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Posted: 10/2/2014 11:16:35 AM EDT
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AR all the way.
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Posted: 10/2/2014 11:19:41 AM EDT
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If you already have an AR or two, why not a 5.56 bolt gun? I am looking hard at the ruger American Ranch that just came out. I would rather have the mossber MVP I think but the Ranch looks to be cheaper, and I prefer the ruger American action.
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Posted: 10/2/2014 11:20:13 AM EDT
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Its a matter of taste and storage. 223 bolt actions are relatively cheap. Just watch the rifling. I have an older 223 bolt action with 1:12 so I am limited to light bullets.
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Posted: 10/2/2014 11:20:41 AM EDT
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AR all the way. That's kind of the way I'm leaning, but why? Trying to learn, Tks. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 11:26:14 AM EDT
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AR all the way. That's kind of the way I'm leaning, but why? Trying to learn, Tks. Depends on how good your stick is... and how good you are. {RodeoFan's 24" RRA, Georgia Arms Precision Plus 55gr NBT, AETEC 2.5-10x44 and 100yds} 
I haven't even had a reason to go bolt in .308, yet. Luvzmesum ARMALITE AR-10s. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 11:48:56 AM EDT
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You can build a new dedicated target upper for the price of a bolt gun.
You can have a crazy light trigger in a bolt gun, and if you reload, a bolt gun will not fling your brass. Personally, I would get the bolt gun with a pretty stock and a nice scope. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 11:54:50 AM EDT
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Since you dont have a bolt gun the answer is easy.
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Posted: 10/2/2014 11:55:05 AM EDT
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CZ 527 Varmint.
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Posted: 10/2/2014 11:55:15 AM EDT
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If I go the Ar route, what's a good scope that won't break the bank?
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Posted: 10/2/2014 11:56:24 AM EDT
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I vote bolt gun because I've always wanted one.
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Posted: 10/2/2014 11:59:31 AM EDT
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Since you dont have a bolt gun the answer is easy. I do. It's a Ruger M77 in .30-06. Just thinking what to do for a lighter, cheaper caliber. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 12:02:34 PM EDT
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I do. It's a Ruger M77 in .30-06. Just thinking what to do for a lighter, cheaper caliber. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Since you dont have a bolt gun the answer is easy. I do. It's a Ruger M77 in .30-06. Just thinking what to do for a lighter, cheaper caliber. Maybe a Savage Varmit model? I've got a CZ 527 & Rem PSS in 223, nice shooters but not the cheapest. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 12:03:17 PM EDT
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AR with non-chrome lined heavy barrel, free float and crisp 2 stage trigger will hang with bolt action guns all day long.
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Posted: 10/2/2014 12:05:09 PM EDT
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I have both. Both are accurate.
My bolt gun is more accurate. (And before you listen to anyone that says differently, go look to see if they have proven it here: One MOA All Day Long Challenge |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 12:05:38 PM EDT
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If I go the Ar route, what's a good scope that won't break the bank? Vortex Viper PST, choose your magnification. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 12:15:44 PM EDT
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Sold my 223 bolt guns after I got into ARs. Just never wanted to use them anymore and the AR is just as accurate for those distances.
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Posted: 10/2/2014 12:31:53 PM EDT
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Not a bolt, but another inexpensive .223 option is a TC Contender carbine.
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Posted: 10/2/2014 12:55:33 PM EDT
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If I go the Ar route, what's a good scope that won't break the bank? White Oak Armament 20" SDM 1/7 twist barrel. 5 shots of Hornady 75gr TAP (.223) at 85 yards I have a Vortex Viper HS, good scope for the money, IMO. 
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Posted: 10/2/2014 1:01:45 PM EDT
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Remmy 700 Sps tactical or Sps varmint in 223.
Jewel trigger and hs precision stock. Vortex scope. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 1:01:57 PM EDT
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Thanks for all the advice guys. Re scopes, what's the usual magnification choice for this? As you can tell, I dont know much about this stuff.
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Posted: 10/2/2014 1:02:17 PM EDT
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double tap
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Posted: 10/2/2014 1:08:48 PM EDT
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I'm looking hard at Ruger's new American Ranch or whatever they call it. I have a "spare" 5.56 can that needs a host, and bolt guns are nice and quiet suppressed.
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Posted: 10/2/2014 1:10:50 PM EDT
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I have both. Both are accurate. My bolt gun is more accurate. (And before you listen to anyone that says differently, go look to see if they have proven it here: One MOA All Day Long Challenge Sage advice.
Maybe someday I can post in that thread. 
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Posted: 10/2/2014 1:11:55 PM EDT
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Thanks for all the advice guys. Re scopes, what's the usual magnification choice for this? As you can tell, I dont know much about this stuff. I would check out the Vortex PST 1-4x24 mil/mil or an SWFA SS 6x42 mil/mil. Just depends on the magnification you want. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 1:12:52 PM EDT
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a .223 will barely go 300 yards, certainly not with any accuracy.
