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Posted: 5/9/2003 2:58:49 PM EDT
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Over an HOUR he was shooting?
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Posted: 5/9/2003 3:10:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: Over an HOUR he was shooting? I have fired over 500 rounds in a hour, aimed, including refilling mags. And it seemed rather slow. So how much ammo was this guy carrying? Or do they mean that it was a hour from the first shot to the last? Yet another police department caught without a active shooter drill... |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 3:13:56 PM EDT
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Police said the man was believed to be wielding a high-powered rifle. [url=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,86489,00.html]^FoxNews[/url] "High-powered rifle". Michael Moore, a security guard on campus, said "He had a machine gun." [url=http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Midwest/05/09/university.gunfire/index.html]^CNN[/url] "Machine Gun". I had to throw this choice quote in the mix. Listen to this little man: Dick Bennett, the executive director of development at the Weatherhead School of Management, said he felt "violated" by the shooter for ruining what had been another good academic year. He felt "violated" folks... |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 3:18:43 PM EDT
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500 rounds, and only two hit? Something is wrong there.
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Posted: 5/9/2003 3:19:33 PM EDT
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I feel violated too.
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Posted: 5/9/2003 3:25:49 PM EDT
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He felt "violated" folks... Then he should of armed himself. And he really needs to be drug down to the nearest Rape Crisis Center and forced to spend the night so he understands what the word means. |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 3:30:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: Over an HOUR he was shooting? Sure, it's one of those full auto, pump action, tubular fed insult weapons...they shoot for hours on end. [;)] That's just down the road from me...just out of range. They have a kick butt radio station, A P McGee and Stella on wednesdays tell you what really goes on in the world, as they see it. WRUW.org is the schools website. I hope the problem is remedied soon and nobody else is hurt. |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 3:30:37 PM EDT
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Here’s what I hate about this whole thing.
Lone gunman enters school and starts shooting people and the police are called. The police will block off all escape routes to make sure he can’t get away and then stand back and wait for him to? A) Run out of targets B) Run out of ammo C) He shoots himself Then they will wait until everyone who is shot bleeds out. Or if they are lucky one of the wounded victims will stagger out and let them know the bad guy has already killed himself and that it’s safe for them to go in and see what he did in which case they will still be so over careful and slow that all the victims will still bleed out. The overriding rule is that all officers must go home safe. THISISME |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 3:31:33 PM EDT
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FUCK.
I'm really starting to think liberals are behind these incidents because all damned shootings occur in some kind of school! WTF man, WTF is wrong with this generation. |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 3:41:50 PM EDT
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I just got home. WTF!! One of those 500rnds have better made its way to his brain.
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Posted: 5/9/2003 3:42:14 PM EDT
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Any guesses on the gun, besides 'TEC-9'???
I'm gonna toss mine in... It's a MAC. Probably in .380 or 9mm... |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 3:45:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: This validates president bush's common sense and reasonable promise that the assault weapon ban should be made permanent. It also helps strengthen attorney general ashcroft's brave position that there should be restrictions on the possession of weapons particularly suited to criminal misuse. I applaud the administration's brilliant campaign strategy of standing up against the weapons of mass destruction owning members of the nra and protecting us from those who hate this great democracy. It's good to see the old imbro back, in fine form! |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 3:46:23 PM EDT
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Let's see if this guy is on Prozac or something similar. Would fit the profile.
Oh, yeah. Some coincidence. Y'all can expect a steady stream of these incidents leading to a crescendo at the vote on the AWB renewan. Just like clockwork. |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 3:48:45 PM EDT
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Quoted: Let's see if this guy is on Prozac or something similar. Would fit the profile. Oh, yeah. Some coincidence. Y'all can expect a steady stream of these incidents leading to a crescendo at the vote on the AWB renewan. Just like clockwork. yup call it tinfoil hat, but i'm 100% convinced that there are evil forces at work producing these sort of events on que |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 3:49:06 PM EDT
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Well, this sucks. It's amazing how much crap the local media has been spewing about "machine guns" and all that kind of stuff. Scary enough that my co-workers are starting to believe it. Apparently campus security was running around like chickens with their heads cut off and they've got University Circle Police posted around the hospital and campus buildings. Luckily us graduate students care more about our research than what's going on across the street...
