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Posted: 5/4/2003 9:15:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/4/2003 9:22:12 PM EDT by Sniper_408]
Yes in some states it's manditory that when stopped by an officer for a traffic violation you have to declare your ccw, for those of you (like me) who live in a state where it's optional to declare your ccw would you? Why? Why not? Mind you that in some states where it's optional it sometimes comes up in their terminals that you are a ccw, I'm just wondering if you would or would not. [Edited to add poll]
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 9:23:29 PM EDT
Much safer top let them know so they don't see a pistol sticking out & pull their gun. I don't need that kinda hassle.
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 9:25:51 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 9:26:02 PM EDT
The cop that taught my AZ. CCW class made no bones about it. There's no requirement to do so in AZ... don't do it. This guy is a retired Marine, Detective, SWAT member and armorer for the SWAT team. He’s been around the block and few times and said flat out that a lot of the newer cops get freaked about citizens packing and therefore NOT to advise. The cops that have been around for awhile don’t see it as being any big deal. The exception to that is if they ask you to exit the vehicle. Then he recommended advising so there would be no misunderstandings. Of course, as you pointed out, if the state you’re in requires it then you need to do so.
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 9:27:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sumo2000: Much safer top let them know so they don't see a pistol sticking out & pull their gun. I don't need that kinda hassle.
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Notification of ccw in TN is optional I take it?
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 9:46:16 PM EDT
In Texas it is mandatory only if you are carrying. I will ask the officer if he would like to see it if I am not carrying. He will find out about it when he/she runs you license anyway, better he/she gets that info from me first. First rule of a traffic stop, KEEP THE OFFICER CALM AND RELAXED! SSD
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 9:46:37 PM EDT
Mandatory here in Utah.
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 9:47:40 PM EDT
Mandatory here in Oklahoma.
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 9:49:04 PM EDT
When I get pulled over I have one thing on my mind, getting out of the ticket. I am going to do everything possible to get out of that ticket. Informing the officer that I am packing helps. I know if the cop finds out that I am packing through other means, I am getting a ticket. I have been pulled over at least 15 times and I have gotten 3 tickets. Since I moved to AZ and been able to pack/have a gun in the car I have been pulled over twice. Neither of those incidents resulted in a ticket
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 9:59:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sumo2000: Much safer top let them know so they don't see a pistol sticking out & pull their gun. I don't need that kinda hassle.
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The whole point of concealed and carry is [b]concealed[/b] carry. If your pistol is showing then you're not carrying concealed and thus in volation of the law (unless your state supports open carry).
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 10:07:16 PM EDT
I wouldn't know, Ohio doesn't trust its citizens w/ guns.
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 10:11:02 PM EDT
If you keep your wallet in your right back pocket and your gun on your strong side watch out. I would get wallet before he or she at your window and then keep both hands in plain site ie steering wheel or out window. Then just use best judgement.
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 10:11:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BigJ491: I wouldn't know, Ohio doesn't trust its citizens w/ guns.
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lol BigJ, move to VA with the rest of us then!
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 10:23:58 PM EDT
In Tennessee - the classroom taught rule is: Got pulled over, LEO leans in window & asks for License, Registration and Insurance - NO Got pulled over, LEO leans in window & asks for License, Registration and Insurance, leo goes back to his car and retuns then ASKS YOU TO STEP OUT OF THE VEHICLE - YES That's the "rule" around here.
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 10:29:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Airwolf: The cop that taught my AZ. CCW class made no bones about it. There's no requirement to do so in AZ... don't do it. This guy is a retired Marine, Detective, SWAT member and armorer for the SWAT team. He’s been around the block and few times and said flat out that a lot of the newer cops get freaked about citizens packing and therefore NOT to advise. The cops that have been around for awhile don’t see it as being any big deal. The exception to that is if they ask you to exit the vehicle. Then he recommended advising so there would be no misunderstandings. Of course, as you pointed out, if the state you’re in requires it then you need to do so.
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Arizona enters the info into NCIC, so if your are asked, make sure you say yes. And have your permit available too.
