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Posted: 2/24/2014 7:12:38 PM EDT
spraying from the hip then I was like this when VFGs first got all popular: Choking thicken. Unnatural and fatiging having all that weight flopping around up there, my off hand felt like atlas. Then I was like this, except that I point my index finger forward: .jpg)
still stuck on VFG b/c they are evil I guess. An improvement over Atlasing. LIke that w/ thumb on top is probably still the best way to run a very short upper. And then I was like this: 
Grasping up from the bottom. a big improvement in fatigue management and control but still a sort of twisting of the wrist that was fatiging. and now I am like this. 
Thumb on top of tube, index finger pointing forward, grasping b/t pinky/ring fingers and thumb, hand and arm inline and straight. Light at 1:30 on the tube. Problems is that i have to have an extra long hand guard b/c if my arm is not extended so that it and my hand are in a straight line, it is uncomfortable again. This shit is so ergonomic, it makes me want to toss my short SBRs in the garbage b/c if I can't reach out it just ain't right ETA: here is a better pic of how I shoot now, my index finger is actually pointed at the target. 
Point is, try it out news. Also, I agree that FF tubes w/ fixed rails, even at 12'oclock, are Ghey. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 7:15:10 PM EDT
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https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQbScADeYqBiEXQoHOLXa37crVbtsxahclE27sbFxVmPh2Iv3-oDw Choking thicken. Unnatural and fatiging having all that weight flopping around up there, my off hand felt like atlas. Then I was like this: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xq9sD6TD-NE/UeBlv93Nt6I/AAAAAAAABLY/EmHDrjWo-E4/s1600/005+(2560x1748).jpg still stuck on VFG b/c they are evil I guess And then I was like this: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VZF0Hz02TT4/TLEsQoal3OI/AAAAAAAAASU/uxHOdd7P8tU/s1600/Jerry.jpg a big improvement in fatigue management and control but still a sort of twisting of the wrist that was fatiging. and now I am like this. https://d2444os31gbwts.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/question-time-9.jpg Actually now have my palm at like 10:30 on the tube, index finger extended, middle finger sort of extended mostly just grasping b/t thumb and pinky. Sooo comfortable. Problems is that i have to have an extra long hand guard b/c if my arm is not extended so that it and my hand are in a straight line, it is uncomfortable again. This shit is so ergonomic, it makes me want to toss my short SBRs in the garbage b/c if I can't reach out it just ain't right Oper8tr gotta oper8. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 7:16:44 PM EDT
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Is this your throw away account Chris? Because I'm pretty sure none of those guys are the same guy.
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Posted: 2/24/2014 7:17:37 PM EDT
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You have to drive the weapon. LOL
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Posted: 2/24/2014 7:18:07 PM EDT
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Oper8tr gotta oper8. lol, you are not supposed to quote the OP in totuus |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 7:20:40 PM EDT
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On the last picture there's a piece of that dudes rifle and arm missing.
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Posted: 2/24/2014 7:20:53 PM EDT
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I just slap the top of the rifle really hard every time I pull the trigger..
Asserts dominance.. Then I pee on it when it's hot.. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 7:21:12 PM EDT
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You have to drive the weapon. LOL I used to think it was fanboy BS, until I got an extra long FF tube and felt it. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 7:21:32 PM EDT
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Won't your thumb get in the way of all your optics??
Sounds like a job for the Beowulf X!!!!  |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 7:21:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/24/2014 7:22:56 PM EDT
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I would do what this guys does. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 7:26:00 PM EDT
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I would do what this guys does. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I would do what this guys does. I do if I only have 12" to hold on to. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 7:28:24 PM EDT
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OP,
let me see you do that on a carbine. you must have extra short arms. ETa. I guess I type slow |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 7:29:14 PM EDT
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I would do what this guys does. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I would do what this guys does. I just had a society-changing idea. How can we get ghetto thugs to try knockout game with JM?
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Posted: 2/24/2014 7:35:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/24/2014 7:47:26 PM EDT
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I usually grasp the flash hider between my index finger and thumb, like you're handing someone a pencil.
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Posted: 2/24/2014 7:54:50 PM EDT
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i do this.
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Posted: 2/24/2014 7:59:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDoes she know, or are we talking fantasy "do"? |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 8:19:12 PM EDT
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I would do what this guys does. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I would do what this guys does. Nails it |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 8:40:02 PM EDT
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I'm thinking that if you think that option 4 is less tiring than option 1, you may have fallen victim to a post-hypnotic suggestion. Possibly in a DVD or YouTube video which you watched.
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Posted: 2/24/2014 8:46:32 PM EDT
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But are you driving the gun? ARE YOU??
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Posted: 2/24/2014 8:52:00 PM EDT
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I'm thinking that if you think that option 4 is less tiring than option 1, you may have fallen victim to a post-hypnotic suggestion. Possibly in a DVD or YouTube video which you watched. never seen any videos. I just got that 15" hand guard cause why not and then i was like "oh! I see." |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 9:14:09 PM EDT
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FPNI
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Posted: 2/24/2014 9:20:31 PM EDT
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The last position would hurt my wrist. I don't see how it wouldn't hurt everyones wrist.
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Posted: 2/24/2014 9:22:09 PM EDT
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Do people really shoot like that with their arm stretched out like some fucking mall ninja operator tard?
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Posted: 2/24/2014 9:31:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/24/2014 9:35:39 PM EDT
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Pic #2 here but with a middy so all my fingers wrapped under barrel with pinky resting against the front of the foregrip. (Or sometimes pinky below ring finger.)