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Posted: 10/2/2014 1:14:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's kind of the way I'm leaning, but why? Trying to learn, Tks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: AR all the way. That's kind of the way I'm leaning, but why? Trying to learn, Tks. CMP Service Rifle Iron sights. (look it up)  |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 1:15:11 PM EDT
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Thanks for all the advice guys. Re scopes, what's the usual magnification choice for this? As you can tell, I dont know much about this stuff. Had a 20x nice to see the holes at 100yds. Thought about getting a 36x for my bolt guns
my AR 1x4 for all ranges
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Posted: 10/2/2014 1:15:55 PM EDT
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a .223 will barely go 300 yards, certainly not with any accuracy. 
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Posted: 10/2/2014 1:17:27 PM EDT
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a .300blk will barely go 300 yards, certainly not with any accuracy. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 1:21:21 PM EDT
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I have a Remington 700VS in 223 and its been a favorite of mine since I brought it home, nothing against ARs as I have BRD like most of us do....but a 223 bolt gun is almost a must in my book.
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Posted: 10/2/2014 1:21:50 PM EDT
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Pick up a NEF handi rifle for a cheap tack driver.
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Posted: 10/2/2014 1:24:30 PM EDT
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My .223 AR is just a plain 'ol Bushmaster 20" nothing special.
It shoots fine but is nowhere as accurate as my Winchester Model 70 Coyote medium heavy barrel .223. I suppose I could have accurized my AR, but since I like different rifles, I bought the Winchester and I prefer it for long range shooting.  Three shots at 100 yds followed by three more at 100 yds:   |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 1:35:01 PM EDT
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a .223 will barely go 300 yards, certainly not with any accuracy. I know. Realistically it'll be 100yds as that's the longest I have available to me locally. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 1:45:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for all the advice guys. Re scopes, what's the usual magnification choice for this? As you can tell, I dont know much about this stuff. It would be tough for me to hit a target at 100yds without 4x magnification. Go to a gun shop and look at scopes. Point it out the window at targets 100+yds away, and see what you think. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 1:49:56 PM EDT
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on the serious side, how "accurate" do you want? my M16a2 would put every round in 12" at 500 with iron sights, prone position unsupported. Good shooters can do much better than me.
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Posted: 10/2/2014 1:50:22 PM EDT
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It would be tough for me to hit a target at 100yds without 4x magnification. Go to a gun shop and look at scopes. Point it out the window at targets 100+yds away, and see what you think. If you want a basic scope, you can catch these Nikons on sale for about $100. http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-P-223-3-9x40-Mate-BDC/dp/B006YVT0R8 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks for all the advice guys. Re scopes, what's the usual magnification choice for this? As you can tell, I dont know much about this stuff. It would be tough for me to hit a target at 100yds without 4x magnification. Go to a gun shop and look at scopes. Point it out the window at targets 100+yds away, and see what you think. If you want a basic scope, you can catch these Nikons on sale for about $100. http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-P-223-3-9x40-Mate-BDC/dp/B006YVT0R8 I have one of these on a 16" AR. It is a very good scope for the money. |
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Posted: 10/2/2014 1:54:41 PM EDT
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Bolt guns are generally easier to shoot due to decreased lock time, and tend to be more accurate than ARs due to design.
There are very accurate examples of each, but it is cheaper to get into an accurate bolt gun than an AR, generally speaking.
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Posted: 10/2/2014 1:57:55 PM EDT
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I like both, but unless I'm really trying for tiny groups at those ranges, an AR is plenty easy to use. That said, I usually have more fun shooting my bolt guns, to be honest.
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Posted: 10/2/2014 2:05:17 PM EDT
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Build yourself a nice Savage Heavy barrel 223...way easy...
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:26:31 AM EDT
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The Ruger Americans have a 1 in 8" twist in .223 & would compliment your existing ARs. Economical rifle with a good twist is dang tempting. Quite a few configurations too.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:31:58 AM EDT
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a .300blk will barely go 300 yards, certainly not with any accuracy.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:34:48 AM EDT
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go bolt.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:37:28 AM EDT
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There are some things that can be done with a .223 bolt gun that an AR can't approach.
Long, hot 80+ grain loads are fairly impressive. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:38:42 AM EDT
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There are some things that can be done with a .223 bolt gun that an AR can't approach. Long, hot 80+ grain loads are fairly impressive. Paging TRG/ |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:39:02 AM EDT
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I'd say AR just for the fun factor. I haven't touched any of my bolt guns in a long time.
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:43:02 AM EDT
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The primary reasons to buy a bolt are price, weight, and classy wood stocks. Maybe feeding if you hand load exotic stuff.
If you're breaking $700 or 8lbs, go AR. It's a boring choice, but it makes life easier. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:47:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:51:35 AM EDT
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a .223 will barely go 300 yards, certainly not with any accuracy. 
Yeah, sure. That's why the military qualifies at 500 yds
Going to a bolt gives you the chance to go ultralight or load heavier bullets. I have a Remington mdl 7 that is lighter than some of my .22's. 
I have a 4x Redfield on it, perfect for jackrabbits. |
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:53:34 AM EDT
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A nice feature of using a bolt gun is not losing brass.
I hate losing brass. 
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Posted: 10/3/2014 11:58:19 AM EDT
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A non chromed heavy barrel ar with a 1-9 twist will shoot 55 gr bullets dam near as good as a good bolt gun, if you have 3 coyotes standing on a hill 250 yds away, an ar would be hard to beat.
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