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 10:36:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/5/2003 9:19:40 PM EDT by gootmacher]
Its a good idea to tell them, i am sure i have gotten out of tickets after the cop has seen that i had a permit. it all depends on the cop though.some are cool with it and some are nuts. i got pulled over in my truck going to my freinds house and had my pistol and my AR with me. my AR was wrapped in a towel on the front seat and my pistol was on my hip. the cop came up and looked in the window and jumped back and drew his pistol, i kept my hands on the wheel and told him i had a gun permit and i had my rifle and my pistol in the truck. last thing i wanted was to get shot by some trigger happy cop, he called 2 more cars = 4 more cops and had me get out of my truck and do the whole deal at gun point. when it was over his sargent was pissed and apoligized for his officer. i was gonna sue but i figured he probably got his from the sargent, so i didnt. all he seen was the but of the AR and wouldnt listen to anything i had to say until the back up got there. there are some scary trigger happy cops out there so keeps your hands on the wheel till you know want your dealing with. i had my permit and my licence in my hand next to the window, i also was beginning to tell the cop i had guns in the truck when he freaked. i had my AR wrapped in a towel so no one would identify it and freak out, the cop just wouldnt listen to me.
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 11:18:07 PM EDT
Mandatory in TX...I don't have mine yet, though, hopefully someday...
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 11:25:48 PM EDT
My TN CCW class showed a video of different scenarios of what to do and what could happen. One was of this very situation: Lady pulled over for routine traffic stop, starts fumbling for license and registration...her pistol pops out where cop can see it, cop draws weapon on driver, makes her get out of car-on the knees/hands behind the head...she has to go thru the whole routine before she can explain she has a CCW before she is released. CCW Instructor: " This can be avoided simply by informing the officer that you are a CCW holder and there is a gun in the car, then just hand them your card with the drivers license". Cops are trained to react to guns...they do not know if you are a goodguy or a badguy. Let them know you are a goodguy and avoid the hassle.
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 11:26:00 PM EDT
It’s not really a matter of cops being trigger-happy, it’s that they’ve got a fairly dangerous job and don’t want to get killed. Guys here in the GD Forum are always joking about cops wanting to go home at the end of the day, but – incredibly – it’s true. [:O] And every once in a while one doesn’t!! While it probably varies by state - if a firearm is visible in your car, there’s a lot to be said to having your permit in your hand as the cop walks up and, if possible, declaring the permit and firearm before the firearm is seen. When cops are surprised, they tend to expect the worse!!
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 11:29:39 PM EDT
In Az only if they ask.
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 11:35:11 PM EDT
I don't have my permit yet... ...but if I do get stopped, I figure it would be a decent idea to hand my permit over with my DL and registration. I read somewhere that "routine" traffic stops are rather dangerous for police officers. No point in making anybody's life more exciting than it needs to be. Sure I don't HAVE to in this state. But why do something that might complicate matters?
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 11:37:38 PM EDT
I'm pretty sure it's not mandatory here in Alabama. If I were only being pulled over to be asked some questions or for a speeding ticket, I wouldn't say anything about my gun. However, if I am asked to get out of the car, I will certainly inform the LEO that I am carrying, where the gun is and that I have a pistol permit, all while keeping my hands on my head. The last thing I want to do is freak out a cop or get put in handcuffs. [img]photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=476[/img] [url=www.nra.org][b][red]NRA[/red][/url] [url=www.nra.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][b][red]GOA[/red] [/url] [url=www.gunowners.org][blue]Life Member[/blue][/url] [url=www.saf.org][red]SAF[/red][/url] [url=www.saf.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][red]SAS[/red][/url] [url=sas-aim.org][blue]Supporter[/blue][/b][/url]
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 3:12:07 AM EDT
As a general rule, cops don't like surprises. I'm straight-up with them and don't try to be evasive or BS them. I think some of them have a sixth sense when you're not being honest with them. [shock]
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 3:19:51 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 3:23:28 AM EDT
It is mandatory in Michigan to not only inform the officer that you have a CCW but you must also inform the officer as to whether you actually have a weapon with you.
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 3:30:11 AM EDT
Not unless told to exit my vehicle. Unless that happens, there is no reason to declare it.
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 3:33:09 AM EDT
Yes. I put my hands palm up on the top of the steering wheel too. Makes everyone comfortable and helps ensure no one gets shot.
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 3:38:28 AM EDT
First, it depends on the law in your state, some require that you inform them they you're packing heat. IF your state doesn't and it's a routine stop, then no. If your gun is in a purse or located with your registration or anywhere it might be exposed during the course of the stop or if you are asked to get out of the car, then leave both hands on the steering wheel, inform the officer that you are licensed to carry, where the gun is located and ask him how he/she would like to proceed. They may ask you to turn over your weapon, they will unload it, complete their business, return it to you unloaded and send you on your way.
