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Posted: 12/8/2002 8:39:41 AM EDT
In the last month I've run into biker gangs on the freeway twice here in southern California. Both times it was the Mongols. Aren't those the guys who shot up another biker gang at a casino this year? Was it Hell's Angels? Anyhow everyone on the freeway turns into a little girl and starts acting paranoid, me I just pull out of the gaggle of ladies and shoot right past these guys paying no mind as they are impressing me little and just holding up traffic as far as I'm concerned. Every bad ass can be put down with lead. I learned my lesson in 94 when I got shot for thinking I was a hard ass. I posted this because my backyard is right on the freeway and I just heard a large group of bikes pass for quite a while.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 8:43:33 AM EDT
The only biker I've ever ran into was the guy a couple of years ago that ran the stop sign.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 8:46:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/8/2002 8:59:16 AM EDT by 7_62___for_me]
I see, you must be [b]the man[/b]. No?
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 8:50:26 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/8/2002 9:17:22 AM EDT
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We've got a stong Iron Horsemen contingent around my area. They pretty much stick to themselves but I have enjoyed engaging in many conversations with them at local watering holes. The only problem I ever have with them is when they are riding, one guy blocks the entire intersection (even against the red lights) and allows the horde to make their turns, usually missing an extra light. No biggie though... if that's the sort of thing that it takes to let them do their thing while keeping the peace, I can deal with it. I'd rather hang out with the bikers than some of the bible thumpers around my neighborhood.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 9:34:47 AM EDT
bible thumper..I like that.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 9:42:54 AM EDT
Scooter trash usually stick to themselves and live and let live. However, if you involve yourself in their business you are asking for trouble. And if any of the crew you see wearing a rocker on his back that says prospect, look out because he will do anything to anyone one his own or on orders or a dare from the group because he wants to become part of the crew. I've seen prospects for both the Warlocks and the Pagans (do either group still exist ) in the Philadelphia area cause more than their share of problems in local bars some years ago when I lived in that area and fequented those places.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 10:02:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/8/2002 10:03:15 AM EDT by Ponyboy]
Originally Posted By FALShootist: And if any of the crew you see wearing a rocker on his back that says prospect, look out because he will do anything to anyone one his own or on orders or a dare from the group because he wants to become part of the crew.
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Like a fraternity pledge huh? That's pretty funny. "Hey, jump on your Harley and go get us two pizzas some tacos and a can of whipped cream."..." I don't give a shit if it's 4 o'clock in the morning" [:)]
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 10:18:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 7_62___for_me: In the last month I've run into biker gangs on the freeway twice here in southern California. Both times it was the Mongols. Aren't those the guys who shot up another biker gang at a casino this year? Was it Hell's Angels? Anyhow everyone on the freeway turns into a little girl and starts acting paranoid, me I just pull out of the gaggle of ladies and shoot right past these guys paying no mind as they are impressing me little and just holding up traffic as far as I'm concerned. Every bad ass can be put down with lead. I learned my lesson in 94 when I got shot for thinking I was a hard ass. I posted this because my backyard is right on the freeway and I just heard a large group of bikes pass for quite a while.
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Surprises the HELL out of me that you're seeing Mongols flying colors in So. Cal. Are you near the border with AZ? East San Diego county? Last I knew, when I was runnin', (late 80's), there was VERY bad blood between Hells Angels and Mongols.....
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 10:46:49 AM EDT
So how does one recognize a Mongol? Had a guy ask me if I was part of that group last nite.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 10:48:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 7_62___for_me: I learned my lesson in 94 when I got shot for thinking I was a hard ass.
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sorry man, but that is absolutely hilarious to me.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 10:52:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By lucasf: So how does one recognize a Mongol? Had a guy ask me if I was part of that group last nite.
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They are heavily tattooed with lots of piercings and look a lot like a Hari Krishna. [:D]
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 10:56:08 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 1GUNRUNNER:
Originally Posted By 7_62___for_me: I learned my lesson in 94 when I got shot for thinking I was a hard ass.
