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I worked over 7 years with all manner of .gov and .mil docs. I have never encountered an SF specific surgeon. I have met Flight Surgeons (who still called themselves that), but those aren't surgeons in the sense of what the general public and medical community refer to as surgeons. I think your SF surgeon was a flight surgeon on a bird used by SF guys... best guess. Google 'Special Operations Surgical Team'. Yes, SOF specific surgical team.... Wait for it... From the Air Force (AFSOC). Army calls the Surgical Resurrection Teams and the Navy calls them Shock-Trauma teams/platoons. Yep. These guys are assigned to SOF TF's and will roll with the teams they support. They will set up on the edge of the target and can crack chests with the gear they carry in their packs. No need to waste any of the 'golden hour'. Pretty high demand for the very, very, very small number of teams. The teams are usually a 5-8 man element with a couple surgeons, anesthesiologist, surgical nurse(s), and CASEVAC specialist. Anesthesiologist or nurse anesthetist? Depends on the team and task. IIRC they have both assigned. Looking for a change in scenery or maybe some new challenges? I can arrange some up close views of shitty places if you're interested! |
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The SOCCET has been rolled up into the SOST. People were getting confused with the acronyms and didn't understand the were complimentary elements and really need both to be effective. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yes, they have their own medical unit and they have surgeons. Joint Medical Augmentation Unit (JMAU) is the unit acronym they are known by. I commanded the USASOC Tier 3 med support unit (SOMEDD) which is the next lower unit. Also at Tier 3 level is AFSOC SOST/SOCCET which is a surgical/critical care evac element. Those are the only SOF specific medical units. The SOCCET has been rolled up into the SOST. People were getting confused with the acronyms and didn't understand the were complimentary elements and really need both to be effective. Did you ever come to Bragg to train with us? I invited 2 different SOST/SOCCET teams in 2012 and 2013 and we had a blast. |
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I worked over 7 years with all manner of .gov and .mil docs. I have never encountered an SF specific surgeon. I have met Flight Surgeons (who still called themselves that), but those aren't surgeons in the sense of what the general public and medical community refer to as surgeons. I think your SF surgeon was a flight surgeon on a bird used by SF guys... best guess. View Quote Or he's FOS, which is more likely. |
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Yes, they have their own medical unit and they have surgeons. Joint Medical Augmentation Unit (JMAU) is the unit acronym they are known by. I commanded the USASOC Tier 3 med support unit (SOMEDD) which is the next lower unit. Also at Tier 3 level is AFSOC SOST/SOCCET which is a surgical/critical care evac element. Those are the only SOF specific medical units. The SOCCET has been rolled up into the SOST. People were getting confused with the acronyms and didn't understand the were complimentary elements and really need both to be effective. Did you ever come to Bragg to train with us? I invited 2 different SOST/SOCCET teams in 2012 and 2013 and we had a blast. I'm just the guy behind the green curtain... They won't let me have fun anymore - I have to beg to get range time, but I still get to go to interesting places! |
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Yes, they have their own medical unit and they have surgeons. Joint Medical Augmentation Unit (JMAU) is the unit acronym they are known by. I commanded the USASOC Tier 3 med support unit (SOMEDD) which is the next lower unit. Also at Tier 3 level is AFSOC SOST/SOCCET which is a surgical/critical care evac element. Those are the only SOF specific medical units. View Quote Best answer in this thread. You commanded SOMEDD?! |
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Yes, they have their own medical unit and they have surgeons. Joint Medical Augmentation Unit (JMAU) is the unit acronym they are known by. I commanded the USASOC Tier 3 med support unit (SOMEDD) which is the next lower unit. Also at Tier 3 level is AFSOC SOST/SOCCET which is a surgical/critical care evac element. Those are the only SOF specific medical units. Best answer in this thread. You commanded SOMEDD?! Yes I did, 2012 and 2013. Fun times. |
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I worked over 7 years with all manner of .gov and .mil docs. I have never encountered an SF specific surgeon. I have met Flight Surgeons (who still called themselves that), but those aren't surgeons in the sense of what the general public and medical community refer to as surgeons. I think your SF surgeon was a flight surgeon on a bird used by SF guys... best guess. Google 'Special Operations Surgical Team'. Yes, SOF specific surgical team.... Wait for it... From the Air Force (AFSOC). I heard about these guys, they're up at UAB where a guy I trained with works. I was actually curious to see how that program was coming along, and need to give him a call. I haven't kept in touch since 2010 when they were setting this up. Interdasting indeed. special ops surgicsl team I knew they would have a nurse anesthetist before I clicked. Yep. The nurse anesthetists have a cabal in the JSOC community. True story: they all threatened to resign when an MD gas passer was nominated for inclusion into the group and the Colonel nurse pitched a fit. As far as I know, anesthesiologist is the only MD speciality specifically banned. Here's the thing, every unit large enough will have an MD assigned and SF is no exception. They are all called "surgeons," due to an archaic military tradition. A typical battalion surgeon is not even a surgeon but a graduated intern waiting on a speciality slot. Flight surgeons are usually graduated interns with add on aeromedical training--six months. Docs in the military can get duty with JSOC but there is, obviously, more criteria to meet than your average BS, but not operators by any stretch unless they were priors. They can go to airborne if they want or even ranger school and they will get front of the line for slots if they want. So yes, one can say one was a "surgeon" with SF, but they aren't going to be commandos. |
