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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:15:52 PM EDT
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paint a dick on it. that usually solves everything Hey everyone, let's play "spot the marines" 
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:19:57 PM EDT
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So, "their business their rules" also applies to limiting other constitutional rights? We seriously need to get over saying that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Move. Their business, their rules. Rules that I wouldn't choose to live under and a business that I wouldn't support. So, "their business their rules" also applies to limiting other constitutional rights? We seriously need to get over saying that. As shitty as it sounds, yes. Don't like it? Don't patronize it. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:22:55 PM EDT
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No Spanish, not a legal sign. Paint over it.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:28:12 PM EDT
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So what separates a sign from a document
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:28:54 PM EDT
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Texas law says 30.06 and 30.07 have to be in English and Spanish to be legal.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:36:54 PM EDT
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Texas law says 30.06 and 30.07 have to be in English and Spanish to be legal. That's what I thought |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:51:28 PM EDT
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Carry on as usual. If confronted, explain that you identify as a non-English speaking six year old hispanic girl, and therefore cannot read the sign.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:54:39 PM EDT
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So what separates a sign from a document According to my attorney, a document is handheld and portable from place to place. Signs typically are not. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:57:00 PM EDT
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You cant trespass on property you have a right to be in, pursuant your lease. Sounds like management office needs a lesson in the law. I can post a sign on my lawn stating "NO FAT CHICK ALLOWED", yet they STILL manage to wake up in my bed. And legally, there is nothing I can do. Except make them pancakes and hope they don't come back. If you make them pancakes, they always come back. ALWAYS! |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:58:41 PM EDT
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Good question idk what is considered trespass since I live here Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How could it be trespass if you live there? Good question idk what is considered trespass since I live here Since it's a new sign, I doubt that it was in the lease you signed when you moved in. Wait until it the new law goes into effect making it legal to open carry and then start asking questions. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 7:00:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/19/2015 7:04:48 PM EDT
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Sign needs bullet holes
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Posted: 12/19/2015 7:07:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a feeling these are going to be popping up everywhere within the next few months  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Time to move. Their Property, Their Rulz..........  |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 7:09:08 PM EDT
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There's probably an exception for place of residence similar to if you live within 1000 feet of a school.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 7:15:17 PM EDT
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move to a free state
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Posted: 12/19/2015 7:19:37 PM EDT
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I'm a dick and have a bunch of these.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 8:02:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good question idk what is considered trespass since I live here Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How could it be trespass if you live there? Good question idk what is considered trespass since I live here A posted sign does NOT take precedence over terms of your LEASE. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 8:03:43 PM EDT
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If it is a sign, it must be in both English and Spanish, if it is a card (I guess handed out?) it can be in only English, and doesn't have to be in contrasting colors and 1" letters, etc. Doesn't even have to be a sign or card. It can be oral. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 8:09:06 PM EDT
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Texas law says 30.06 and 30.07 have to be in English and Spanish to be legal. But under the Section covering open carry, it says notification can be oral, so they don't even need a sign if they just tell you not to carry openly. That's pretty shitty. Oh, and not to perpetuate a needless argument, i haven't seen a single 30.07 sign that I can recall, anywhere in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area. I'm sure there are some somewhere, but I know my local Walmarts don't have them, nor do the shopping malls, restaurants and other places I frequent. In fact, one of my favorite restaurants has a sign encouraging carry! |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 8:10:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Living there and owning are two different things. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How could it be trespass if you live there? Living there and owning are two different things. Living there makes it his legal abode. Whatever isn't in the lease is not enforceable. My guess is they put the sign up to apply to people visiting the property.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 8:10:59 PM EDT
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Most of these laws are for trespassing. If they find out they cant detain you if you comply and leave.
I would just carry concealed |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 8:12:05 PM EDT
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That would look awesome rittled with bullet holes
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Posted: 12/19/2015 8:14:50 PM EDT
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Living there and owning are two different things. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How could it be trespass if you live there? Living there and owning are two different things. Usually the law disagrees with you. A legal lease gives you most of the same legal protections as ownership, especially when it comes to personal effects and their storage/transportation on/off the property. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 8:26:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The SAXET gun show is one of those places. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: LOL. I travel to San Antonio every year for business, and while they're not everywhere, there are a lot of businesses that choose to violate my individual right to defend myself. I haven't been to a gun show in Texas in about the past 20 years that wasn't 30.06 posted. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 8:38:39 PM EDT
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OP does not have a hair on his balls if he does not come up with something to print out and tape to the sign.