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Posted: 2/24/2014 9:35:45 PM EDT
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I shoot like the last pic but I make sure my johnson is hanging to the right to counterbalance my opperator stance.
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Posted: 2/24/2014 9:46:28 PM EDT
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Not enough rail-estate you say!?
- Clint |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 9:52:59 PM EDT
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Do people really shoot like that with their arm stretched out like some fucking mall ninja operator tard? Do you even operator, bro? That's operator as operator. That's so operator what when Costa farts it comes out as a ringtone. |
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Posted: 2/24/2014 11:37:06 PM EDT
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The next step is to reverse-grip it. Put your fingers on top, and your thumb on the bottom.
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Posted: 2/25/2014 12:14:16 AM EDT
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Is this your throw away account Chris? Because I'm pretty sure none of those guys are the same guy. This 
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Posted: 2/25/2014 12:18:42 AM EDT
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Do you even operator, bro? That's operator as operator. That's so operator what when Costa farts it comes out as a ringtone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do people really shoot like that with their arm stretched out like some fucking mall ninja operator tard? Do you even operator, bro? That's operator as operator. That's so operator what when Costa farts it comes out as a ringtone. That last line is sig material. 
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Posted: 2/25/2014 12:25:27 AM EDT
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I do if I only have 12" to hold on to. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would do what this guys does. I do if I only have 12" to hold on to. Well, it's a good thing I showed up. 
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Posted: 2/25/2014 12:34:51 AM EDT
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I've never been able to tell what value extending your weak hand as far from you as possible has. You're weaker when you try to support things further from your body.
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Posted: 2/25/2014 12:37:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never been able to tell what value extending your weak hand as far from you as possible has. You're weaker when you try to support things further from your body. IMHO the professional trainers developed the technique to make regular shooting more ergonomic after getting tennis elbow then sold it as tacticool. I'm only half kidding. |
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Posted: 2/25/2014 2:18:25 AM EDT
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The next step is to reverse-grip it. Put your fingers on top, and your thumb on the bottom. This is how all the Tier1's at my range have started to roll. I must admit. Operator as all hell! I am still a nub using a forward grip :( My arms and wrist do not seem to get tired, but I chalk that up to my chronic masturbating 
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Posted: 2/25/2014 2:36:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/25/2014 2:43:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would do what this guys does. Quote HistoryQuoted: I would do what this guys does. |
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Posted: 2/25/2014 2:50:47 AM EDT
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I'm sorry, but that method of holding a rifle espoused by Costa and his fans is stupid. I doesn't provide a stable shooting platform nor does it allow you to move fluidly in a dynamic environment. Furthermore, it opens up and exposes vital areas making you a bigger target.
Failsauce. |
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Posted: 2/25/2014 2:53:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat's tactical as fuck. Like tier 87 |
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Posted: 2/25/2014 2:58:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryNailed it. |
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Posted: 2/25/2014 3:10:26 AM EDT
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Really?
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Posted: 2/25/2014 5:45:53 AM EDT
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I'm sorry, but that method of holding a rifle espoused by Costa and his fans is stupid. I doesn't provide a stable shooting platform nor does it allow you to move fluidly in a dynamic environment. Furthermore, it opens up and exposes vital areas making you a bigger target. Failsauce. It's not "stupid", it is about recoil control, and it does it well. Your other points are spot on, though. |
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Posted: 2/25/2014 5:54:17 AM EDT
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I would do what this guys does. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I would do what this guys does. Lets see Jerry and Chris shoot side by side. |
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Posted: 2/25/2014 5:58:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not "stupid", it is about recoil control, and it does it well. Your other points are spot on, though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm sorry, but that method of holding a rifle espoused by Costa and his fans is stupid. I doesn't provide a stable shooting platform nor does it allow you to move fluidly in a dynamic environment. Furthermore, it opens up and exposes vital areas making you a bigger target. Failsauce. It's not "stupid", it is about recoil control, and it does it well. Your other points are spot on, though. It's 5.56. What recoil? |
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Posted: 2/25/2014 6:03:20 AM EDT
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I do this:
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Posted: 2/25/2014 6:03:26 AM EDT
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It's 5.56. What recoil? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sorry, but that method of holding a rifle espoused by Costa and his fans is stupid. I doesn't provide a stable shooting platform nor does it allow you to move fluidly in a dynamic environment. Furthermore, it opens up and exposes vital areas making you a bigger target. Failsauce. It's not "stupid", it is about recoil control, and it does it well. Your other points are spot on, though. It's 5.56. What recoil? Apparently the M4 type carbine is heavy too, or so I've read here. |
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Posted: 2/25/2014 6:12:10 AM EDT
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marketing in action.
I love the interwebz |
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Posted: 2/25/2014 6:43:23 AM EDT
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ITT, OP needs more than 12" to grab onto
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Posted: 2/25/2014 6:56:33 AM EDT
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It's 5.56. What recoil? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sorry, but that method of holding a rifle espoused by Costa and his fans is stupid. I doesn't provide a stable shooting platform nor does it allow you to move fluidly in a dynamic environment. Furthermore, it opens up and exposes vital areas making you a bigger target. Failsauce. It's not "stupid", it is about recoil control, and it does it well. Your other points are spot on, though. It's 5.56. What recoil? Does your front sight stay perfectly aligned after pulling the trigger? No. Then there's recoil. |
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