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sorry man, but that is absolutely hilarious to me.
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LOL!
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 10:56:48 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 11:36:33 AM EDT
I heard the Mongols were a Hispanic gang that is trying to cut into Hell's Angels territory. Supposedly LEO's think a big turf war is going to go down. Other biker gangs are being forced to pick sides by the Mongols.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 11:40:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/8/2002 11:23:23 PM EDT by freeride21a]
762, I was traveling on the weekend of that shooting in laughlin, and i remember seeing bikers EVERYWHERE, mostly going AWAY from laughlin, but they were not in groups, they scattered like cockroaches after that, so I saw singles and doubles and maybe one triple group. edited because of bad memory
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 12:11:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FALShootist: -snip- I've seen prospects for both the Warlocks and the Pagans (do either group still exist ) in the Philadelphia area cause more than their share of problems in local bars some years ago when I lived in that area and fequented those places.
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Both gangs are still around. Neither is as active as they were in the late 70's-80's.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 12:26:34 PM EDT
Back years ago I was friends with a gang member. The guy looked like Hagrid from Harry Potter. His name was Animal. I always felt pretty safe when we went bar hopping together. [;)]
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 12:33:43 PM EDT
I can't say I've seen a motorcycle gang. Now I have seen a couple of middle-aged guys cruising around together on brand new shiney harleys, but thats it
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 12:34:00 PM EDT
OK so Aimless and 1Gunrunner win the "Expert in the bloody obvious" award for the day. But seriously do the Mongols have some special haircut that they all sport??? Buddys only half a word :-)
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 12:47:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DonR: Back years ago I was friends with a gang member. The guy looked like Hagrid from Harry Potter. His name was Animal. I always felt pretty safe when we went bar hopping together. [;)]
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WTF am I; chopped liver?! [>:/]
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 12:48:30 PM EDT
Its not the bikers I'm worried about....Its the soccer mom's. They are the real hazard on the road.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 12:57:43 PM EDT
I used to live around a bunch of bikers and biker wannabees. Mainly Hell's Angels, and Gypsy Jokers. Didn't really have any problems with them, but I will not ever live around them again. Personnally, I find these biker wannabees, to be childish, and I wish they would run into a number of Gypsy Jokers and get their butts kicked.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 1:04:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 1GUNRUNNER: WTF am I; chopped liver?! [>:/]
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You're much prettier than he was! [:D]
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 1:45:41 PM EDT
California, Labor Day weekend. . . early, with ocean fog still in the streets, outlaw motorcyclists wearing chains, shades and greasy Levi's roll out from damp garages, all-night diners and cast-off one-night pads in Frisco, Hollywood, Berdoo and East Oakland, heading for the Monterey peninsula, north of Big Sur. . . The Menace is loose again, the Hell's Angels, the hundred-carat headline, running fast and loud on the early morning freeway, low in the saddle, nobody smiles, jamming crazy through traffic and ninety miles an hour down the center stripe, missing by inches. . . like Genghis Khan on an iron horse, a monster steed with a fiery anus, flat out through the eye of a beer can and up your daughter's leg with no quarter asked and none given; show the squares some class, give em a whiff of those kicks they'll never know. . . Ah, these righteous dudes, they love to screw it on. . . Little Jesus, the Gimp, Chocolate George, Buzzard, Zorro, Hambone, Clean Cut, Tiny, Terry the Tramp, Frenchy, Mouldy Marvin, Mother Miles, Dirty Ed, Chuck the Duck, Fat Freddy, Filthy Phil, Charger Charley the Child Molester, Crazy Cross, Puff, Magoo, Animal and at least a hundred more. . . tense for the action, long hair in the wind, beards and ban­danas flapping, earrings, armpits, chain whips, swastikas and stripped-down Harleys flashing chrome as traffic on 101 moves over, nervous, to let the formation pass like a burst of dirty thunder. . .
