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Link Posted: 2/2/2016 5:38:26 AM EDT
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They would spin the lack of deaths by registered machineguns to prove that gun registrations work in reducing gun deaths    
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It is interesting to consider that if the 4th can be used to secure the right to an abortion, and it kills more women (adult tax payers) per year than registered machine guns have since registration began, the argument about machine guns being dangerous is either completely false or the justices belief in and enforcement of the constitution is capricious and arbitrary.


Both of those conclusions are correct. That is what's wrong with the system.

A chart or other visual aid might be helpful at oral arguments. I know the WW2 casualty vid posted here some time back certainly made an impression on me.
They would spin the lack of deaths by registered machineguns to prove that gun registrations work in reducing gun deaths    


WE CAN'T WIN
Link Posted: 2/2/2016 9:26:39 AM EDT
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They would spin the lack of deaths by registered machineguns to prove that gun registrations work in reducing gun deaths    
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It is interesting to consider that if the 4th can be used to secure the right to an abortion, and it kills more women (adult tax payers) per year than registered machine guns have since registration began, the argument about machine guns being dangerous is either completely false or the justices belief in and enforcement of the constitution is capricious and arbitrary.


Both of those conclusions are correct. That is what's wrong with the system.

A chart or other visual aid might be helpful at oral arguments. I know the WW2 casualty vid posted here some time back certainly made an impression on me.
They would spin the lack of deaths by registered machineguns to prove that gun registrations work in reducing gun deaths    


Machine guns really are like abortions. They don't want the public to have to resort to illegal back alley  abortions machine guns, do they?
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Originally Posted By AJ_Dual:
Well, that's fine. For right now, we just want to be able to register them again.
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It is interesting to consider that if the 4th can be used to secure the right to an abortion, and it kills more women (adult tax payers) per year than registered machine guns have since registration began, the argument about machine guns being dangerous is either completely false or the justices belief in and enforcement of the constitution is capricious and arbitrary.




Both of those conclusions are correct. That is what's wrong with the system.


A chart or other visual aid might be helpful at oral arguments. I know the WW2 casualty vid posted here some time back certainly made an impression on me.
They would spin the lack of deaths by registered machineguns to prove that gun registrations work in reducing gun deaths    




Well, that's fine. For right now, we just want to be able to register them again.
From your lips to God's ears.



I have just become aware of their 'logic' over the years. If you want to read some gun grabber derp search for "common gun sense" a MN GUN grabbers site it will give you a glimpse into how they think. She never posts comments anymore in the past I enjoyed poking holes in her arguments
Link Posted: 2/2/2016 3:00:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By E-Mag:
If you want to read some gun grabber derp search for "common gun sense" a MN GUN grabbers site it will give you a glimpse into how they think. She never posts comments anymore in the past I enjoyed poking holes in her arguments
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I don't see any reference to whom is writing that stuff. Is that Heather's site?
Link Posted: 2/2/2016 4:33:32 PM EDT
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I don't see any reference to whom is writing that stuff. Is that Heather's site?
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Originally Posted By E-Mag:


If you want to read some gun grabber derp search for "common gun sense" a MN GUN grabbers site it will give you a glimpse into how they think. She never posts comments anymore in the past I enjoyed poking holes in her arguments





I don't see any reference to whom is writing that stuff. Is that Heather's site?
Joan Peterson IIRC


 






Edit about what you would think she looks like



Link Posted: 2/2/2016 4:39:01 PM EDT
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Joan Peterson IIRC  



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http://www.momsrising.org/blog/sites/default/files/styles/square_thumbnail/public/fileugQZOg?itok=wIvvgolw

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If you want to read some gun grabber derp search for "common gun sense" a MN GUN grabbers site it will give you a glimpse into how they think. She never posts comments anymore in the past I enjoyed poking holes in her arguments

I don't see any reference to whom is writing that stuff. Is that Heather's site?
Joan Peterson IIRC  



