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Posted: 2/11/2016 7:37:15 PM EDT
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Those are the same things every liberal parrots, without actually understanding it. They just think more government is better government.
The liberals have also edited the fuck out of Wikipedia to make the "National Socialist Party" a "Good Thing", as well as the socialism article itself, and many other articles. The wiki admins seem to like the new edits, so they lock the pages. I personally believe that the removal of God from everywhere by the anti-theists has lowered the bar for an overwhelming number of people as far as self discipline and a moral compasses are concerned. This picture from long ago sums it up well: 
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Posted: 2/11/2016 7:39:40 PM EDT
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<a href="http://www.directupload.net" target="_blank">http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160211/cx7foljf.jpg</a> Basically the Op of this meme is saying since we have pubic funded entities then not electing Bernie and demonizing the word "socialism" make you a hypocrit. FBS My response: OK, get your fingers out of my wallet and we have a deal. |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 7:41:18 PM EDT
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1) I'm pretty sure I'll never see a dime of Social Security, although I've been paying for years into it 2) I am also sure that the government takes money from me at the gas pump to pay for the roads. 3) My kids aren't in public schools, yet I somehow have to pay for public schools 4) I was a VOLUNTEER firefighter for over 12 years, and never paid a dime to do it 5) I am not hooked up to a sewer system. and 6) whoever made that is a fucking retard You probably don't hear it often enough but thank you for your service as a volunteer fire fighter. We would be much worse off if it wasn't for folks like you. |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 7:43:21 PM EDT
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Post Roads and Post Offices are in the Constitution as an enumerated power
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Posted: 2/11/2016 7:44:10 PM EDT
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I believe that is Communism. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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True socialism means the government owns the means of production. I believe that is Communism. It is more of a "degree of ownership" arrangement at that point. i.e. The government has a veto on every business decision you make and takes 90% of your profits = socialism. The government straight up runs every single thing = communism. |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 7:48:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160211/cx7foljf.jpg Basically the Op of this meme is saying since we have pubic funded entities then not electing Bernie and demonizing the word "socialism" make you a hypocrit. FBS How about a poster that says "you're retarded and fail to understand either socialism and/or the functions of government". |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 7:50:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/11/2016 7:51:34 PM EDT
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It is more of a "degree of ownership" arrangement at that point. i.e. The government has a veto on every business decision you make and takes 90% of your profits = socialism. The government straight up runs every single thing = communism. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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True socialism means the government owns the means of production. I believe that is Communism. It is more of a "degree of ownership" arrangement at that point. i.e. The government has a veto on every business decision you make and takes 90% of your profits = socialism. The government straight up runs every single thing = communism. The definition of Communism is "The workers control the means of production" |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 7:52:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/11/2016 7:53:20 PM EDT
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Delete Facebook.
Problem Solved. |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 7:54:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/11/2016 7:54:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/11/2016 8:00:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/11/2016 8:01:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/11/2016 8:02:57 PM EDT
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Agreed. I rebut the "police & fire = socialism" argument at least weekly on Farcebook. Just found a retort to a similar meme I created a few weeks ago: Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<a href="http://www.directupload.net" target="_blank">http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160211/cx7foljf.jpg</a> Basically the Op of this meme is saying since we have pubic funded entities then not electing Bernie and demonizing the word "socialism" make you a hypocrit. FBS Fire Departments in many places are private/volunteer, but in others, like police, is a valid function of the state - not socialism Roads? Many of them existed pre pavement (and in some cased Govt) - again a function of Govt that pre-dates the US and 'socialism' to allow defense of the state and commerce. Public Schools? Again something that was pre-socialism and is considered a function of LOCAL governments - get the Federal govt OUT OF THE SCHOOLS - and yes my kids are not part of the public school system. Postal Service - again that was pre-socialism, and was used as the primary communication system for the country for over a century. Now it is horribly out performed by private companies (UPS, Fed Ex, etc). Internet? LOL the basic premise was a government experiment - but the backbones, service providers, websites, and all current browsers are all commercial not govt. No SS or Medicare? Fine - stop taking the money for them out of my paycheck, refund what I've paid, and I'll gladly not use them. In other words most of what OD is trying to claim as 'socialist' are standard functions of state of local governments. Without such services there is no need for most of what govt is. For those few programs that are 'socialist' don't pick my pocket and I'll steer clear. Agreed. I rebut the "police & fire = socialism" argument at least weekly on Farcebook. Just found a retort to a similar meme I created a few weeks ago: People originated the idea of fire departments to benefit themselves as a group and without involving the government, not only because one person doesn't make a bucket brigade but because your home burning endangers mine, reinforcing the underlying importance of private property. Government involvement came much later, at least in America.
