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Posted: 12/20/2002 9:15:41 AM EDT
With the talk of the 35 billion defiict, it seems there may be some cuts made to social services. If the cuts go deep enough, is it possible that CA's welfare class will pick up and move to arizona or nevada? I don't know enough about the geography or the politics in those states, but they certainly seem to be in better shape financially. Could a mass exodus spawn two more states with the same screwed up politics of CA? Is there any defense against this? Also, how would you feel about a federal bailout of CA? would you object to your tax dollars being used for this? BTW, Anyone know how much CA could save by denying all services to all illegals?
Link Posted: 12/20/2002 9:19:01 AM EDT
screw the socialist bastards. THEY allowed it to happen. THEY either sat on their asses, did nothing, or even VOTED for the very things that got them in this mess. I don't think MY tax dollars should help those that the Caliban is screwing. Sorry Californistan members. californicators reap what your government has sown.
Link Posted: 12/20/2002 9:35:05 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/20/2002 9:35:45 AM EDT
Originally Posted By racebaiter: If the cuts go deep enough, is it possible that CA's welfare class will pick up and move to arizona or nevada? I don't know enough about the geography or the politics in those states, but they certainly seem to be in better shape financially. Could a mass exodus spawn two more states with the same screwed up politics of CA? Is there any defense against this? Also, how would you feel about a federal bailout of CA? would you object to your tax dollars being used for this?
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I don't know about Nevada, but Arizona is one of the few states in worse financial condition (per capita). Our social net is much less comprehensive than Calis (I think). As to federal bailout of ANY state - never. It is up to the people running each state to figure out how to tax, and what servies to offer. If they fail, their replacements get a chance.
Link Posted: 12/20/2002 9:41:38 AM EDT
I wrote and asked my assemblyman, Tom Harman to hold out for an amendment to limit state spending. Here is his reply. Dear Mr. (Nightstalker)[;)],   Thank you for your recent email.  Please know that I, along with my Assembly Republican colleagues, intend to do just what you suggested--hold out for an Assembly Constitutional Amendment that would limit spending.  I am eager to begin the new legislative session on January 6th.  We nned to put a lid on attempts at new and higher taxes and start making cuts to our bloated state budget.   Best Wishes for the Holiday,   Tom
Link Posted: 12/20/2002 9:41:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By raf: So, I take it that ALL Cali voters supported Grey Davis, Feinswine, et. al.? There's a lot of good folks in Cali, just not enough of them in the cities where they could offset the Libs. Seems like some people who always bash Cali paint with too broad a brush.
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Yep. Maybe this whole stinking situation will be a big phat wakeup call, and our conservative bretheren in Californistan will DO something about it. Heck, NorCal should break off from SoCal and let the big city liberal pukes deal with their problems. Revolution in California? hmmm...
Link Posted: 12/20/2002 9:59:31 AM EDT
Breaking up California into north and south won't solve any problem, as the north will have San Francisco, and the south will have Los Angeles. All that will do is adding TWO more liberal senators to the roster. Lest we forget, California took in all the hippies 30 some years ago in the sixties. If we haven't, they'd still be in YOUR states screwing YOU over.
Link Posted: 12/20/2002 10:02:54 AM EDT
Roadblocks are now going up on Interstates 10 and 40 on the Texas/NM border.
Link Posted: 12/20/2002 10:27:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Javak: Lest we forget, California took in all the hippies 30 some years ago in the sixties. If we haven't, they'd still be in YOUR states screwing YOU over.
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Hippies aren't bred in Texas! I'm pretty sure any hippy liberal bastards came from other places, like California. Regardless of who wanted it (socialists) and who didn't (our conservative bretheren), California screwed itself.
Link Posted: 12/20/2002 10:38:01 AM EDT
I live in California...have all my life. Alot of the gays and liberals are from outa state or outa country. Gays don't breed you know. As far as our budget goes the Feds should not bail us out. This will get ugly and it needs to get ugly so people will learn. I doubt the welfare people will leave in droves to other staes, most are immigrants anyways. Sgtar15
Link Posted: 12/20/2002 10:47:14 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By sgtar15: I live in California...have all my life. Alot of the gays and liberals are from outa state or outa country. [b]Gays don't breed you know.[/b] As far as our budget goes the Feds should not bail us out. This will get ugly and it needs to get ugly so people will learn. I doubt the welfare people will leave in droves to other staes, most are immigrants anyways. Sgtar15
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As Al Rantel, a conservative Republican talkshow host at KABC 790 in Los Angeles always says "Gays should be thankful for heterosexuals or else they wouldn't be here." [;)]
Link Posted: 12/20/2002 10:52:53 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/20/2002 11:29:21 AM EDT
Honest reply. Michigan in general and this area in particular used to have great jobs with really great pay for very little work or training. Those days are over, and there are no jobs and no good welfare. There are places with both, but our poor and lower class will not leave. They just will not check a map and find a place with jobs and welfare and walk down to the bus depot and get a ticket. I asked an old timeer how they got up here in the first place, given their lack of motivation to move, and he said in the 50s GM and Ford went down south and gave them jobs on the spot and then moved them all up here to break the unions by having a mixed black and white work force. Unless someone takes them by the hand and moves them they will not go.
Link Posted: 12/20/2002 11:49:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By sgtar15: I live in California...have all my life. Alot of the gays and liberals are from outa state or outa country. Gays don't breed you know. As far as our budget goes the Feds should not bail us out. This will get ugly and it needs to get ugly so people will learn. I doubt the welfare people will leave in droves to other staes, most are immigrants anyways. Sgtar15
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I guess you never heard of the Turkey baster babies, or the gay males being alowed to adopt and push the "right" sexual orientation onto their adopted children.
Link Posted: 12/20/2002 1:47:01 PM EDT
Yeah, I've heard of that cyanide, but show me the numbers because I'm betting it's very small. Do you people really think that Gays and Liberals only come from California?? Sgtar15
Link Posted: 12/20/2002 2:03:07 PM EDT
If the cuts go deep enough, is it possible that CA's welfare class will pick up and move to arizona or nevada?
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Nevada or Arizona? No. They'll go back to Mexico or Guatemala hopefully(or where ever the hell they came from). As for a federal bailout, God, I hope not. Can you imagine what a horrible precedent that would set? If a state can spend itself out of a viable fiscal existance and have the feds bail them out, what would stop liberal tax and spend types in other states from doing the same thing, which would result in a truly wrecked national economy.
Link Posted: 12/20/2002 2:10:53 PM EDT
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