Edit about what you would think she looks like
http://www.momsrising.org/blog/sites/default/files/styles/square_thumbnail/public/fileugQZOg?itok=wIvvgolw


Interesting, never heard of her
Joan Peterson lives in Duluth, Minnesota and has been involved in the issue of gun violence prevention since the Million Mom March in 2000. Joan lost a sister in a domestic shooting 20 years ago and is working to strengthen gun laws and educate people about the causes and effects of gun violence through blogging and her involvement in organizations working on the issue. Joan is Co-President of the Northland Brady Campaign chapter, Board Chair of Protect Minnesota (an organization working to end gun violence) and sits on the Board of Trustees of the Brady Campaign. She is also a Board member of Domestic Abuse Intervention Programs, nationally and internationally known for the "Duluth Model" as a coordinated community response to domestic abuse.Joan is blogging at www.commongunsense.com.
http://www.momsrising.org/blog/users/joan-peterson
Link Posted: 2/2/2016 4:46:47 PM EDT
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Interesting, never heard of her




http://www.momsrising.org/blog/users/joan-peterson
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Originally Posted By E-Mag:


If you want to read some gun grabber derp search for "common gun sense" a MN GUN grabbers site it will give you a glimpse into how they think. She never posts comments anymore in the past I enjoyed poking holes in her arguments





I don't see any reference to whom is writing that stuff. Is that Heather's site?
Joan Peterson IIRC  
Edit about what you would think she looks like


http://www.momsrising.org/blog/sites/default/files/styles/square_thumbnail/public/fileugQZOg?itok=wIvvgolw








Interesting, never heard of her




Joan Peterson lives in Duluth, Minnesota and has been involved in the issue of gun violence prevention since the Million Mom March in 2000. Joan lost a sister in a domestic shooting 20 years ago and is working to strengthen gun laws and educate people about the causes and effects of gun violence through blogging and her involvement in organizations working on the issue. Joan is Co-President of the Northland Brady Campaign chapter, Board Chair of Protect Minnesota (an organization working to end gun violence) and sits on the Board of Trustees of the Brady Campaign. She is also a Board member of Domestic Abuse Intervention Programs, nationally and internationally known for the "Duluth Model" as a coordinated community response to domestic abuse.Joan is blogging at www.commongunsense.com.
http://www.momsrising.org/blog/users/joan-peterson
Yea her sister was married to the Lunds grocery store heir. She had a restraining order against him but showed up at his house with her new boyfriend . He killed them both and then committed scucide in custody


 
Link Posted: 2/3/2016 1:23:40 AM EDT
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Get up there with 2 m16s, identical except one pre86 and one post sample. Ask which one is more dangerous and needs to be banned? Oh can't tell the difference? Either get rid of Hughes, get rid of NFA, or go full retard and ban all mgs. Id love to see what rich anti gun assholes come out of the woodwork to save their mgs.
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Take the post sample. Pull out the auto sear.

Put in a RDIAS.

Ask the BATFE why, execpt for the 3rd hole, that gun is now legal
Link Posted: 2/3/2016 10:24:42 AM EDT
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Take the post sample. Pull out the auto sear.



Put in a RDIAS.



Ask the BATFE why, execpt for the 3rd hole, that gun is now legal
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Originally Posted By IHTFP08:

Get up there with 2 m16s, identical except one pre86 and one post sample. Ask which one is more dangerous and needs to be banned? Oh can't tell the difference? Either get rid of Hughes, get rid of NFA, or go full retard and ban all mgs. Id love to see what rich anti gun assholes come out of the woodwork to save their mgs.




Take the post sample. Pull out the auto sear.



Put in a RDIAS.



Ask the BATFE why, execpt for the 3rd hole, that gun is now legal
Oh I wish these arguements were live streamed


















Can they be?
Link Posted: 2/3/2016 10:38:24 AM EDT
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Take the post sample. Pull out the auto sear.

Put in a RDIAS.