The interstate highway system was built to support the nation's transport of defense related material, thus the reason it was named the National Interstate and Defense Highways Act. Eisenhower spoke of the Reichsautobahnen (designed for similar reasons) being his inspiration. Going back further, President Wilson ran on a platform endorsing "the construction of post roads and roads for military purposes" before he signed the Federal Aid Road Act of 1916. And let's examine social security as an example of "socialism". While it may not be "bad", it's dishonest and unsustainable and a classic example of Thatcher's quote about "other people's money". Case in point Ida May Fuller, the first recipient of benefits who contributed $24.75 over three years, but collected a total of $22,888.92 in benefits over the next 35 years. Source: https://ssa.gov/history/idapayroll.html Compare the construction of SSA to the definition of a Ponzi scheme and it matches exactly, lacking only the criminal intent. Google the term "Ponzi Scheme" and you'll find the following in Wikipedia: A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator, an individual or organization, pays returns to its investors from new capital paid to the operators by new investors, rather than from profit earned by the operator. Operators of Ponzi schemes usually entice new investors by offering higher returns than other investments, in the form of short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent. Now replace the following terms in that definition: "fraudulent investment operation" with "government program" "individual or organization" with "government agency" "returns" with "benefits" "investors" with "beneficiaries" "new investors" with "participants" and tell me it doesn't match... It's a great scam - excuse me - benefit - as long as you're not the one left waiting for benefits when the well dries up taking "your money" with it. excellent ! thank you. |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 8:03:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/11/2016 8:04:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/11/2016 8:08:00 PM EDT
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I am 100% fine giving up every one of those and/or using pvt options instead. Now let's talk about my new 0% tax rate... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile +1. It's simple. 1. Public roads and infrastructure paid by taxes isn't socialism, doofus. 2. Sure, if I stop paying 90% of the taxes I pay I'll gladly give the rest up. |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 8:08:25 PM EDT
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<a href="http://www.directupload.net" target="_blank">http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160211/cx7foljf.jpg</a> Basically the Op of this meme is saying since we have pubic funded entities then not electing Bernie and demonizing the word "socialism" make you a hypocrit. FBS Send them to this link and let them know that a "public good" is but one type of good. Non-public goods don't and can't work the same way except through brutal suppression of basic (even non-violent) human motivations. |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 8:11:26 PM EDT
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<a href="http://www.directupload.net" target="_blank">http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160211/cx7foljf.jpg</a> Basically the Op of this meme is saying since we have pubic funded entities then not electing Bernie and demonizing the word "socialism" make you a hypocrit. FBS I'll gladly opt out of medicare/medicaid and SS if I no longer have to pay into them. Police, fire, and most of the roads I drive on are state or local so that doesn't really apply to federal socialist programs at all. Same with the schools though I'd never have kids if I couldn't afford to send them to private school. The public schools in this area are full of fucking retards. |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 8:14:26 PM EDT
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Create a similar image showing the other "features" of Socialism.
