You'd better start! In North Hollywood the only ones killed were the guys with the illegall machine guns - no cops. In Stockton the felon bought a semi-automatic firearm after clearing his record check. A Columbine the drugies used semi-automatic rifles again.

Facts suck.

And a $.49 lighter will start a million dollar fire. An erection is a rape waiting to happen, a camera child porno - are you trying to regulate behavior? Bare fists and hands are still kill several times more people each year than assualt rifles - ready to ban fingers and thumbs?

How many AK's have you ever seen converted? Ever buy the books and do the research on just how difficult it is? I don't onn any AK's but know that it would take a CNC machine or a damn good machinest to do the conversion on an AR - plus the felony charge costs.

The supreme law of the land doesn’t change with the will of the President, the Congress, the media or even the people. The law, as stated in The Bill of Rights of these United States of America, clearly states that the “…the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” As scary as an AR-15 might be to you, you have no legal right to take one from my hands or any other law-abiding citizen. The law protects our rights equally and honestly can’t be changed from day-to-day to fit the politically correct feelings of the mood of those in charge.

There is a proper way to change the Untied States Constitution and that is by Amendment not by administrative rulings and regulations. Moral people have a duty to disobey immoral laws. Was Rosa Parks committing a crime when she refused to sit in the back of a public bus or were the people who wrote the immoral law committing the bigger crime?

Our Constitution has been amended many times for very good reasons throughout American history. Never before have the rights of the people been so usurped by our government. These are busy times and this is a complex issue, important issues like these take careful thought and study. To me it comes down to point that how can I trust, and continue to serve a government that doesn’t trust me to own the method to protect my family and myself?

Don’t be so confused with the emotions of the issue to think that gun control is crime control. Child pornography, drunk driving and arson are all terrible crimes but do you hear the government calling for bans on digital and instant cameras, cars or cigarette lighters and matches? It’s the misuse of the camera, car, and lighter that we control. We all agree to punish the user of these items for the misuse rather than controlling the ownership of them. Why are firearms any different? Because they scare urban social liberals who have never had an enjoyable experience with a firearm. One of my fondest childhood memories is going to Boy Scout camp and plinking (informal target shooting) with a .22 LR bolt action rifle.

The founding fathers of this country put EACH amendment in the Bill of Rights in place with good, sound reasons. You don't know those reasons because you've never bothered to read the historical documents that discuss the intention behind the amendments, and most specifically the second amendment. You -- like so many other lost souls -- get your information from a government that seeks to enslave you, and you also get your information from a bunch of complicit, dark-hearted "leaders" in the Societal Downslide Parade -- people who thirst for power and place laws upon people to which they themselves are oftentimes immune.

--- Angel Shamaya

It seems that every time something bizarre happens to anyone in our society that liberals and their willing politicians feel the need to do something about it. Let me alter that, whenever something bizarre happens that involves a firearm the liberals feel the need to do something.

Last summer a Russian immigrant stabbed his pregnant wife, his in-laws, and his children to death with a knife. Where was the hue and cry to limit the size of knifes, call for a waiting period, or to close the swap meet loophole? Surely if the obviously crazy man used a firearm to commit his heinous crime Californian politicians would be searching for another law to pass that restricts only the honest citizens, makes the ignorant unarmed feel better and does nothing to address the root of the problem.

How many children drown this year in backyard swimming pools or were bitten by sharks this summer? Yet swimming pools continue to enjoy public favor and the beaches remain crowded. Too many people have grown up without healthy exposure to the shooting sports to know anything other that what Hollywood shows them on the latest movie to separate them from their money and reality.

The fact is that people kill people and that a gun is sometimes the tool that the criminal uses to commit his crime. Most crime in America can be ultimately traced to the drug culture whether protecting their illegal goods or fighting over the right to sell the highly profitable drugs on their turf it’s drugs that fill the cities morgues. If you’re not involved with drugs and you’re not living in a neighborhood that embraces them you a several times better chance of not being a victim.

We’ve passed twenty thousand laws controlling firearms in America by some counts. We’ve also passed laws against killing, rape, burglary, and narcotics abuse yet it would seem that they all continue in our society. What is needed isn’t more laws but more jails and jail time. When the laws against abusing drugs or guns are not enforced then society will continue to suffer from the blight that these inanimate objects in the hands of criminals bring to our otherwise polite society.