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 4:01:43 AM EDT
Not only is it it mandatory in my state, but unless you did something really stupid (like DWI), or you are an a-hole, it will get you of as ticket from me, cause I figure you are one of the "good" guys who is taking responsibility for their own safety.
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 4:06:52 AM EDT
here in CT, it's not a requirement, so it's none of their business. that being said, in most cirumstances I wouldn't tell them but it would depend on the situation.
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 5:13:07 AM EDT
I believe I'm required to show mine here in GA. I got pulled by a state trooper a couple of months ago. I keep a pistol in my glovebox along with my insurance card, but I didn't have time to get it out before he got to my window. So I just handed him my CCW along with my license and told him I had a pistol in the glovebox. He asked me if I needed to get in there for my insurance card, and I told him yes. He just said, "Go ahead and get your card." and I reached in, pulled the card out slowly and handed it to him. He just told me to go ahead and close my glovebox. He didn't freak out or anything. He didn't really seem to care one way or the other. I got a ticket anyway. [:(] I guess that's really the ideal response. It shouldn't matter whether you're carrying -- jut that you were going 87 in a 65. [BD]
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 5:31:39 AM EDT
In FL it's recommended procedure, though not required. I'd always hand my CWL to and officer along with my license, registration and insurance card. This would apply in my view also to other states which recognize my FL permit. That said, any officer who "freaks", gets hysterical or in any other way wild or problematic will be reported in very strong terms to his/her state attorney general's office.
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 5:34:42 AM EDT
In North Carolina if you are involved in a traffic stop the officer already KNOWS you have a CCW permit. The NCDMV keeps a record of it and it is associated with your drivers license number so when he calls the tag in they tell him. I don't remember the details (I've had my CCW for a long time.) but in NC if you come into "contact" with an officer you are required to show him your CCW and let him know if you are carrying a weapon. I've done this many times while being pulled over at license checks etc and in every case the officer has never said anything other than "OK thanks have a nice day". The first time I got pulled and I didn't show the officer the CCW he asked me if I was carrying. I said no and asked him how he knew to ask and that's when I found out that it is on record at the DMV.
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 6:08:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/5/2003 6:09:54 AM EDT by 455SD]
Originally Posted By Jim_Dandy: Mandatory here in Oklahoma.
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Yes, and from what I've heard from others, the HP gets extremely pissed if you don't tell them. Fortunatly I've never been stopped since I got one. Crap. Now I'll get a ticket today.
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 6:19:13 AM EDT
For me, like Natez, it's pretty much a "get out of ticket" admission. The last CHL holder I arrested in was a guy in the bushes secretly videotaping little girls at the kiddie pool. He was carrying a Kahr .40 CHL does not automatically mean "Good guy", and most police are aware of that. However, with just a little "get to know" interview, they'll probably cut you a break.
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 6:31:27 AM EDT
I usually give it to them with my drivers license, for the safety of both of us. Me and my black corvette are well known to the locals, and I'm on good terms with the Local chief, and my sheriff. I've met quite a few guys like natez... Thanks natez.... No requirement to notify in Oregon, but I do it anyway.
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 8:41:07 AM EDT
I understand from speaking with a VA state trooper that I shoot with that here in Virginia, the LEOs know when they pull you over whether or not you have a concealed carry permit. When we buy our firearms here, we fill out a form that is a companion to and a virtual copy of the federal form...so the state boyz have our data in the big computer. A couple of years ago, I was popped by a very polite young trooper down on I-81 for speeding. If he knew I had a permit, he never showed it...but then he always stayed slightly behind me on the left. I realized that he might be aware and a bit cautious so I made sure I made no sudden movements and stayed in my car. As we did our business, he never brought up the permit, and I didn't offer. I was carrying at the time. Had he asked me, I would have gladly produced the permit and shown him my weapon. Not a big deal here...
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 8:47:42 AM EDT
In most of my dealings with LEOs, how I act is generally left up to them. If the LEO is even 1/2way decent, I'm going to tell him as a courtesy. If he's a 10%er(read jerk) all he gets is my name, rank, and serial #.