Restraint of Free Speech Loss of jobs Economic failure Nationalization of industry (and the failure thereof) Declining tax revenue Bankruptcy at the city/state/national level. Ongoing corruption... Increased crime. Reduction in education levels. Unsustainable welfare state. Reduced productivity.... |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 8:18:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/11/2016 8:22:22 PM EDT
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Simple. I pay for service (schools, roads, internet, postage), I get service. GOOD! I pay for service (medicare, ss, welfare), you get service. FUCK YOU. that works. but, IB4 "why do you hate the poors and babies". |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 8:26:26 PM EDT
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OK, stop taking money out of my paycheck through the threat of violence to pay for all that. I pay for my own private health insurance. I do not believe Social Security will ever be there for me. I would rather have my money left in my paycheck to invest as I see fit. I would gladly pay tolls for point of use access to privately funded roads. I sent my kids to private school where they actually learned things like math and science as opposed to gender identity and White guilt. I have never called the police or the fire department. FedEx, UPS, etc. could easily and more efficiently take over USPS services entirely. I am on well & septic. |
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Posted: 2/11/2016 8:39:25 PM EDT
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just saw this one
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Posted: 2/11/2016 10:50:16 PM EDT
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1) I'm pretty sure I'll never see a dime of Social Security, although I've been paying for years into it 2) I am also sure that the government takes money from me at the gas pump to pay for the roads. 3) My kids aren't in public schools, yet I somehow have to pay for public schools 4) I was a VOLUNTEER firefighter for over 12 years, and never paid a dime to do it 5) I am not hooked up to a sewer system. and 6) whoever made that is a fucking retard The problem with your arguments is that they are just what the socialists want. Read the basic message they are trying to get across - "Since we already have psuedo-socialism that is working out in our minds, complete socialism must be better!" They are intentionally blurring the definition of socialism. NOT trying to get you to change any of the bullshit items listed, and it seems to be working. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 11:28:22 PM EDT
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Read the basic message they are trying to get across - "Since we already have psuedo-socialism that is working out in our minds, complete socialism must be better!" They are intentionally blurring the definition of socialism. NOT trying to get you to change any of the bullshit items listed, and it seems to be working. Exactly. A FB associate posted this: 
To which I rebutted: Given that a socialist system would simply take the money under compulsion it seems an invalid comparison. A friend of his replied: you are speaking of state socialism... which I believe is a minority view of the process, vs democratic socialism which is what the demagoguery conflates one to the other. It's a very last century view, and would seem to be classic chauvanism, jingo-ism....etc. Oh, look - a do-gooder. So aside from dismissing my comment as "last century", "chauvinistic" and "jingoistic", please explain (using your modern, inclusive and enlightened understanding) what the difference is between requesting a donation that is freely offered by an individual and an individual who has their money taken from them either by the fiat of a state bureaucracy or a freely held vote of the people? Found this online - is it accurate? "Property rights would be subordinated to the general welfare of the polity, as just one concern among many. Those that do not harm society can stay, while those that do will be curtailed or abolished.
This is not as extreme as it sounds. You'll still be able to own a computer, clothes, and a home under democratic socialism. But private property that is plainly negative to society, such as extraction rights in buried carbon, will have to be eventually extinguished if the human race is going to survive. The point is that common human welfare is more important than an absolute right to ownership." http://theweek.com/articles/559073/bernie-sanders-right-time-democratic-socialism He replied: accurate in the context of poisoning people is negative and taking the money it would have cost to not poison them to give tax breaks to your friends is criminal/ immoral. Or do you not make those distinctions? A liberal - engaging in ad hominem attacks rather than address the merits of the issue actually being discussed? I know it's shocking, especially for those of use who have ever debated RKBA and been called xenophobic, paranoid, uneducated, inbred, stupid, sexually inadequate or the old liberal standby - racist - by people who never address issues like the lack of affirmative duty or the lack of effort to enforce the current laws while calling for new ones. But I'll be damned if I'll let him go that easily: My, what a broad brush you paint with. One might almost think that was a borderline ad hominem attack with an appeal to consequences thrown in, since my disagreeing, or asking questions in an attempt to understand but not simply falling in line with doctrine (or bindly accepting a political position) somehow assumes I condone harming people. Just to clarify I don't agree with poisoning people, and I don't think giving criminals tax breaks is any more acceptable than using the bottomless retainer of the taxpayer to bully people into compliance through the legal system is reflective of a system of justice. I also believe that while many refer to our current system as "capitalist" it is more of a system of cronyism than pure capitalism, and there has been no monopoly of either party on abusing that system for personal or political gain. The article I posted talks about private property that is deemed negative to society, and how it can be "curtailed or abolished". Doesn't sound very voluntary, unless the only thing that is voluntary is not to be shot by the people doing the curtailing at the will of the people who sent them, but since it's for the "greater good" those individuals are just supposed to smile and comply, right? Sounds a lot like "lay back and think of England". Let's return to the concept of the meme that started this discussion and not get side tracked if we can. I'm still waiting for an explanation of the difference between requesting a donation that is freely offered by an individual and an individual having their money taken from them, regardless of the motives or methods. Can you clarify the distinction, or should I expect another assassination attempt on my character? He quickly sidestepped the issue and, you'll notice - never addressed the issue of government compulsion whether by popular vote or bureaucratic edict. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 11:37:42 PM EDT
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Roads aren't socialism.