I am a bright, intelligent, well-read, and educated man. I have yet to see but a handful of the thousands of gun laws that make one bit of sense. The politicians in California and in power in many states of this once great Republic play upon the emotions of their ignorant foolish followers. They believe that just one more law against this color or style of firearm will cause the murder to stop. How foolish this truly is. Firearms in the hands of honest law-abiding citizens deter crime far better than a police officer coming to the scene of an act of violence hours afterwards.

Take personal responsibility for your safety and the safety of your loved ones. Upon hearing a felon breaking into my home I will call 911 but I will also arm myself and take the responsibility of defending mine. Citizens of this country still have the right to chose not to be a victim but liberals are fighting tooth and nail to remove that right. They are more concerned that I will do harm to them than the career criminal with a dozen convictions on their record. They’ve focused on the wrong target which will cause them to fail time and time again. This leads them to believe that if they just pass the right combination of laws they’ll somehow be safe in the society that they’ve taken the morals, justice, and responsibility out of though both the teachings of schools and the rulings of the courts.

From an American’s First Freedom article: [i]“Strap an electric collar onto a dog. Shock him when he doesn’t obey, then shock him again when he does obey. If you teach him that the rules are ever-changing and that punishment comes without cause, you’ll get one of two outcomes: Either he’ll surrender to punishment as the inescapable outcome, with downturned head and withers trembling – or he’ll rebel against that authority, hackles raises and snarling and disobey every rule.”[/i]

The state of California has been for more than ten years constantly changing the rules obviously in outright violation of the Constitution’s Bill of Right’s Second Amendment which clearly prohibits States from infringing on the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Those rights in the US Constitution are reserved for the federal government; those not enunciated are free for the states to populate. If the state of California passed a law that suddenly allowed the US Army to quarter it’s troops in your home this would be declared un-Constitutional and overthrown by the US Supreme Court. Yet in California handguns are banned because they are too small, not expensive enough, or have their magazine in the politically incorrect position. Purchases of handguns are rationed to one per month. Rifles are banned by looks, use of detachable magazines, pistol grips, muzzle devices and a dozen other bizarre and seemingly random characteristics. Even toy guns are now regulated by color. The US Supreme Court will step in and overturn these Constitutional violations sooner or later, I just hope it occurs before firearms owners have their forearms tattooed.

I have been shooting and collecting various firearms for many years and at the same time have been studying the recent movement to prohibit law-abiding citizens from ownership of them. The politicians who press though each knee-jerk restriction to the latest workplace or schoolyard shooting know perfectly well that the additional regulation will have no effect on the criminal behavior. What bigger taboo is there in today’s society than the taking of another’s life? Very few indeed. So they are trying to legislate a behavior to someone who has already decided to murder one or more humans. Do you honestly think that the killer is going to be slowed down for one second by a regulation prohibiting the use of a rifle with a pistol grip that protrudes below the trigger? It has been long said that you cannot legislate morality yet this is exactly what the liberals are attempting to do.

Firearms in the hands of law-abiding citizens are a clear deterrent against crime. When criminals are polled in prison they state that residents with firearms are a bigger crime deterrent than the police. Also according to statistics, police shoot the wrong person more often than the common citizen with a firearm. If you haven’t sat down and figured it out yet the police respond to crime rather than actively prevent crime. They will come to your home after the murder, rape or robbery to attempt to find the criminal afterwards. I don’t plan on waiting to be murdered, have my wife raped or get robbed too many times without taking my own protection into my own hands. And that’s what the politicians want to prevent. When three large men are beating at your door threatening to do harm to your family would you rather have a telephone or a rifle in your hand? A murder takes place in seconds, police response time in measured in tens of minutes. Certainly call the police but until they arrive your protection is in your hands.

The same politicians that pass laws that make it impossible to legally carry a concealed weapon have their own tax dollar paid for armed security guards and sleep in a state guarded mansion with a comprehensive security system. What makes them think for one tiny slice of a single second that their life is anymore valuable that mine or yours? They may think that their elected office makes them special but the laws apply to them as well, or does it? Have they made themselves a secret handshake society above us lowly subjects? Why are they taking the proven best tool for our own protection away from us?

Remember that the armed criminal is bothered less with getting arrested killing, raping or in an armed robbery then running into an armed victim. Then why are politicians so busy making us into victims? This bothered me for years and years, what was the motive? Not being of the victim mindset I found it nearly impossible to think like one. Until just recently I couldn’t find insight into the thinking of the liberal right-restricting politicians. Until I looked at what makes politicians into politicians: the use of other people’s money and the power it brings them. By catering to the “sheep”, those citizens who choose to be victims, the politicians gain their votes and with it the power to tax and take our life energy for their own use. Those ”sheep” have an irrational rage against those who choose not to be victims.