Ask the BATFE why, execpt for the 3rd hole, that gun is now legal
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Originally Posted By IHTFP08:
Get up there with 2 m16s, identical except one pre86 and one post sample. Ask which one is more dangerous and needs to be banned? Oh can't tell the difference? Either get rid of Hughes, get rid of NFA, or go full retard and ban all mgs. Id love to see what rich anti gun assholes come out of the woodwork to save their mgs.


Take the post sample. Pull out the auto sear.

Put in a RDIAS.

Ask the BATFE why, execpt for the 3rd hole, that gun is now legal


If we're going to play courtroom games, why not bring in a 14" and a 15" shoelace and ask the court to identify which one is a machine gun.
Link Posted: 2/3/2016 5:59:11 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/3/2016 6:06:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
5th Circuit wants to hear the case the week of April 4th.  No set day yet.  Going to be a busy April.
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And now we all hope and pray for a panel of Republican appointees.
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5th Circuit wants to hear the case the week of April 4th.  No set day yet.  Going to be a busy April.
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Early April for these huh.

Yall know what else is in early April?
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Early April for these huh.

Yall know what else is in early April?
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5th Circuit wants to hear the case the week of April 4th.  No set day yet.  Going to be a busy April.



Early April for these huh.

Yall know what else is in early April?


Autism awareness day?  
Link Posted: 2/3/2016 6:55:21 PM EDT
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How in the name of Christ on a pogo stick did we go from Hollis and Watson v. Lynch to anal prolapse?
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what about anal prolapse? has that killed anyone?


I wonder if it's possible for your insides to fall out of your butthole.



How in the name of Christ on a pogo stick did we go from Hollis and Watson v. Lynch to anal prolapse?


Don't be butthurt.  It happens.

Now where is my $800 Glock 18?
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 2:30:55 AM EDT
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out of 75 recorded cases of rectal prolapse surgery over the ten years since 1995 and 2005, three of them ended in the patient dying from anal complications.

are YOU next?

hopefully nolo can get our bushmaster machine gun assault twine unbanned so we can use them as suspenders to keep our sphincters up and away from harm.  godspeed nolo.
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 6:52:15 AM EDT
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The 5th Circuit is one of the most conservative courts in the nation. That said, Obama has appointed a few lefty judges as of late to it. That's the consequences of losing an election I suppose. Regardless, I like our odds. Nolo good call sending this case through the 5th. I always knew there was a method to your 'madness.'

Link Posted: 2/4/2016 7:18:20 AM EDT
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Will we be able to sit on on the appeals?
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 1:29:35 PM EDT
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Well...4th circuit had something interesting to say re: Maryland's 2013 ban....

In our view, Maryland law implicates the core protection of
the Second Amendment—“the right of law-abiding responsible
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citizens to use arms in defense of hearth and home,” District of
Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570, 635 (2008), and we are
compelled by Heller and McDonald v. City of Chicago, 561 U.S.
742 (2010), as well as our own precedent in the wake of these
decisions, to conclude that the burden is substantial and strict
scrutiny is the applicable standard of review for Plaintiffs’
Second Amendment claim.
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http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Kolbe-v.-Hogan_Opinion.pdf

GET CRACKIN' NOLO!

FWIW, they vacated, upheld, and remanded...complicated ruling.
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 1:35:25 PM EDT
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Well...4th circuit had something interesting to say re: Maryland's 2013 ban....



http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Kolbe-v.-Hogan_Opinion.pdf

GET CRACKIN' NOLO!

FWIW, they vacated, upheld, and remanded...complicated ruling.
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Well...4th circuit had something interesting to say re: Maryland's 2013 ban....

In our view, Maryland law implicates the core protection of
the Second Amendment—“the right of law-abiding responsible
Appeal: 14-1945 Doc: 79 Filed: 02/04/2016 Pg: 6 of 90
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citizens to use arms in defense of hearth and home,” District of
Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570, 635 (2008), and we are
compelled by Heller and McDonald v. City of Chicago, 561 U.S.
742 (2010), as well as our own precedent in the wake of these
decisions, to conclude that the burden is substantial and strict
scrutiny is the applicable standard of review for Plaintiffs’
Second Amendment claim.


http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Kolbe-v.-Hogan_Opinion.pdf

GET CRACKIN' NOLO!