Also most of that stuff is state and local .gov. It is the fed .gov that we have 95% of the problem with. |
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Posted: 2/12/2016 11:46:49 PM EDT
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Take Social Security. It is a social welfare program run by the government, involving direct transfers from some people to other people. But individuals can participate in other old age plans, or even opt out from it. Hold the phone. What? There's a way to opt out of SS? How? I want to do this yesterday. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 12:02:03 AM EDT
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Exactly. A FB associate posted this: http://i68.tinypic.com/2utsvsw.png To which I rebutted: Given that a socialist system would simply take the money under compulsion it seems an invalid comparison. A friend of his replied: you are speaking of state socialism... which I believe is a minority view of the process, vs democratic socialism which is what the demagoguery conflates one to the other. It's a very last century view, and would seem to be classic chauvanism, jingo-ism....etc. Oh, look - a do-gooder. So aside from dismissing my comment as "last century", "chauvinistic" and "jingoistic", please explain (using your modern, inclusive and enlightened understanding) what the difference is between requesting a donation that is freely offered by an individual and an individual who has their money taken from them either by the fiat of a state bureaucracy or a freely held vote of the people? Found this online - is it accurate? "Property rights would be subordinated to the general welfare of the polity, as just one concern among many. Those that do not harm society can stay, while those that do will be curtailed or abolished. This is not as extreme as it sounds. You'll still be able to own a computer, clothes, and a home under democratic socialism. But private property that is plainly negative to society, such as extraction rights in buried carbon, will have to be eventually extinguished if the human race is going to survive. The point is that common human welfare is more important than an absolute right to ownership." http://theweek.com/articles/559073/bernie-sanders-right-time-democratic-socialism He replied: accurate in the context of poisoning people is negative and taking the money it would have cost to not poison them to give tax breaks to your friends is criminal/ immoral. Or do you not make those distinctions? A liberal - engaging in ad hominem attacks rather than address the merits of the issue actually being discussed? .... He quickly sidestepped the issue and, you'll notice - never addressed the issue of government compulsion whether by popular vote or bureaucratic edict. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Read the basic message they are trying to get across - "Since we already have psuedo-socialism that is working out in our minds, complete socialism must be better!" They are intentionally blurring the definition of socialism. NOT trying to get you to change any of the bullshit items listed, and it seems to be working. Exactly. A FB associate posted this: http://i68.tinypic.com/2utsvsw.png To which I rebutted: Given that a socialist system would simply take the money under compulsion it seems an invalid comparison. A friend of his replied: you are speaking of state socialism... which I believe is a minority view of the process, vs democratic socialism which is what the demagoguery conflates one to the other. It's a very last century view, and would seem to be classic chauvanism, jingo-ism....etc. Oh, look - a do-gooder. So aside from dismissing my comment as "last century", "chauvinistic" and "jingoistic", please explain (using your modern, inclusive and enlightened understanding) what the difference is between requesting a donation that is freely offered by an individual and an individual who has their money taken from them either by the fiat of a state bureaucracy or a freely held vote of the people? Found this online - is it accurate? "Property rights would be subordinated to the general welfare of the polity, as just one concern among many. Those that do not harm society can stay, while those that do will be curtailed or abolished. This is not as extreme as it sounds. You'll still be able to own a computer, clothes, and a home under democratic socialism. But private property that is plainly negative to society, such as extraction rights in buried carbon, will have to be eventually extinguished if the human race is going to survive. The point is that common human welfare is more important than an absolute right to ownership." http://theweek.com/articles/559073/bernie-sanders-right-time-democratic-socialism He replied: accurate in the context of poisoning people is negative and taking the money it would have cost to not poison them to give tax breaks to your friends is criminal/ immoral. Or do you not make those distinctions? A liberal - engaging in ad hominem attacks rather than address the merits of the issue actually being discussed? .... He quickly sidestepped the issue and, you'll notice - never addressed the issue of government compulsion whether by popular vote or bureaucratic edict. They love to throw labels around instead of facts. The are heavily using the concept that if you repeat something enough, it becomes "true". Hence the Wikipedia page creation, editing, and then locking. You've seen this, but for others, learn it, memorize it, and use it. Click to enlarge, though the text isn't fully visible unless you (well, I) squint. 
