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Posted: 5/3/2003 7:37:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/3/2003 7:39:14 AM EDT by Airwolf]
After reading this my blood pressure is pegged and I think I may have a stroke. Blind rage doesn't even begin describe my response to this bullshit. This is a letter from Michael Marks, Executive Director of The Fifty Caliber Policy Institute posted by a friend of his on [url]thehighroad.org[/url]. A "sneak peek" before publication. It describes the process that led to the passage from committee of AB-50, the ban on .50BMG rifles in California. For those of you who believe that “The People” still have some voice in California government, this may change your view forever. [url]thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21038[/url]
Link Posted: 5/3/2003 7:49:58 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/3/2003 7:52:08 AM EDT
i think it is past time, WWAAAAAYYYY past time!
Link Posted: 5/3/2003 8:04:20 AM EDT
I need to get my in-laws out of Reno, they are to close to komifornia
Link Posted: 5/3/2003 8:05:17 AM EDT
I think we all know how the safety committee is stacked against our rights. AB50 passed in similar fashon to AB992(?) the 10 cent tax on all ammo and bullet components. Is this now voted on both the House and Senate?
Link Posted: 5/3/2003 8:10:07 AM EDT
I have a question or two: Are the '50 shooters going to ignore the law? Did you ignore Robert-Roos? Do you (a general 'you' directed at all CA shooters) support [i]Silviera[/i]?
Link Posted: 5/3/2003 8:11:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/3/2003 8:15:09 AM EDT by sawbonz]
This kind of nonsense starts at the top. Californians have a chance to recall the governor, Gray Davis, who has signed many of these feel good, anti-gun bills. His approval ratings are in the toilet. Californians, let him know just how you feel. Recall petitions can be downloaded at http://www.recallgraydavis.com/
Link Posted: 5/3/2003 8:15:00 AM EDT
What are you going to do? Honestly. And, do you hope to prevail? Just curious...
Link Posted: 5/3/2003 9:11:15 AM EDT
These gun-related proposals are going to be very tough to fight indeed. Gun control is a real high on the priority list among the Commie Party members here because the costs of enforcement is negligible and the legislators can say they fought against crime. The leftist Democratic governemnt/legislators have pretty much f'up the state with its billions of dollars debt of social programs and the Commies don't want to crank back any of those "popular" programs so they're going to kill the golden goose, that they are now going to finance with long-debt(i.e. bonds) to solve this financial crisis. The basic tenet of common sense business wisdom say that you don't finance current expenses with long-term debt.
Link Posted: 5/3/2003 9:31:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/3/2003 9:32:23 AM EDT by Johnphin]
My Mom just accused me of hating this country, since I frequently complain about the commies/socialists who are trying to take it over. I'm upset! Apparently, she thinks that I only care about the rights that affect me, and care nothing about others' rights. Let's see...I was for liberating the Iraqis, I was upset that the government took imminent domain over a bunch of houses near here and sold the land for a profit to a shopping mall, and I was upset that California banned the Pledge of Allegiance, even though I'm not in school and [i]certainly[/i] not in California. Yet, she tells me that if I didn't like to shoot and race cars that I wouldn't care about the government banning those things. She said that I just want to be able to do whatever I want without anyone telling me what to do, blah, blah, blah... Obviously, I'm more upset about rights infringement that affects me than rights infringement that doesn't, but that hardly constitutes not caring about ALL of my rights, IMO. And about hating the country...what do we mean when we say that we love our country? It seems to me, we're referring to the principles that this country was founded on. Having a voice in the government. Freedom. Liberty and justice for all. Now, how is criticizing the people that try to take those things away considered hatred of the country?!!!! Sorry about the rant, but, like the people in California, I could use some encouragement. Even though I love my mom, I am quite upset about this...
Link Posted: 5/3/2003 9:45:37 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/3/2003 10:21:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Paul: This has nothing to do with crime control and everything to do with people control - pure power - and keeping the liberals in charge. They make headlines so that they can state proudly and loudly for their lapdogs in the media that they are solving crime - while the murder rate in Los Angeles climbs at an amazing rate. Which means they need to pass more laws and to do that they need to be re-elected.
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Many folks on this board realize its about control, people and guns. You can have the guns as long as we control them. But unfortunately a lot of less the educated Calif. sheeple[url=http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=184811]Many Calif H.S. seniors will fail exit exam[/url] actually buy into the spin of gun control is crime control.