FWIW, they vacated, upheld, and remanded...complicated ruling.


From the 4th Circuit ruling. For fun, replace "semi automatic" with "machine gun".


First, the FSA’s ban on se mi- automatic rifles and larger- capacity magazines burdens the availability and use of a class of arms for self- defense in the home, where the protection afforded by the Second Amendment is at its greatest. It implicates the “core” of the Second Amendment:“the right of law- abiding, responsible citizens to use arms in defense of hearth and home.” Heller, 554 U.S. at634, 635; s ee Kachalsky v. County of Westchester, 701 F.3d 81, 89 (2d Cir. 2012) (“What we know from [ Heller and McDonald] is that Second Amendment guarantees are at their zenith within the home.”). At stake here is a “basic right,” McDonald, 561 U.S. at 767, “that the Framers and ratifiers of the Fourteenth Amendment counted . . . among those fundamental rights necessary t o our system of ordered liberty,” id. at 778. Indeed, “[t] he[Supreme] Court[in Heller] went to great lengths to emphasize the special place that the home— an individual's private property— occupies in our society.” GeorgiaCarry.Org, Inc. v. Georgia, 687 F.3d 1244,1259 (11th Cir. 2012).

Second, we conclude that the challenged provisions of the FSA substantially burden this fundamental right. The burden imposed in this case is not merely incidental. Maryland law imposes a complete ban on the possess ion by law- abiding citizens of AR-15 style rifles— the most popular class of centerfire semi- automatic rifles in the United States. As we explained in Section III.A., these weapons are protected under the Second Amendment. We therefore struggle to see how Maryland’s law would not substantial ly burden the core Second Amendment right to defend oneself and one’s family in the home with a firearm that is commonly possessed by law- abiding citizens for such lawful purposes. Moreover, the FSA also reaches every instance where a n AR-15 platform semi- automatic rifle or LCM might be preferable to handguns or bolt- action rifles-- for example hunting, recreational shooting, or competitive marksmanship events, all of which are lawful purposes protected by the Constitut ion. See Friedman v. City of Highland Park, 136 S. Ct.447 (Mem.) (December 7, 2015) (Thomas, J., dissenting from the denial of cert.) (“[T] he ordinance criminalizes modern sporting rifles (e.g., AR- style semiautomatic rifles), which many Americans own fo r lawful purposes like self- defense, hunting, and target shooting.”). Thus, the FSA completely prohibits, not just regulates, an entire category of weaponry.11 As Judge11 Kavanaugh noted in dissent in Heller II, prohibiting this group of weapons might be “equivalent to a ban on a category of speech.” 670 F.3d at 1285.

Contrary to the district court’s conclusion, the fact that handguns, bolt- action and other manually- loaded long guns, and, as noted earlier, a few semi- automatic rifles are still available for self- defense does not mitigate this burden. See, e.g., Jackson v. City & Cnty. of San Fran., 135 S. Ct. 2799,2801 (2015) (Thomas, J., dissenting from the denial of certiorari) (“[N] othing in our decision in Heller suggested that a law must rise to the level of the absolute prohibition at issu e in that case to constitute a ‘ substantial burden’ on the core of the Second Amendment right.”). Indeed, the Supreme Court rejected essentially the same argument in Heller— that the District of Columbia’s handgun ban did not unconstitutionally burden the right to self- defense because the law permitted the possession of long guns for home defense. See Heller, 554 U.S. at 629 (“ It is no answer to say, as petitioners do, that it is permissible to ban the possession of handguns so long as the possession of other firearms ( i.e., long guns) is allowed.”); accord Parker v. District of Columbia, 478 F.3d 370, 400 (D.C. Cir. 2007) (rejecting the District’s argument that alternative weapons rendered handgun ban lawful, calling it “frivolous,” and noting that “[i]t could be similarly contended that all firearms may be banned so lon g as sabers were permitted”); cf. Southeastern Promotions, Ltd. v. Conrad, 420 U.S. 546, 556(1975) (“[O]ne is not to have the exercise of liberty of expression in appropriate places abridged on the plea that it may be exe rcised in some other place.”). A semi- automatic rifle may not be “the quintessential self- defense weapon,” as Heller described the handgun, 554 U.S. at 629; nonetheless, as we explained previously, AR-15s and the like are commonly possessed by law- abiding citizens for self- defense and other lawful purposes and are protected under the Second Amendment.