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Yes, they have their own medical unit and they have surgeons. Joint Medical Augmentation Unit (JMAU) is the unit acronym they are known by. I commanded the USASOC Tier 3 med support unit (SOMEDD) which is the next lower unit. Also at Tier 3 level is AFSOC SOST/SOCCET which is a surgical/critical care evac element. Those are the only SOF specific medical units. Best answer in this thread. You commanded SOMEDD?! Yes I did, 2012 and 2013. Fun times. Nice. I know the place well |
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He would already have been there with them. They deployed with the team, but day to day, worked in a .mil hospital doing their specialty. Operating is like any other skill, use it or lose it. Sitting around for months and months not operating would really put a cramp on a surgeon View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Buddy of mine was an army ER doc in the late 90s. He was attached to Delta not assigned. Jump wings, medical dive officer and flt surgeon were his only badges. He would be working his regular shifts in the ER at his army hospital, get a call, and be gone for 2 days or two weeks doing super secret stuff. .mil docs do their day job and some have extra training to play with the high speed guys. No big mystery. So like if a guy got shot and was holed up in a safe house in Lebanon or Laos or some shit, then they'd send him out to fix the guy up? They deployed with the team, but day to day, worked in a .mil hospital doing their specialty. Operating is like any other skill, use it or lose it. Sitting around for months and months not operating would really put a cramp on a surgeon What they did in Ramadi was stabilize the guy in the field then get them to me at the FRSS for life and limb surgery, then we'd send them to the STP in Taqqadam or Balad ir Baghdad for more definitive treatment. Great guys with an immediate supply system so they could get us stuff we needed but couldn't get through the usual channels. They also were a great supply of booze in a dry war. |
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Yep. These guys are assigned to SOF TF's and will roll with the teams they support. They will set up on the edge of the target and can crack chests with the gear they carry in their packs. No need to waste any of the 'golden hour'. Pretty high demand for the very, very, very small number of teams. The teams are usually a 5-8 man element with a couple surgeons, anesthesiologist, surgical nurse(s), and CASEVAC specialist. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I worked over 7 years with all manner of .gov and .mil docs. I have never encountered an SF specific surgeon. I have met Flight Surgeons (who still called themselves that), but those aren't surgeons in the sense of what the general public and medical community refer to as surgeons. I think your SF surgeon was a flight surgeon on a bird used by SF guys... best guess. Google 'Special Operations Surgical Team'. Yes, SOF specific surgical team.... Wait for it... From the Air Force (AFSOC). Army calls the Surgical Resurrection Teams and the Navy calls them Shock-Trauma teams/platoons. Yep. These guys are assigned to SOF TF's and will roll with the teams they support. They will set up on the edge of the target and can crack chests with the gear they carry in their packs. No need to waste any of the 'golden hour'. Pretty high demand for the very, very, very small number of teams. The teams are usually a 5-8 man element with a couple surgeons, anesthesiologist, surgical nurse(s), and CASEVAC specialist. That was my FRSS. That what we did exactly, minus the Army uniforms. |
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I worked over 7 years with all manner of .gov and .mil docs. I have never encountered an SF specific surgeon. I have met Flight Surgeons (who still called themselves that), but those aren't surgeons in the sense of what the general public and medical community refer to as surgeons. I think your SF surgeon was a flight surgeon on a bird used by SF guys... best guess. I know of no long tabbed surgeons, but their are many long tabbed and ranger tabbed ER physicians and flight surgeons out there. There was Navy Dr that had a Budweiser but he may have retired by now. I know two--an orthopedist and a general surgeon who were prior SEALS. |