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Posted: 2/13/2016 12:39:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The definition of Communism is "The workers control the means of production" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: True socialism means the government owns the means of production. I believe that is Communism. It is more of a "degree of ownership" arrangement at that point. i.e. The government has a veto on every business decision you make and takes 90% of your profits = socialism. The government straight up runs every single thing = communism. The definition of Communism is "The workers control the means of production" |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 12:54:40 AM EDT
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<a href="http://www.directupload.net" target="_blank">http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160211/cx7foljf.jpg</a> Basically the Op of this meme is saying since we have pubic funded entities then not electing Bernie and demonizing the word "socialism" make you a hypocrit. FBS I think the person who made that meme is either trolling or retarded: Social Security- Insolvent ponzi scheme destined to fail. Medicare- Has led directly to astronimcal increases in costs of tests, medicine, long-term care and preventative care. It has removed the free-market incentive to find ways to cut costs. Roads and Highways- A core function of the Federal government according to the Constitution. Next? Public Schools- Just because the government pays for something doesn’t make it Socialism. Besides, have we really done a good job educating students compared to other developed nations? Charter schools and private schools blow standard public schools out of the water. Police and Fire- Just because the government pays for something doesn’t make it Socialism. These are core functions of the government that nearly everyone acknowledges is necessary. With that said, if we allowed the free-market into these services, cities and counties might actually get better service and performance. Postal Service- Just because the government pays for something doesn’t make it Socialism. Besides, the Postal Service is a money pit that is full of corruption and some of the worst employees of the Federal Government. Hardly something to hitch your trailer to. Utilities, etc- A core function of government, though it could be argued VERY easily that this could be privatized and run more effectively. Still, I have never heard anyone decry basic public utilities as Socialism run amok. Internet- The military created the Internet for military purposes. Last time I checked the military is constitutional. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:05:46 AM EDT
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All I know is they can shove public roads up their asses PLEASE let my daily commute be an offroad adventure every day. I'll Oregon trail the shit out of going to the grocery store twice a month. No more public roads and no more vehicle inspections and I can finally utilize my garage tumor of a samurai to its full (although small) potential.
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:08:34 AM EDT
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<a href="http://www.directupload.net" target="_blank">http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160211/cx7foljf.jpg</a> Basically the Op of this meme is saying since we have pubic funded entities then not electing Bernie and demonizing the word "socialism" make you a hypocrit. FBS Social Security and arguably Medicare are socialist. The rest aren't. Socialism is the control by the state of the product of production. Taxation to redistribute wealth, or to fund cronies are socialist. Socialist programs multiply the expense and wreck the benefit of everything they attempt to fund, by passing both funding and accountability through a bureaucracy. Ask them how well Social Security and Medicare compare to private investments or (pre-0-care) insurance. Fascism is the control by the state of the means of production. 0-Care is a fascist program, because it brings control of the health care industry much more directly under the control of the state. Communism is the control by the state of both the means and product of production. (Yes, these are simplified definitions.) |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:27:38 AM EDT
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Social Security and arguably Medicare are socialist. The rest aren't. Socialism is the control by the state of the product of production. Taxation to redistribute wealth, or to fund cronies are socialist. Socialist programs multiply the expense and wreck the benefit of everything they attempt to fund, by passing both funding and accountability through a bureaucracy. Ask them how well Social Security and Medicare compare to private investments or (pre-0-care) insurance. Fascism is the control by the state of the means of production. 0-Care is a fascist program, because it brings control of the health care industry much more directly under the control of the state. Communism is the control by the state of both the means and product of production. (Yes, these are simplified definitions.) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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<a href="http://www.directupload.net" target="_blank">http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160211/cx7foljf.jpg</a> Basically the Op of this meme is saying since we have pubic funded entities then not electing Bernie and demonizing the word "socialism" make you a hypocrit. FBS Social Security and arguably Medicare are socialist. The rest aren't. Socialism is the control by the state of the product of production. Taxation to redistribute wealth, or to fund cronies are socialist. Socialist programs multiply the expense and wreck the benefit of everything they attempt to fund, by passing both funding and accountability through a bureaucracy. Ask them how well Social Security and Medicare compare to private investments or (pre-0-care) insurance. Fascism is the control by the state of the means of production. 0-Care is a fascist program, because it brings control of the health care industry much more directly under the control of the state. Communism is the control by the state of both the means and product of production. (Yes, these are simplified definitions.) True, but if you look at wikipedia's entry on socialism, there are now 113 mentions of the word "Democrat/Democratic" now, with the big "push" of changes starting in May of 2015. 
