video of her calling the sherrif's department and getting ignored ("what's you're number, we'll call you back")
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The value of the NRA's video is not so high to us gun nuts. We know this stuff already. Every person on this board could spot the lies as soon as the CNN segment was originally broadcast. The value of the NRA clip is that it takes the weapon of CNN - the video - and turns it around so that it is pointed at CNN. I predict that it will be quite effective when aimed at the fence sitters and those who do not know a lot about firearms, semi-automatics, and fully automatic machine guns. It will be an eye opener for those people.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 1:38:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/17/2003 1:40:09 PM EDT by TUMOR]
Send an Email to that prick "Sheriff" Jenne at www.sheriff.org And tell him he's a damn liar! I did! But then again, most Sheriffs are liars and political hacks! And a big "UP YOURS A-Hole!" to the Detective doing the demonstration!
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 2:04:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ckapsl: Don't get mad - get even. Send the clip to your local news media.
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I forwarded it to the three "big" local news agencies, the local paper and Bill O'Reilly at Fox news. Plus a couple of other boards!!
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 2:21:43 PM EDT
I wonder if fox news would pick it up.....prolly not.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 5:22:30 PM EDT
Since this story was produced in Broward County, Florida, I sent the email to the Miami Herald and the Sun Sentinel. To add some local flavor to the story, I pointed out that the Broward County sheriff was engaging in political advocacy on the taxpayer dime [}:D]
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 5:25:07 PM EDT
I voted and got to see that we are kicking butt!! copy and paste this instead of following a link from this site. http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/wolf.blitzer.reports/
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 5:59:41 PM EDT
Another reason why CNN stands for CLINON FUCKING NEWS NETWORK
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 6:27:37 PM EDT
Here's the email reply I just got back from the Communist News Network: "Thank you for taking the time to submit your comments on the "Top Stories" of the day on CNN.com! It is very important for us to know what our viewers are feeling and we value your response. This is how we are able to consider changes that will appeal to you, our valued viewer. Due to the volume of emails we receive, we do not personally reply to emails sent through this section. However, we pride ourselves in making the opinions of our viewers known to CNN senior management and producers. Your comments will be part of the Viewer Response Report provided to our news division on the next business day. Thanks again for your feedback! CNN http://www.cnn.com" I told them that I didn't like the way that they fabricate the news or should I say "views". I told them they were just as bad as Dateline NBC and the Chevy truck story which was a total Lie...
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 6:49:59 PM EDT
Don't know if you guys have seen this but it looks like CNN may give the BCR's on Bower's board a chance to refute what's implied in the story. http://subguns.biggerhammer.net/sword.cgi?read=219173 rssc
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 7:10:31 PM EDT
For those of you without RealPlayer, or who don't want to bother watching the NRA clip, I put up a transcript of the clip on my blog [url=smallestminority.blogspot.com]The Smallest Minority[/url].
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 7:47:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/17/2003 7:48:41 PM EDT by tac45]
OK here is my letter to Ken Jenne.(Anybody else think thats a really gay name) Anything I should add/omit/rewrite, I'm not a great letter writer but i'm trying. There is alot of things I really want to say but SWAT raids on my house at 3AM kind of annoy me. Dear sheriff Jenne, I have recently viewed an interview of you done by CNN concerning the expiration of the unconstitutional 1994 assault weapons ban. I am deeply concerned by the amount of falsehoods and fallacies coming from a man in such an esteemed position. You sir should be ashamed of yourself. You bring dishonor to an honorable profession such as law enforcement. I have always thought that law enforcement officers have the trait of honesty, but you have prooved me wrong. I implore you in the future to thoroughly research a subject and be as honest as possible before making a fool of yourself on national TV. (your opinions please.)
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 8:32:42 PM EDT
If someone has a way to host it I converted the RM file into Avi so that people without real player can see it.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 9:33:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By KBaker: For those of you without RealPlayer, or who don't want to bother watching the NRA clip, I put up a transcript of the clip on my blog [url=smallestminority.blogspot.com]The Smallest Minority[/url].
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Kevin, the NRA host is named Ginny Simone, last name pronounced Si-mon-ee She speaks her name very fast at the beginning of the segment, but it is easy to miss.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 9:47:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By fn_hipower: If someone has a way to host it I converted the RM file into Avi so that people without real player can see it.
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FN, how large is the AVI file? And how did you convert it?
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 10:02:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By California_Kid: I wouldn't be too quick to condemn Sheriff Jenne for his role in this. From his perspective he may have just been demonstrating the selective-fire AK to show how cool it was. He may not have known that the context would be twisted around to make it appear that the expiration of the AWB would allow machine guns to be sold without restrictions. CNN has to take the blame for how the piece was edited and the context in which it was broadcast.
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Ken Jenne is my County Sheriif. He is the MOST ANTI GUN fuckstick you can imagine. He deliberately misrepresented a select fire AK 47 as on of the 19 weapons banned by the 94 AW Ban. He pulled the same stunt a few years ago when he tried to get a AW Ban in Florida that was nearly identical to the one in Kalifornia. He knew exactly what he was doing.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 10:09:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ckapsl:
Originally Posted By KBaker: For those of you without RealPlayer, or who don't want to bother watching the NRA clip, I put up a transcript of the clip on my blog [url=smallestminority.blogspot.com]The Smallest Minority[/url].
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Kevin, the NRA host is named Ginny Simone, last name pronounced Si-mon-ee She speaks her name very fast at the beginning of the segment, but it is easy to miss.
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Thanks. I'll update it.
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 10:20:28 PM EDT
Hmmm, During the second airing of that they changed it, or redid the test or something, because they did show the Saiga hitting the cinder blocks this time, they just didn't fire as many shots at it's half doing less damage obviously. That first report was just plain screwy, the deputy must have been shooting at the vest during those shots or something, surely he couldn't miss the whole wall???
Link Posted: 5/17/2003 11:06:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AR-15Fan: Hmmm, During the second airing of that they changed it, or redid the test or something, because they did show the Saiga hitting the cinder blocks this time, they just didn't fire as many shots at it's half doing less damage obviously. That first report was just plain screwy, the deputy must have been shooting at the vest during those shots or something, surely he couldn't miss the whole wall???
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He was shooting at something, but clearly not at the cinder block wall. Nevertheless, it was shown to the viewers as how less powerful the post-ban guns were.
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