Start a poll looking for creative ideas and post the best one. We will of course need pictures of the new sign and some open carried firearms. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 8:45:22 PM EDT
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I agree with you 100%. By leaving, you are in FACT allowing and condoning your rights to be curtailed. I ask you; would the Left allow a sign saying "NO GAYS" to be posted. Do they say, "their business, their rules" and leave and go find somewhere else to live. NO, they don't. They challenge it and win and the next business that even THINKS of doing this knows that it will be sued. We need the same mind think. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Move. Their business, their rules. Rules that I wouldn't choose to live under and a business that I wouldn't support. So, "their business their rules" also applies to limiting other constitutional rights? We seriously need to get over saying that. I agree with you 100%. By leaving, you are in FACT allowing and condoning your rights to be curtailed. I ask you; would the Left allow a sign saying "NO GAYS" to be posted. Do they say, "their business, their rules" and leave and go find somewhere else to live. NO, they don't. They challenge it and win and the next business that even THINKS of doing this knows that it will be sued. We need the same mind think. Gays are a protected class. Gun owners are not. Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 8:49:48 PM EDT
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stupid sign is stupid. and not enforceable on anyone due to not meeting requirements. perhaps apt complex owner, most likely big company, requires a sign, so locals put a sign, knowing it isnt legit, thus unenforcable.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 8:50:22 PM EDT
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Is that Magnolia? I have only seen 30.06 signs in both English and Spanish and I would expect 30.07 signs to be the same. To be sure I would email that pic to Charles Cotton over at the TexasCHLforum, he is a lawyer for gun rights out of Friendswood.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 8:56:07 PM EDT
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If you don't complain about it, and cite it as your reason for moving (whatever the real reason it) then you're part of the problem. Get them to take that stupidity down.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 9:07:25 PM EDT
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So, "their business their rules" also applies to limiting other constitutional rights? We seriously need to get over saying that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Move. Their business, their rules. Rules that I wouldn't choose to live under and a business that I wouldn't support. So, "their business their rules" also applies to limiting other constitutional rights? We seriously need to get over saying that. The Bill of Rights doesn't limit what private citizens can do with their property. Do I have the right to assemble in your living room? |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 9:10:03 PM EDT
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My guess is you may have a limited right to carry to and from your vehicle but can't hang out at the pool.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 9:16:10 PM EDT
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Move to a free state! Pretty sure i've seen that posted here before. I've never seen a sign around here in spanish. But i have had to press 1 for english
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Posted: 12/19/2015 9:16:45 PM EDT
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OP does not have a hair on his balls if he does not come up with something to print out and tape to the sign. Start a poll looking for creative ideas and post the best one. We will of course need pictures of the new sign and some open carried firearms. I can't open carry till new years |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 9:16:54 PM EDT
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My guess is you may have a limited right to carry to and from your vehicle but can't hang out at the pool. Probably correct. Its muddy, and I doubt they'd pursue it in court, but I bet your lease wouldn't be renewed if you tested them. Personally, I would just pull a sirt over it and move when it made sense to. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 9:23:35 PM EDT
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Austin, I assume? ETA: Longview? WTF?!!! I thought only Austin was commie central! |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 9:26:47 PM EDT
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You cant trespass on property you have a right to be in, pursuant your lease. Sounds like management office needs a lesson in the law. I can post a sign on my lawn stating "NO FAT CHICK ALLOWED", yet they STILL manage to wake up in my bed. And legally, there is nothing I can do. Except make them pancakes and hope they don't come back. Y'all don;t come here for the Hunting, do you Boy???????
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Posted: 12/19/2015 9:28:31 PM EDT
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According to my attorney, a document is handheld and portable from place to place. Signs typically are not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what separates a sign from a document According to my attorney, a document is handheld and portable from place to place. Signs typically are not. Exactly. The thing pictured is clearly a sign, not a document. As such, it doesn't meet the requirements for signage to be effective notice and can be ignored. Note that if someone in charge sees you open carrying and tells you that OC is not permitted, that does meet the definition of notice. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 9:40:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm a dick and have a bunch of these. http://www.mywallstickers.co.uk/images/detailed/3/bulletholestickersB.jpg Link please. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 9:42:15 PM EDT
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I was the one who said "everywhere" and admitted it was probably an exaggeration. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you calling me a liar? If you're insisting that those signs are "everywhere" in Texas, I'll just call you...uninformed. I was the one who said "everywhere" and admitted it was probably an exaggeration. Which is just a type of lying. 
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Posted: 12/19/2015 9:45:18 PM EDT
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Has anyone suggested shooting holes in the sign yet?
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:00:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is just a type of lying. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Are you calling me a liar? |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:09:47 PM EDT
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paint a dick on it. that usually solves everything That's funny, I like the ideal any way. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:12:51 PM EDT
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Wow that sucks. I open carry when I walk the dogs at night and one time the manager saw me and told me she was glad there was people like me living in the complex.
Concealed means concealed OP. Still obviously lame tho. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:16:20 PM EDT
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You cant trespass on property you have a right to be in, pursuant your lease. Sounds like management office needs a lesson in the law. I can post a sign on my lawn stating "NO FAT CHICK ALLOWED", yet they STILL manage to wake up in my bed. And legally, there is nothing I can do. Except make them pancakes and hope they don't come back. 
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:18:28 PM EDT
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My attitude these days when I see shit like that
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:19:16 PM EDT
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1. Make a sign that's identical to that sign in every way, except:
2. Make one key word or number different. Make it say 38.07, for example. 3. Replace their sign with yours. 4. ????????? 5. Profit. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:19:37 PM EDT
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Correct. Means it doesn't have to have the spanglish to be valid. No, it means that they can display a sign OR a document. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:21:49 PM EDT
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[ Correct. Means it doesn't have to have the spanglish to be valid. Not quite. They can provide a document that has the exact verbiage as defined before the word "or" OR a bilingual sign. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:25:02 PM EDT
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Put a few bullet holes in the sign. Came to post this. Me too. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:35:47 PM EDT
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Is that Magnolia? I have only seen 30.06 signs in both English and Spanish and I would expect 30.07 signs to be the same. To be sure I would email that pic to Charles Cotton over at the TexasCHLforum, he is a lawyer for gun rights out of Friendswood. I would expect that Charles could make this problem go away rather quickly...
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