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:32:10 AM EDT
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Police and Fire- Just because the government pays for something doesn’t make it Socialism. These are core functions of the government that nearly everyone acknowledges is necessary. They are now; they didn't used to be. There have been for-profit firefighting enterprises. Very profitable, but disastrous for the public. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 4:38:56 AM EDT
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<a href="http://www.directupload.net" target="_blank">http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160211/cx7foljf.jpg</a> Basically the Op of this meme is saying since we have pubic funded entities then not electing Bernie and demonizing the word "socialism" make you a hypocrit. FBS There really isn't anything to say to combat something so nonsensical. "Socialist" does not mean publicly funded; in practice it boils down to a bunch of fuckers deciding they can vote their way into everyone else's wallets. The person who made that image knows it, too, but a core part of leftist ideology is that any means is justified by the ends. As a society, we choose to live by rules that govern how we make other rules. We can use those to create a publicly funded safety net, if we want to - and we can also use them to unmake one. There is no part of that, though, that gives someone else some sort of right to the results of my labor. At the end of the day the only thing that matters is being able to tell them to fuck off and making it stick. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 4:48:42 AM EDT
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There really isn't anything to say to combat something so nonsensical. "Socialist" does not mean publicly funded; in practice it boils down to a bunch of fuckers deciding they can vote their way into everyone else's wallets. The person who made that image knows it, too, but a core part of leftist ideology is that any means is justified by the ends. At the end of the day the only thing that matters is being able to tell them to fuck off and making it stick. Quote HistoryQuoted:
There really isn't anything to say to combat something so nonsensical. "Socialist" does not mean publicly funded; in practice it boils down to a bunch of fuckers deciding they can vote their way into everyone else's wallets. The person who made that image knows it, too, but a core part of leftist ideology is that any means is justified by the ends. At the end of the day the only thing that matters is being able to tell them to fuck off and making it stick. A "BERN!" Supporter responded with this on the latest Ted Cruz awesome video: Absurd Improbability 1 hour ago
+bobbi jones I am awake, it is you who is sleeping. Counting sheep in the mirror my friend. We do not have capitalism, we have corporatism, and THAT is slavery. By the means of bought politicians, and paid for news media, that keep you divided and hating those who are your neighbors and fellow humans. They keep us working slave wages, indentured into servitude of debt and student loans with the false promise of getting rich. Bernie is not a socialist btw, he is a Democratic Socialist. That means he believes the system should work for the benefit of all of the people. It does not mean getting rid of capitalism, it simply means not letting the rich control everything. They can and will still be rich, they just can't have it all. Enough is enough! It has NOTHING to do with the items listed in the stupid meme in the OP. They are simply trying to candy coat "Socialism" by putting Democratic in front of it, and keep repeating it. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 4:54:04 AM EDT
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MUH ROADS
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Posted: 2/13/2016 5:09:32 AM EDT
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<a href="http://www.directupload.net" target="_blank">http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160211/cx7foljf.jpg</a> Basically the Op of this meme is saying since we have pubic funded entities then not electing Bernie and demonizing the word "socialism" make you a hypocrit. FBS Easy. Haven't used that. Haven't used that. I pay for that. Haven't used that. Haven't used that. I pay for that. I am a home-school father (and teaches in the Co-op for free) that lives in the county (well/septic) and has never been on public relief. I volunteered as Firefighter/EMT for years(still EMT) but have never ridden in an ambulance since I was 11 or called the FD. Roads are paid for by gas tax, and I still have to put a stamp on whatever I mail. The county steals half the road on my frontage with no compensation. In Ohio, I own to the centerline of the county road. The bus turns around in my drive, even though my kids have never ridden it, without paying for the damage they cause. My property tax pays for both the Fire/rescue and school I never use. Idiots. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 5:13:41 AM EDT
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True socialism means the government owns the means of production. The welfare state isn't really socialism. You confuse socialism with communism. In socialism, the .gov owns the profits, not the means. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 5:24:18 AM EDT