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The nurse anesthetists have a cabal in the JSOC community. True story: they all threatened to resign when an MD gas passer was nominated for inclusion into the group and the Colonel nurse pitched a fit. As far as I know, anesthesiologist is the only MD speciality specifically banned. Here's the thing, every unit large enough will have an MD assigned and SF is no exception. They are all called "surgeons," due to an archaic military tradition. A typical battalion surgeon is not even a surgeon but a graduated intern waiting on a speciality slot. Flight surgeons are usually graduated interns with add on aeromedical training--six months. Docs in the military can get duty with JSOC but there is, obviously, more criteria to meet than your average BS, but not operators by any stretch unless they were priors. They can go to airborne if they want or even ranger school and they will get front of the line for slots if they want. So yes, one can say one was a "surgeon" with SF, but they aren't going to be commandos. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I worked over 7 years with all manner of .gov and .mil docs. I have never encountered an SF specific surgeon. I have met Flight Surgeons (who still called themselves that), but those aren't surgeons in the sense of what the general public and medical community refer to as surgeons. I think your SF surgeon was a flight surgeon on a bird used by SF guys... best guess. Google 'Special Operations Surgical Team'. Yes, SOF specific surgical team.... Wait for it... From the Air Force (AFSOC). I heard about these guys, they're up at UAB where a guy I trained with works. I was actually curious to see how that program was coming along, and need to give him a call. I haven't kept in touch since 2010 when they were setting this up. Interdasting indeed. special ops surgicsl team I knew they would have a nurse anesthetist before I clicked. Yep. The nurse anesthetists have a cabal in the JSOC community. True story: they all threatened to resign when an MD gas passer was nominated for inclusion into the group and the Colonel nurse pitched a fit. As far as I know, anesthesiologist is the only MD speciality specifically banned. Here's the thing, every unit large enough will have an MD assigned and SF is no exception. They are all called "surgeons," due to an archaic military tradition. A typical battalion surgeon is not even a surgeon but a graduated intern waiting on a speciality slot. Flight surgeons are usually graduated interns with add on aeromedical training--six months. Docs in the military can get duty with JSOC but there is, obviously, more criteria to meet than your average BS, but not operators by any stretch unless they were priors. They can go to airborne if they want or even ranger school and they will get front of the line for slots if they want. So yes, one can say one was a "surgeon" with SF, but they aren't going to be commandos. I'm sorry to hear that those CRNAs behaved poorly. If the guy was needed and right they should have put him in. Anesthesiologist or CRNA. But I've heard they like the anesthesiologists at hospitals They can do critical care, acute pain etc etc. the forward surgical teams simply need anesthetist role. |
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Former Surgeon General Carmona was a Green Beret. He appears to wear a Special Forces tab as a pin on his Navy-esque Surgeon General uniform.
Not sure if he was a doctor at the time. Now that I read more, I don't think he was. He worked his way up from high school dropout to Special Forces medic to paramedic to nurse to doctor, eventually becoming the Surgeon General. |
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I worked over 7 years with all manner of .gov and .mil docs. I have never encountered an SF specific surgeon. I have met Flight Surgeons (who still called themselves that), but those aren't surgeons in the sense of what the general public and medical community refer to as surgeons. I think your SF surgeon was a flight surgeon on a bird used by SF guys... best guess. I know of no long tabbed surgeons, but their are many long tabbed and ranger tabbed ER physicians and flight surgeons out there. There was Navy Dr that had a Budweiser but he may have retired by now. I know two--an orthopedist and a general surgeon who were prior SEALS. Pretty sure I used to see one of them in the chow hall at TQ in 2008. |
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http://www.stripes.com/news/former-delta-force-doctor-named-top-rural-physician-in-america-1.320439 Could be telling the truth That article gave me chills, they don't make many people like him anymore. I'm going to make it a point to meet this guy. How do you not know everyone in Raphine anyway !! |
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I worked over 7 years with all manner of .gov and .mil docs. I have never encountered an SF specific surgeon. I have met Flight Surgeons (who still called themselves that), but those aren't surgeons in the sense of what the general public and medical community refer to as surgeons. I think your SF surgeon was a flight surgeon on a bird used by SF guys... best guess. View Quote Very likely this. Not all flight surgeons are actually surgeons. My old boss was a flight surgeon with Special Forces and he was a medical specialist. In his civilian gig he would sometimes take call sitting in a tow truck while DC cops would break down the door to a drug house, in case their tacticool operators needed medical assistance during the bust. |
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LoL. Too old and fat but I have a young buddy CRNA looking at .mil. Aren't we all! It's a good gig. If he has student loans, it may even be more interesting! I'm a too old and slightly doughy MDA with some remaining student loans. Next time my in-laws come to visit, I'll lie about my age and sign up with you. |
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JSOC TFs normally deploy with a shock-trauma section, some are assigned to JSOC some are battle roster-ed to deploy with them when they deploy a large task force View Quote Makes sense considering the $$ that is poured into their training, IYAM. Aside from the whole "we want our guys to live" thing |
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I Served as a AF Flight Medicine NCO in Iraq in 2005. I am not aware of any SF type specialties that only do secret squirrel unit stuff. "Flight Surgeons" are MDs, and they aren't always surgeons. I spent most of my time dispensing go/no go pills, and treating heat related problems with maintainers. It is just a title for an MD attached to flyers.