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 9:09:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/5/2003 9:16:51 AM EDT by SuperAlpha]
HELL NO! I do not volunteer information. He does not need to know. It is my right to KEEP and BEAR ARMS, but I DON'T HAVE to tell him about it, even if he asks. If he had a problem with me (ie: thought I was a robber) then he would already have his gun drawn on me! I certainly would not let him search me without a warrant either. btw: My "permit" is the Second Amendment and I do not have to "carry" it with me. -------------- arm n. A weapon, especially a firearm: troops bearing arms; ICBMs, bombs, and other nuclear arms. (can be knife, club, etc) -------------- bear v. tr. To hold up; support. To carry from one place to another; transport. -------------- keep v. tr. To retain possession of: kept the change; must keep your composure. To have as a supply: keep an ax in the shed. --------------
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 9:41:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SuperAlpha: HELL NO! I do not volunteer information. He does not need to know. It is my right to KEEP and BEAR ARMS, but I DON'T HAVE to tell him about it, even if he asks. If he had a problem with me (ie: thought I was a robber) then he would already have his gun drawn on me! I certainly would not let him search me without a warrant either. btw: My "permit" is the Second Amendment and I do not have to "carry" it with me. -------------- arm n. A weapon, especially a firearm: troops bearing arms; ICBMs, bombs, and other nuclear arms. (can be knife, club, etc) -------------- bear v. tr. To hold up; support. To carry from one place to another; transport. -------------- keep v. tr. To retain possession of: kept the change; must keep your composure. To have as a supply: keep an ax in the shed. --------------
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Boy, talk about Deja Vu. You wouldn't be a guy driving around in an 1988 Blue Ford Escort with an "INFOWARS.COM" bumper sticker would you?
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 5:13:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Johninaustin:
Originally Posted By SuperAlpha: HELL NO! I do not volunteer information. He does not need to know. It is my right to KEEP and BEAR ARMS, but I DON'T HAVE to tell him about it, even if he asks. If he had a problem with me (ie: thought I was a robber) then he would already have his gun drawn on me! I certainly would not let him search me without a warrant either. btw: My "permit" is the Second Amendment and I do not have to "carry" it with me. -------------- arm n. A weapon, especially a firearm: troops bearing arms; ICBMs, bombs, and other nuclear arms. (can be knife, club, etc) -------------- bear v. tr. To hold up; support. To carry from one place to another; transport. -------------- keep v. tr. To retain possession of: kept the change; must keep your composure. To have as a supply: keep an ax in the shed. --------------
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Boy, talk about Deja Vu. You wouldn't be a guy driving around in an 1988 Blue Ford Escort with an "INFOWARS.COM" bumper sticker would you?
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I think I stopped SuperAlpha too, a few years back. Where you the guy who handed me the letter that said I wasn't a Peace Officer unless I was wearing a hat? BTW, the warrants are still active. The Texas Constitution states that you do have a right to keep and bear arms, but that the Legislature may regulate the "wearing" of arms. The Legislature currently says that you have to have a CHL to "wear" arms in a public place. They also say that you have to present your CHL to a Peace Officer when stopped.
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 5:17:54 PM EDT
It is my right to KEEP and BEAR ARMS, but I DON'T HAVE to tell him about it, even if he asks.
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Actually, I think if he asks you for your permit because he has seen you have one in the NICS system you would have to give it to him. (correct me if I'm wrong)
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 5:27:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Johninaustin:
Originally Posted By SuperAlpha: HELL NO! I do not volunteer information. He does not need to know. It is my right to KEEP and BEAR ARMS, but I DON'T HAVE to tell him about it, even if he asks. If he had a problem with me (ie: thought I was a robber) then he would already have his gun drawn on me! I certainly would not let him search me without a warrant either. btw: My "permit" is the Second Amendment and I do not have to "carry" it with me. -------------- arm n. A weapon, especially a firearm: troops bearing arms; ICBMs, bombs, and other nuclear arms. (can be knife, club, etc) -------------- bear v. tr. To hold up; support. To carry from one place to another; transport. -------------- keep v. tr. To retain possession of: kept the change; must keep your composure. To have as a supply: keep an ax in the shed. --------------
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Boy, talk about Deja Vu. You wouldn't be a guy driving around in an 1988 Blue Ford Escort with an "INFOWARS.COM" bumper sticker would you?
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Story!!! Story!! We wanna story!!! [:D] (you too natez!!)
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 5:45:25 PM EDT
Mandatory in Texas. Even if it weren't, it would be wise to do so...shows YOU are a law abiding citizen and that you are on the policeman's side and mean no harm. Just my two pence...