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Posted: 5/9/2003 3:52:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: that has got to be the ugliest damn building i have ever seen. Yup, wholeheartedly agree on that one. They had to block off the area around the building over the winter because the melting snow would come flying off the sloped roof in chunks hitting unsuspecting people below. Yeah, great planning .... [rolleyes] |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 3:56:27 PM EDT
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Quoted: Here’s what I hate about this whole thing. Lone gunman enters school and starts shooting people and the police are called. The police will block off all escape routes to make sure he can’t get away and then stand back and wait for him to? A) Run out of targets B) Run out of ammo C) He shoots himself Then they will wait until everyone who is shot bleeds out. Or if they are lucky one of the wounded victims will stagger out and let them know the bad guy has already killed himself and that it’s safe for them to go in and see what he did in which case they will still be so over careful and slow that all the victims will still bleed out. The overriding rule is that all officers must go home safe. THISISME WTF are you talking about? Officers (except for apparently this department) are now expected to immediately enter, proceed to the sound of the firing, and eliminate the shooter. It is the job of the first 4 officers to arrive to form up into a team, don their raid vests and helmets and long arms and then enter. Without waiting for more back up, they are to proceed to the firing without stopping for wounded or to escort people out. Its called the Active Shooter Drill. But its also so agressive that some department heads are shocked by it, it doesn't agree with their views of "kinder gentler" law enforcement-even though it is the only thing that works. |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 3:56:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: I really, REALLY would like for the tinfoil crowd to explain exactly how this is a big conspiracy. Are you seriously making the argument that there's some secret cabal that recruits people and convinces them to go out and commit mass murder to further a political agenda. Please provide SOME evidence other than rampant paranoia. Anyone? LOL! Come into the light! [img]http://www.tulane.edu/~MECCA/images/kaabah.jpg[/img] Edit: Sorry, thought you meant kabah. |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 3:58:38 PM EDT
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Quoted: Let's see if this guy is on Prozac or something similar. Would fit the profile. Oh, yeah. Some coincidence. Y'all can expect a steady stream of these incidents leading to a crescendo at the vote on the AWB renewan. Just like clockwork. er, raf, is that you? [:D] I'll tell ya though, some of those morons can't do anything right! This guy was supposed to go off the day BEFORE Fienstien introduced the bill, NOT the day after! [;D] |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 4:03:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Let's see if this guy is on Prozac or something similar. Would fit the profile. Oh, yeah. Some coincidence. Y'all can expect a steady stream of these incidents leading to a crescendo at the vote on the AWB renewan. Just like clockwork. er, raf, is that you? [:D] I'll tell ya though, some of those morons can't do anything right! This guy was supposed to go off the day BEFORE Fienstien introduced the bill, NOT the day after! [;D] Messed up his meds. Another classic piece of the profile. |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 4:05:19 PM EDT
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You guys need to read my first post on page one. None of the big 3 news media channels are even covering it now, they are on to Bush's plan for mideast peace and the stock market report. Thank heavens it was a minority shooter, I don't think we have much to worry about from the media at all, except for the usual crap they spew on a daily basis anyway.
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Posted: 5/9/2003 4:10:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: The news reports seem more interested in describing the architecture of the building than what happened![whacko] If it was a subgun then that is an arguement for their legalization. I mean if "shots and shots and shots..." are fired and nobody is killed (yet anyway) then they are alot safer than a single shot bolt action. We'll see what they come up with here shortly. Stay tuned.... $62 million Peter B. Lewis Building opened in the fall and was designed by [red]Frank Gehry[/red], the internationally renowned architect who also created the titanium-covered Guggenheim museum in Bilbao, Spain. Frank Lloyd Wright wannabe. Edit: Nice building just saw it on the top story on the local newZ. |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 4:17:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: Here’s what I hate about this whole thing. Lone gunman enters school and starts shooting people and the police are called. The police will block off all escape routes to make sure he can’t get away and then stand back and wait for him to? A) Run out of targets B) Run out of ammo C) He shoots himself Then they will wait until everyone who is shot bleeds out. Or if they are lucky one of the wounded victims will stagger out and let them know the bad guy has already killed himself and that it’s safe for them to go in and see what he did in which case they will still be so over careful and slow that all the victims will still bleed out. The overriding rule is that all officers must go home safe. THISISME [rolleyes] No, what is true, and get's repeated on this site over end over again, is the public really doesn't want the police to kill, or injure anyone. The governement provides services based on the input of "The People". Unfortunately "The People" often get what they demand, whether or not the understand what they were demanding. |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 4:19:33 PM EDT
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They're bringing in the puppies.
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Posted: 5/9/2003 4:42:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Let's see if this guy is on Prozac or something similar. Would fit the profile. Oh, yeah. Some coincidence. Y'all can expect a steady stream of these incidents leading to a crescendo at the vote on the AWB renewan. Just like clockwork. er, raf, is that you? [:D] I'll tell ya though, some of those morons can't do anything right! This guy was supposed to go off the day BEFORE Fienstien introduced the bill, NOT the day after! [;D] Messed up his meds. Another classic piece of the profile. [ROFL2] Congratulations on the promotion to Staff, BTW!! |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 4:43:23 PM EDT
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If anybody wants to watch a live local newsfeed:
[url]http://www.cleveland.com/wkyc/wkyc_clip.ssf?ZZDoNotCount?/wkyc/live-emg_wkyc.frame[/url] |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 4:49:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: You guys need to read my first post on page one. None of the big 3 news media channels are even covering it now, they are on to Bush's plan for mideast peace and the stock market report. Thank heavens it was a minority shooter, I don't think we have much to worry about from the media at all, except for the usual crap they spew on a daily basis anyway. This is called the "Moose-ification", of sociaty, Duke...[:D] |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 4:52:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: "It's believed someone has barricaded himself with a [red]semiautomatic machine gun[/red] inside the building" WTF is that? A VPC special?? Well to be fair in NC for many years any SEMI AUTOMATIC that could fire 31 or more shots was a machine gun! No joke. CRC Now for the joke: It still is in Ohio, folks. Ohio Revised Code defines any semi-auto that holds over 30 rounds a machine gun. Really and truly. I'm hoping it's a lever action 30/30 and he only fired 50 rounds; the rest to be hype. |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 5:07:49 PM EDT
[#29]
I hope it is a H&R handi-rifle. Single shot 30.30 or so.