Link Posted: 5/3/2003 10:41:54 AM EDT
I'm really pissed because now I have to BUY a 50 BMG rifle.
Link Posted: 5/3/2003 10:56:50 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/3/2003 11:17:29 AM EDT
If you want to give that bozo a piece of your mind, here's the link: [url]http://democrats.assembly.ca.gov/members/a42/[/url]
Link Posted: 5/3/2003 7:15:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By California_Kid: I'm really pissed because now I have to BUY a 50 BMG rifle.
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Me too! But I believe the law, if passed, means the rifles and ammo have to be removed. If you own a single round of .50 cal it's a felony.
Link Posted: 5/3/2003 7:25:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Chaingun:
Originally Posted By California_Kid: I'm really pissed because now I have to BUY a 50 BMG rifle.
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Me too! But I believe the law, if passed, means the rifles and ammo have to be removed. If you own a single round of .50 cal it's a felony.
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It is my understanding that it would fall under the same rules that apply to assault weapons. You could keep it but it must be disposed of when you die.
Link Posted: 5/3/2003 9:51:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/3/2003 9:53:22 PM EDT by cynic]
True, it looks like you get to keep the rifle itself (gee thanks) --- PROVIDED you're willing to register it (i.e. sign it over to The State). Feeding it, however, may be a problem... Source: [url]http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_0001-0050/ab_50_bill_20030410_amended_asm.html[/url] NOTE: This bill has been through at least a few revisions, per the norm, but it LOOKS like this is the one on which they voted. Anyone who knows differently, please feel free to correct. ------------ SEC. 3. Section 12020 of the Penal Code is amended to read: 12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison: (1) Manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, [b]or possesses[/b] any cane gun or wallet gun, any undetectable firearm, any firearm which is not immediately recognizable as a firearm, any camouflaging firearm container, any ammunition which contains or consists of any flechette dart, any bullet containing or carrying an explosive agent, [b]any .50 BMG cartridge[/b], any ballistic knife, any multiburst trigger activator, any nunchaku, any short-barreled shotgun, any short-barreled rifle, any metal knuckles, any belt buckle knife, any leaded cane, any zip gun, any shuriken, any unconventional pistol, any lipstick case knife, any cane sword, any shobi-zue, any air gauge knife, any writing pen knife, any metal military practice handgrenade or metal replica handgrenade, or any instrument or weapon of the kind commonly known as a blackjack, slungshot, billy, sandclub, sap, or sandbag. ----------------- cynic
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 11:48:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/4/2003 11:49:16 AM EDT by photoman]
Heres what i don't get about this bill, it lists several items, short barreled rifles, short barreled shotguns etc...that are NFA weapons already... so if there is a federal law dealing with that stuff why the hell throw it into a state law?
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 11:53:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/4/2003 11:55:05 AM EDT by California_Kid]
PC 12020 is a mish-mash of special nemesis weapons and always has been. AB50 would add the 50 BMG rifles and ammo. Note that a lot of the weapons listed are favored by Asians and Mexicans. I was a bit concerned about the shuriken in my luggage when I flew back from Japan several years ago. I wrote a letter about this and sent it to the Assembly Public Safety Committee last time it came up. My main point was that we would be sacrificing our freedom in order to save it, therefore granting a victory to the "terrorists" it's supposed to protect us from. I'm going to revive that letter and send it to every member of both houses of the Caliban legislature. Gray Davis too, what the hell.
Link Posted: 5/4/2003 11:58:15 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/15/2003 12:36:19 AM EDT
Guys, you have my most sincere sympathies. I wish your politicians could understand what kind of Laughing Stock California is, and how worse it’s getting. By the way, yesterday morning I filled my car up with gasoline priced at $1.39 per 9/10 gallon. And I’ve seen cheaper. You have my permission to come East to the FREE State of Pennsylvania. P.S. No Earthquakes either.
Link Posted: 5/15/2003 12:42:02 AM EDT
Id take an earthquake over most other natural disasters any day. hehe if i join military, i might get elistment bonus...i guess i will have a way to get a .50.
Link Posted: 5/15/2003 1:43:02 AM EDT
Jesus Christ on a crutch. How long before someone markets a .49999 BFG rifle? Bah to their silly shit
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