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 6:22:44 PM EDT
Not much to tell really, this was about two months ago. It wasn't an on the job encounter, just one of those really weird guys you run into at gunshops. Pretty much a carbon copy of the above post, among other things. Guy just would NOT shut up. Insulted just about every long gun on the racks, explained to everyone how his AK was so superior to any crappy AR or HK etc, you know the type, I just wish he'd had a bath. Finally, after fingering just about everything and insulting the whole shop, he left. Saw him about two weeks ago on 183NB in a blue Escort wagon, no front LP and an INFOWARS.COM sticker on the rear window glass. Had a woman in the car. Natez, he's WM, 25-28, br/br, hair just to the collar, 170, unshaven, blue long sleeve denim shirt.
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 6:48:42 PM EDT
I am very familiar with the Texas Constitution and the "wearing" of arms. However, it is VOID because of the Second Amendment.
Originally Posted By natez: I think I stopped SuperAlpha too, a few years back. Where you the guy who handed me the letter that said I wasn't a Peace Officer unless I was wearing a hat? BTW, the warrants are still active. The Texas Constitution states that you do have a right to keep and bear arms, but that the Legislature may regulate the "wearing" of arms. The Legislature currently says that you have to have a CHL to "wear" arms in a public place. They also say that you have to present your CHL to a Peace Officer when stopped.
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Link Posted: 5/5/2003 6:51:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/5/2003 6:59:35 PM EDT by SuperAlpha]
Originally Posted By Tailgate: Mandatory in Texas. Even if it weren't, it would be wise to do so...shows YOU are a law abiding citizen and that you are on the policeman's side and mean no harm. Just my two pence...
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Which law are you referring to? Obviously the NULL AND VOID STATE LAW. I obey the laws, and the 2nd Amendment supercedes the state law and therefore the state law is VOID. As a law-abiding citizen I do not have to give up my freedoms and privacy voluntarily. BUT....as someone pointed out before - the only way to get rid of these *laws* is to contest them in court, which means time, money and most likely your freedom until the apeal. Problem: if we do not stand up for our rights and voluntarily *give* them away (politically correct), later they will be expected, and then we will lose everything.
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 6:56:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Johninaustin: Not much to tell really, this was about two months ago. It wasn't an on the job encounter, just one of those really weird guys you run into at gunshops. Pretty much a carbon copy of the above post, among other things. Guy just would NOT shut up. Insulted just about every long gun on the racks, explained to everyone how his AK was so superior to any crappy AR or HK etc, you know the type, I just wish he'd had a bath. Finally, after fingering just about everything and insulting the whole shop, he left. Saw him about two weeks ago on 183NB in a blue Escort wagon, no front LP and an INFOWARS.COM sticker on the rear window glass. Had a woman in the car. Natez, he's WM, 25-28, br/br, hair just to the collar, 170, unshaven, blue long sleeve denim shirt.
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I know the type. Most of the folks I know, are kinda gruff, (happens to us oldsters), and don't much tolerate folks like that much longer than about 2 seconds. You prolly know the type WE are. You know, rural conservative, somewhat wacko [:D], county. I've heard through the grapevine, that my county, (Coos), has the largest number of retired "operators" per capita than any other. Not sure how true it is, but I do know, there's some damn interesting folks around here.....
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 6:56:20 PM EDT
Right you are SuperAlpha, however, I think you would need a very good lawyer to win in court.
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 7:06:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Kroagnon:
Originally Posted By Sumo2000: Much safer top let them know so they don't see a pistol sticking out & pull their gun. I don't need that kinda hassle.
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The whole point of concealed and carry is [b]concealed[/b] carry. If your pistol is showing then you're not carrying concealed and thus in volation of the law (unless your state supports open carry).
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Actually, it does. The TN permit is a Handgun Carry Permit, it allows open carry (not that I know anyone who does that)
Link Posted: 5/5/2003 7:07:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sniper_408: Right you are SuperAlpha, however, I think you would need a very good lawyer to win in court.
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Unfortunately this is true. There must be a case presented and most often times this is a result of an appeal of a criminal case (which can take a lot of time, and usually they plea bargain anyway). I wish I had the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to start as many civil lawsuits as it takes to undo all gun laws. I would also like to prosecute the responsible politicians for treason. Afterall, their worst nightmare is an armed populace. That is one major reason why they all want to ban guns.
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