I am betting on an SKS or AK type however, cheap, not very powerful but still gives that semi-auto thrill to the hOmEbOy behind the trigger. I really hope some armed student pops a cap in his ass with his legally carried concealed handgun. |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 5:13:21 PM EDT
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I just saw pictures of the FBI SWAT team on Fox News. They had MP-5s and a few M-4 carbines.
Why aren't they storming that place??? Surely the cops are not "outgunned"? ??? CRC |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 5:14:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: I really hope some armed student pops a cap in his ass with his legally carried concealed handgun. We don't have those in Ohio. [:(] Scott |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 5:17:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: 500 rounds, and only two hit? Something is wrong there. Perhaps he is ex airforce? |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 5:17:45 PM EDT
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MSNBC now reporting two confirmed dead, one of whom may be the gunman.
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Posted: 5/9/2003 5:25:02 PM EDT
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Fox reporting 1 dead, 4 injured. SWAT sweeping the building.
CRC |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 5:30:19 PM EDT
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I heard he had a .50 cal with 10,000 rounds!
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Posted: 5/9/2003 5:43:04 PM EDT
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And all of you in MD think I am nuts for carrying!
I wont let this shit happen to me! |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 6:08:46 PM EDT
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[:(!] |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 6:18:06 PM EDT
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I did notice that all the FBI tac guys that had M4s, had an Eotech mounted on them. At least they made a good choice on sights.[:)]
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Posted: 5/9/2003 7:02:05 PM EDT
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So what happened, anyone know?? Weapon? Casualties? Is it over?
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Posted: 5/9/2003 7:02:37 PM EDT
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So is the verdict in yet boss?
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Posted: 5/9/2003 7:02:59 PM EDT
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Local News only confirms one dead.
Witnesses report a total of 11 shots; 8 in the beginning, 3 at about 2040. SWAT is sweeping room by room. When the stupid ugly building was built, they were so proud of how crazy it was and that there are NO 90 degree angles in the place... That ought to make it interesting for the SWAT team. 60 people still inside, but "rescued" to a safe room guarded by more SWAT. Mayor Jane Campbell gave a new brief. She looked worried and less than confident. CWRU President Hundert looked like Corky, the retarded kid on that TV show, and not missing the chance to put her dragon-like visage before the camera, congress"person" Stephany Tubbs-Jones appeared. She is rabidly anti-gun. That's all I know fer now... Scott |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 7:14:03 PM EDT
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What was that NAACP/Gunmaker lawsuit about again?
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Posted: 5/9/2003 7:19:55 PM EDT
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Quoted: I heard he had a .50 cal with 10,000 rounds! No sir, it was a black-hued rifle with a bayonet lug and a flash hider. There is some concern that he may have fixed a bayonet on it. [rolleyes] |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 7:57:14 PM EDT
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Well, the Chief of Police (of Cleveland City, I think) just held a quick news conference and said that the suspect was armed with two weapons, one being "like a Tec-9, 9mm" and wearing a bulletproof vest and some type of army helmet.
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Posted: 5/9/2003 8:04:46 PM EDT
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Guy was older, wearing a wig, bulletproof vest, and an old army helmet...
In custody, taken alive. More details tomorrow says the Cleveland Chief. He would not confirm nor deny additional deaths. And Mayor Jane Campbell comforted all her constituents with these words: "Nothing is Sacred, nothing is secure." Makes ya feel good, donit? Scott |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 8:05:41 PM EDT
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So who was the SWAT team anyway? Local or FBI? I saw some guys with Mp5s and FBI in white on their backs lookin' pretty mall ninja, but were they HRT or what?
And why the hell did they let the guy live? Sigh... |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 8:06:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: Well, the Chief of Police (of Cleveland City, I think) just held a quick news conference and said that the suspect was armed with two weapons, one being "like a Tec-9, 9mm" and wearing a bulletproof vest and some type of army helmet. If politicians didn't wear so-called bulletproof vests, they would've been banned by now. CRC |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 8:18:24 PM EDT
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SWAT was from Cleveland PD, Couty Sherrif, Euclid PD, and FBI....
Scott |
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Posted: 5/9/2003 8:34:33 PM EDT
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This proves the people in Ohio need a good CCW law. All this standoff and perhaps some innocent deaths could have been prevented and I'm one of the people exempted from the current law.
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Posted: 5/9/2003 9:29:45 PM EDT
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Quoted: This proves the people in Ohio need a good CCW law. All this standoff and perhaps some innocent deaths could have been prevented and I'm one of the people exempted from the current law. Wouldn't have matter - university policies woudl have prohibitet guns on campus, so you would still have to break the law to carry in this stituation. |
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