The “sheep” feel that they are too weak to survive without assistance from an all-knowing, all-powerful central government. They raise the professional politician to the level of a flawless king who can do no harm – look at what former President Clinton got away with as an example of a man that is worshiped by the “sheep”. Clinton was a man with hypocrisy seemingly without limit. The “sheep” raise their chosen leader to a God-like status and worship him or her asking them for protection, prosperity and wisdom to solve their mere human problems. Sorry, if you haven’t noticed the Savior hasn’t made himself visible to us yet and I doubt that he’ll choose to do it as a womanizing lying politician when he does.

The “sheep” need to wake up and take responsibility for their own lives. They need to make their own decisions and live with the self-esteem that comes from making success from standing up on their own two feet rather than supported and coddled from the cradle to the grave. I am afraid that the independent spirit that gave our forefathers the strength to throw off the burden of the King of England is gone. Rather they actually seek the comfort of an all giving government. Those people in this republic of states that want a strong central federal government are in the majority. The “sheep” are actively are seeking to overthrow our Constitutional form of government by centralizing all power into the Administrative branch and therefore removing the effective system of checks and balances that had been the law as set down in the US Constitution and it’s Bill of Rights. Key to seizing this power is the disarming of the population as a whole. Our Founding Fathers knew of the danger of a strong central government and gave us citizens the means to equalize the equation. Look at their writings yourself if you doubt me.

Removing firearms using the “death by a hundred cuts method” will allow the central federal government to seize unlimited power. For a people without the means to protect themselves both from the government and from each other will have to seek protection from those with the means. Unarmed people are always the victims. It’s has happened time and time in this world where a powerful government as killed off some portion of it’s unarmed population. Rather than a power that is derived from the consent of the governed we will have to trust that the absolute power given to the government’s Administrative branch will not corrupt absolutely. I am not a very trusting person and refuse to surrender my responsibilities for any reason, let alone an un-Constitutional law to an out-of-control State government. Words mean something and despite the best efforts of some the meaning of the words “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed” has not changed.  These old words still mean that we, as law-abiding citizens, have a God given right and responsibility to own firearms – firearms with detachable magazines, pistol grips, bayonet lugs and flash suppressors. I am one dog who is rebelling against the authority and will continue to snarl and keep my hackle raised. My spirit will not be soon broken.

I see where your problem is coming from. Over 25 years of shooting with hundreds of different shooters and possibly a thousand weapons I have never seen an ilegally converted weapon. You know felons well enough that they're willing to make the knowledge of their felonies to you - and that you will not turn them in. You keep strange bedfellows indeed.

The point is that you can not legistate moral behavior. There are some pretty clear laws against killing yet hundreds of people still continue to kill others every year. Evil people do evil things. If Saint Peter were to blow his silver horn and make every gun powdered weapon disappear from the surface of the earth - black powder to 16" naval gun - I'm willing to bet my life that within a day Los Angeles drug gangs will have recorded the first drive by spear chucking.

Are you the only one here from DU that can't see this?

I will agree that liberal idiots with no knowlege of law, history, or criminal facts will continue to pass stupid feel-good do-nothing laws. I do not agree that full-auto weapons are a prime target as the 1934 act is 100% effective - save one cop's murder. More people are hit by lighting than killed with full-auto weapons in the United States. More people are eaten by lions every year.

Thank God that Patrick Prudy (the idiot in Stockton) didn't drive his car though the school yard. IIRC he fired close to 90 rounds and hit like 20 kids ...

I don't know how often you practice with full auto weapons but I can keep my shots on a human sillouette using a military M-16 well enough to qualify cold.

Anyone know if the civilians at Waco had full-autos?

I'd rather face you with a full-auto weapon than myself with a semi-auto. The weapon doesn't make the shooter, the weapon doesn't make the killer - the mind does.

What other irrational fears do you have?

Why do you avoid the facts of your fear?

Does your mommy know that you're up so late on a school night?

This is America NEED is never an issue here.  Because we want to is all that really matters so long as we are not harming others in the process.

Quote Chuckie would explain why you were coming off childish!

Facts vs. feelings. Knowledge against emotion.

CJ FOR PRESIDENT!!!

OK, OK, Paul for President.