There are legitimate reason s for citizens to favor a semi- automatic rifle over handguns in defending themselves and their families at home. The record contains evidence suggesting that“handguns are inherently less accurate than long guns” as they“are more difficult to steady” and“absorb less of the recoil . . . , reducing accuracy.” J.A. 2131. This might be an important consideration for a typical homeowner, who “under the extreme duress of an armed and advancing attacker is likely to fire at, but miss, his or her target.” J.A. 2123. “Nervousness and anxiety, lighting conditions, the presence of physical obstacles . . . and the mechanics of retreat are all factors which contribute to [the] likelihood” that the homeowner will shoot at but miss a home invader. J.A. 2123. These factors could also affect an individual’s ability to reload a firearm quickly during a home invasion. Similarly, a citizen’s ability to defend himself and his home is enhanced with an LCM.

In sum, for a law- abiding citizen who, for whatever reason, cho oses to protect his home with a semi- automatic rifle instead of a semi- automatic handgun, or possesses an LCM for use in firearms kept in the home, the FSA significantly burdens the exercise of the right to arm oneself at home. “The right to self- defense is largely meaningless if it does not include the right to choose the most effective means of defending oneself.” Friedman, 784 F.3d at 418 (Manion, J., dissenting); see id. at413 (“[T]he ultimate decision for what constitutes the most effective means of defending one’s home, family, and property resides in individual citizens and not the government. . . . The extent of danger— real or imagined— that a citizen faces at home is a matter only that person can assess in full.”). The FSA “restrict[s] the right[] of [Maryland’s] citizens to select the means by which they defend their homes and families.” Id. at 419.

As we have noted on previous occasions, “any law that would burden the ‘fundamental,’ core right of self- defense in the home by a law- abiding citi zen would be subject to strict scrutiny. But, as we move outside the home, firearm rights have always been more limited.” United States v. Masciand a ro, 638 F.3d 458,470 (4th Cir. 2011). “[T]his longstanding out- of- the- home/in- the- home distinction bears directly on the level of scrutiny applicable,” i d., with strict scrutiny applying to laws restricting the right to self- defense in the home, see Woollard v. Gallagher, 712 F.3d 865, 878 (4th Cir. 2013) (observing that restrictions on “the right to arm one self at home” necessitates the application of strict scrutiny). Strict scrutiny, then, is the appropriate level of scrutiny to apply to the ban of semi- automatic rifles and magazines holding more than 10 rounds. See Friedman, 784 F.3d at 418 (Manion, J., dissenting); cf. Heller II, 670 F.3d at 1284 (Kavanaugh, J., dissenting) (reading Heller as departing from traditional scrutiny standards but stating that “[e]ven if it were appropriate to apply one of the levels of scrutiny after Heller, surely it would be strict scrutiny rather than . . . intermediate scrutiny”).

We recognize that other courts have reached different outcomes when assessing similar bans, but we ultimately find those decisions unconvincing.
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Originally Posted By dillehayd:
Well...4th circuit had something interesting to say re: Maryland's 2013 ban....



http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Kolbe-v.-Hogan_Opinion.pdf

GET CRACKIN' NOLO!

FWIW, they vacated, upheld, and remanded...complicated ruling.
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Well...4th circuit had something interesting to say re: Maryland's 2013 ban....

