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Posted: 5/14/2003 4:50:16 PM EDT
I carried a SAW for 2 years. My experience is: 1 Heavy 2 Carring your own extra barrell and amo sucked 3 Bipod was weak and would often break 4 If you oiled the bolt carrier then it would smoke and irritate your eyes when fired 5 If you oiled to lightly it would jam 6 The 30 round GI mag option made it more of a single shot Now I actually loved the weapon. Didn't have to many malfunctions and such. How ever many give it a really poor performance rateing. Also I know an armorer that says all his problems come from 249s that are worn out. On CNN I never saw a SAW that was not jaming. So is the SAW a POS and time for an upgraded model or is it time to replace it with some thing new? I think that the shrike would be an interesting replacement system. What type of weapon would you sugest?
Link Posted: 5/14/2003 5:10:47 PM EDT
SAWs. Kick. Ass.
Link Posted: 5/14/2003 6:06:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/14/2003 6:07:44 PM EDT by Andreuha]
CIS Ultimax 100 From Singapore, takes only M16-type magazines. Is developed with 100-round drums. http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg20-e.htm HK21E If 7.62 isnt your fancy then theres the HK23 in 5.56 Or the good ole' reliable RPK74, All the reliablility of an AK47 (Pour dirt in and it will shoot- also operates under water without problems), in a reinforced light-machinegun design. Use with 100round drums for best results. (Note: I understand that using a Russian-designed weapon is precived as very anti-american, but M249 comes from belgium. Cold war is over). Of all, I would prefer the HK23E most.
Link Posted: 5/14/2003 6:20:46 PM EDT
in my experience the SAW earned its bad reputation from training exercises. it is HORRIBLE with blanks. and trying to run blanks from an M16 magazine and you might as well run around with a stick yelling "BANG BANG BANG" now a clean SAW, liberally oiled with live ammo and you got yourself a party!!!
Link Posted: 5/14/2003 6:22:22 PM EDT
The SAW I carried was born 3 years after me, and I am 23. I have no clue how a new SAW would perform, but the SAW's in my unit were about as reliable as Tim Couch.
Link Posted: 5/14/2003 6:27:05 PM EDT
I also carried the SAW in the Army I know what you mean about the oil, it is a PITA! I Also agree that is a little heavy for just 5.56. I never had any jams, but then again, I never used it in harsh conditions also.
Link Posted: 5/14/2003 10:51:02 PM EDT
I did see a SAW jam during live coverage in Iraq... had to wonder about that.
Link Posted: 5/15/2003 12:22:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Lightfighter: SAWs. Kick. Ass.
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Exactly, quit bitching Saw is tough.
Link Posted: 5/15/2003 12:36:08 AM EDT
got to use one repeatedly in the Marine Arty, enjoyed it. Never broke anything, regular maintenance seemed enough, and the 30rd mag was always referred to as an 'emergency' option, so never was concerned with its performance. That said, improvements / upgrades are always welcome.
Link Posted: 5/15/2003 12:54:14 AM EDT
I think the SAW was a good weapon overall. I was in weapons squad so usually we had m60's or on vehicles had the .50 or MK19. But when I did use the SAW I thought it was pretty good, but think they should have stuck to 7.62.
Link Posted: 5/15/2003 10:11:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/15/2003 10:20:19 AM EDT by ArmdLbrl]
IMI Negev. Its the IDFs "debugged" M249. Lighter, runs without being liberally oiled. Lower reciever and bolt redesigned so that the magazine feeds from straight below so its now reliable with M16 mags-enough so that when doing CQB they often choose to switch to a magazine. Esp when using the short barrel. [url]http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/lmg/negev/variants.htm[/url]
Link Posted: 5/15/2003 11:51:15 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/15/2003 2:25:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl: IMI Negev. Its the IDFs "debugged" M249. Lighter, runs without being liberally oiled. Lower reciever and bolt redesigned so that the magazine feeds from straight below so its now reliable with M16 mags-enough so that when doing CQB they often choose to switch to a magazine. Esp when using the short barrel. [url]http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/lmg/negev/variants.htm[/url]
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Thats a cool weapon.
Link Posted: 5/15/2003 2:46:11 PM EDT
SAWs dont jam at knob creek because they are low milage collector guns. most of the SAWs in service are worn out and ready for the band saw.
Link Posted: 5/15/2003 2:55:03 PM EDT
Adopt the Negev design, call it M249A1. Supposedly they are close enough to each other, if the barrels will interchange, we wouldn't need much else, since belts and mags are the same. Tukka might know more about how close a Minimi and a Negev are to each other.
Link Posted: 5/15/2003 5:39:46 PM EDT
If you guys think the M249 is heavy try carrying the M240 MAG for awhile and you'll think the SAW is made of feathers. The mag issue with the SAW is due to cyclic rate. It simply cannnot feed the weapon fast enough especially on the high cyclic rate. And virtually any complaint about the M249 is true of any other support weapon.
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