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<a href="http://www.directupload.net" target="_blank">http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160211/cx7foljf.jpg</a> Basically the Op of this meme is saying since we have pubic funded entities then not electing Bernie and demonizing the word "socialism" make you a hypocrit. FBS s.s./m.c.: I pay into that and thats supposedly my money I'll be getting back which probably won't happen. fire dept. near me is all volunteer as are ones in the outlying area. USPS...hardly should be held up as a successful "social" program. toilets...i have a septic system, but when i lived in town I paid for sewer/water service public roads/highways, police....i have no argument against them but I also don't view them as social programs. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 5:28:09 AM EDT
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Someone doesn't understand the definition of Socialism. Like seemingly at least half of GD? If the postal service hadn't been rooted in the founding of this country, 87% of the Breitbart readers of the world would be calling a proposal like that "socialism." Same thing with fire departments, etc. There are, after all, rooted in sectors originated as private enterprises. So, the meme has a point, in the sense of the typical "ignore the real argument, and fixate on the extreme polar opposite" tactic of politics. 
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Posted: 2/13/2016 5:52:39 AM EDT
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You confuse socialism with communism. In socialism, the .gov owns the profits, not the means. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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True socialism means the government owns the means of production. The welfare state isn't really socialism. You confuse socialism with communism. In socialism, the .gov owns the profits, not the means. No. Just, No. The basic concept of socialism is control of the means of production. How this control is achieve, is where the semantics come into play "democratic," government, "State," etc. are general distinctions within a general philosophy of society that does not trust individual free agents, not beholden to "the people" to make capital decisions on their own. It gets softened in today's rhetoric with variants that seek government control through excessive regulatory measures to achieve "democratic" control of industry, and not a blatant appropriation of title from a private owner (such as the Fabian socialists that became all the rage for a few years here when Glenn Beck started talking about them, but there have been man others), but all variants of socialism are rooted in the ideology of government ("the people") having full control over the productive assets of a society. All socialist movements share this basic ideology at their roots, it's what defines them. The general dispute is about the means to achieve this, with the classic Communists establishing "dictatorships of the proletariat" and abolishing all private property and waging cultural warfare against revolutionaries who, and the rest seeking to achieve socialists paradise within existing democratic systems. The Communists declared they were the first countries to achieve true socialism. They justified their excesses and abuses in the name of achieving a future Communist paradise. Many, many here could stand to read the actual arguments and ideological works of the people they claim expertise in, and less time reading some guy they agree with "explain" things to them. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 8:36:46 AM EDT
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You already have a lot of socialism in the US. Like your military, the police etc. There is no need to be scared of social democracy.
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Posted: 2/13/2016 9:15:58 AM EDT
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<a href="http://www.directupload.net" target="_blank">http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160211/cx7foljf.jpg</a> Basically the Op of this meme is saying since we have pubic funded entities then not electing Bernie and demonizing the word "socialism" make you a hypocrit. FBS Tell the person who posted that to do a little research and get back to you when they know what the definition of socialism is. Because currently they clearly do not. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 9:17:01 AM EDT
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That's easy.........it's a matter of balance and things have gotten out of whack and too many people are taking advantage of free shit.
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Posted: 2/13/2016 9:24:31 AM EDT
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I am 100% fine giving up every one of those and/or using pvt options instead. Now let's talk about my new 0% tax rate... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile This. I pay for internet and postage directly, so WTF up with that? Defense spending made the internet. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 9:25:18 AM EDT
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lol well I wouldn't even try with that one. Too easy. All those things come out of my paycheck in one form or another. Try again
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Posted: 2/13/2016 9:34:33 AM EDT
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<a href="http://www.directupload.net" target="_blank">http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160211/cx7foljf.jpg</a> Basically the Op of this meme is saying since we have pubic funded entities then not electing Bernie and demonizing the word "socialism" make you a hypocrit. FBS You don't combat a meme. IT's like arguing with a retard. Every minute people are posting cute meme's on political shit is a moment they are not directly doing anything to help get their party elected. |
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