In our view, Maryland law implicates the core protection of
the Second Amendment—“the right of law-abiding responsible
Appeal: 14-1945 Doc: 79 Filed: 02/04/2016 Pg: 6 of 90
7
citizens to use arms in defense of hearth and home,” District of
Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570, 635 (2008), and we are
compelled by Heller and McDonald v. City of Chicago, 561 U.S.
742 (2010), as well as our own precedent in the wake of these
decisions, to conclude that the burden is substantial and strict
scrutiny is the applicable standard of review for Plaintiffs’
Second Amendment claim.


http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Kolbe-v.-Hogan_Opinion.pdf

GET CRACKIN' NOLO!

FWIW, they vacated, upheld, and remanded...complicated ruling.

They can't seem to make themselves decide between just returning it and making the original court revue it under strict, or just bitch slapping the original judge.
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Did we win yet?
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Did we win yet?
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soon
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Quoting Xepho's "Autism awareness day?" comment, I am responding:

As someone who suffers from Autism I will be glad to increase your awareness prior to April.  Send me a PM when you are ready to start.

(not used to this interface so I screwed up the quote)
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im here for SBRs and suppressors.
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Like you said, if you can't have an integrally suppressed SBR on your nightstand, why even live?
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You, sir, are awesome.
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Very nice read.... Looking forward to the courts interpretation.
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boom. good reply.

i like shifting the burden on the govt to prove legal mgs are dangerous, and the speculation of what "could" happen if misused by a criminal.
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Like you said, if you can't have an integrally suppressed SBR on your nightstand, why even live?
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im here for SBRs and suppressors.


Like you said, if you can't have an integrally suppressed SBR on your nightstand, why even live?

Why not have a supressed MG instead?  It costs the same to build or transfer if Nolo guts the 922(0) section.
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boom. good reply.

i like shifting the burden on the govt to prove legal mgs are dangerous, and the speculation of what "could" happen if misused by a criminal.
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I just wish he had worked in the ATFs loss of several M4s from various "secured" cars over the years. Even the ATF has MGs for defense.
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Nolo...so you included an argument (Kolbe) that was just rendered today? Solid piece of work brother...SOLID AS A ROCK...
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Same sex marriage on page 1 for the win!  Get 'em Nolo.  
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 9:34:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
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Great read, much easier to follow than the ATF's circular Chewbacca defense type drivel.

Link Posted: 2/4/2016 9:39:08 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/4/2016 9:50:06 PM EDT
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Nolo...so you included an argument (Kolbe) that was just rendered today? Solid piece of work brother...SOLID AS A ROCK...
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Dude is a legal stud...
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 9:53:42 PM EDT
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Great read, much easier to follow than the ATF's circular Chewbacca defense type drivel.

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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
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Great read, much easier to follow than the ATF's circular Chewbacca defense type drivel.


ATF: ...ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!

Nolo: Damn it! ... their using the Chewbacca defense!

ATF: Why would a Wookiee, an 8-foot-tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of 2-foot-tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major government agency, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must ban machine guns! The defense rests.
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 9:57:00 PM EDT
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Dude is a legal stud...
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Nolo...so you included an argument (Kolbe) that was just rendered today? Solid piece of work brother...SOLID AS A ROCK...


Dude is a legal stud...

Link Posted: 2/4/2016 10:14:15 PM EDT
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Good work, Nolo. Very good work.
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 10:16:13 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/4/2016 10:42:56 PM EDT
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5th Circuit wants to hear the case the week of April 4th.  No set day yet.  Going to be a busy April.
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Perfect, you'll have time for CWWII.
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 10:43:35 PM EDT
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Nice work Nolo
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 10:54:58 PM EDT
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Well done
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 11:01:25 PM EDT
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I give a lot of credit to alan.  I was on the road for most of today and he sent me the opinion this morning and we discussed it.
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Originally Posted By Beach:

Nolo...so you included an argument (Kolbe) that was just rendered today? Solid piece of work brother...SOLID AS A ROCK...




I give a lot of credit to alan.  I was on the road for most of today and he sent me the opinion this morning and we discussed it.




 
Very nice.
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 11:02:58 PM EDT
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