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LoL. Too old and fat but I have a young buddy CRNA looking at .mil. Aren't we all! It's a good gig. If he has student loans, it may even be more interesting! I'm a too old and slightly doughy MDA with some remaining student loans. Next time my in-laws come to visit, I'll lie about my age and sign up with you. If that doesn't work, there is always the foreign legion, if you really need to get away. |
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JSOC TFs normally deploy with a shock-trauma section, some are assigned to JSOC some are battle roster-ed to deploy with them when they deploy a large task force View Quote Yep. One of the teams I worked with for a while had a thoracic surgeon, emergency medicine PA, and a nurse anesthetist in their complement that forward deployed with certain SMUs and set up a field OR to conduct initial stabilization of casualties who were casevac'd from the op. Medics on the ground with the teams would get them onto the chalk'd casevac bird and the casevac bird would ferry the wounded to the OR site for initial treatment and packaging before further transport to higher echelons of care. The capabilities they added were quite impressive. They weren't used much, but they made all the difference during that golden hour. |
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Yes, they have their own medical unit and they have surgeons. Joint Medical Augmentation Unit (JMAU) is the unit acronym they are known by. I commanded the USASOC Tier 3 med support unit (SOMEDD) which is the next lower unit. Also at Tier 3 level is AFSOC SOST/SOCCET which is a surgical/critical care evac element. Those are the only SOF specific medical units. Best answer in this thread. You commanded SOMEDD?! Yes I did, 2012 and 2013. Fun times. Do the SOST have civ doctors as well? I remember one setting up a field hospital on an airfield and they came to us because they didnt know how to properly use their plate carriers and ops core helmets they were just handed. Could have been air force also. |
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In the book violence of action there was an account where the surgeon was with the Rangers while they were conducting raids in Iraq.
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My buddy's dad was a SF doctor. Not sure if he was a surgeon or what. But he was SF already before they sent him to medical school. He gave me a sweet kukri the other day.
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one of the coolest Pathologists I ever worked with was an Undersea Medical Officer/Flight Surgeon? that worked directly with various Seal Groups. At one time he was also in charge of some type of Decompression Chamber system in use.
his pictures of him sky diving and undersea diving with Seal Units on Training days for fun were pretty neat. he said it was the highlight of his medical career. after he left that position, he went on to become a Pathologist. he went into private practice after retiring from his 20. his rants about obese patients were truly epic and I wished I had recorded one. his divorce was one of the nastiest things I have ever witnessed. |
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Surgeon is the title given in numerous billets in the military medicine, it is sort of an honorific
Case in point Marine Battalions, Regiments, Divisons, Groups etc hold the title of Battalion Surgeon, etc even if they are GPs So having the title group surgeon does not mean you do surgery |
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How is this not believable? JSOC personnel, especially Delta and Devgru guys, are extremely valuable national assets. Why wouldn't they have their own specialized doctors? Shit, every major sports team has a medical team.
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Yes, they do have a surgeon... If you've ever read Blackhawk Down it makes mention of the unit Surgeon and members complaining about having to moving around the medical containers he designed.
A family member is good friends with a Doc who was with them. My family member told me, the Doc didn't, though I have met him many times. One bit of information I did get was that they do have someone from the unit present if a member undergoes anything involving anstegia (stupid spell checker) at a hospital. |
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