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 2:12:01 PM EDT
I had a little run-in with some of the Sons of Silence about eight years ago when I worked in a local gunshop. They were being assholes and decided to wait on me in the parking lot at closing. They're real fuckin' brave when there's five of them.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 2:26:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By QuietShootr: They're real fuckin' brave when there's five of them.
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......I think this about sums up my thoughts on THESE types.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 2:40:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By QuietShootr: I had a little run-in with some of the Sons of Silence about eight years ago when I worked in a local gunshop. They were being assholes and decided to wait on me in the parking lot at closing. They're real fuckin' brave when there's five of them.
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So what was the deal? Did you only have 4 bullets on you? [;)]
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 3:00:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By QuietShootr: I had a little run-in with some of the Sons of Silence about eight years ago when I worked in a local gunshop. They were being assholes and decided to wait on me in the parking lot at closing. They're real fuckin' brave when there's five of them.
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The Sons used to be a pretty bad bunch to piss off, and yes all biker gangs fight in force. But the Sons got their attitudes adjusted back in APR. '93 when their "Enforcer" Paul Kline aka PK and a few others got their candles extinguished in a fight with a local hillbilly. He walked in to their favorite watering hole carrying a small arsenal including a 1911 and an AK47. He walked out, they got body bagged and carried out. The best part was I think he only got probation or something like that. They haven't been nowhere near as notorious since then, PK was the #1 reason most feared the Sons. He was suspected of being directly involved in 100's of murders and indirectly with 100's more. Poor li'l guy, we'll sure miss him around here.[:D] [:P] Karl.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 3:40:24 PM EDT
Hell Angels are more worried about protecting their trademarks than anything else anymore. I live and work in Southern California. We have exactly ZERO biker gang related crime in my patrol area.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 4:03:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AR15fan: Hell Angels are more worried about protecting their trademarks than anything else anymore. I live and work in Southern California. We have exactly ZERO biker gang related crime in my patrol area.
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You know things have changed when Sonny barger has his own line of condiments. [url]http://sonnybargercycles.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=28[/url]
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 4:06:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 1GUNRUNNER:
Originally Posted By 7_62___for_me: I learned my lesson in 94 when I got shot for thinking I was a hard ass.
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sorry man, but that is absolutely hilarious to me.
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ok, I get it. Your payback line is in order. I guess we're even.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 4:07:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
Originally Posted By FALShootist: And if any of the crew you see wearing a rocker on his back that says prospect, look out because he will do anything to anyone one his own or on orders or a dare from the group because he wants to become part of the crew.
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Like a fraternity pledge huh? That's pretty funny. If you knew anything about it, you wouldn't think it was so funny. AB
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 4:08:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FALShootist: I've seen prospects for both the Warlocks and the Pagans (do either group still exist ) in the Philadelphia area cause more than their share of problems in local bars some years ago when I lived in that area and fequented those places.
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FUCK THE GODDAMN PAGANS!!!!! They killed a buddy of mine back in '86. I used to hang out with a few of them back in '93-'94, until one of their guys decided to have a bit too much to drink and started fucking with me. I didn't get into a fight or anything, but I knew that if it came down to it, no matter who I knew in the pagans, I would get stomped by a bunch of them. Then they had a guy come up from Georgia to kill my buddy. They finally got the local pres on drug charges, even though they couldn't get him for the murder. My buddy was killed in his truck for gods sake!!!!. But he got one of them, and shot the one who was convicted in the right forearm. He was stabbed 38 times, but it was the shot to the head that killed him... The Pagans can eat shit and fucking die......All of them.....
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 4:08:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By liberty86:
Originally Posted By 7_62___for_me: In the last month I've run into biker gangs on the freeway twice here in southern California. Both times it was the Mongols. Aren't those the guys who shot up another biker gang at a casino this year? Was it Hell's Angels? Anyhow everyone on the freeway turns into a little girl and starts acting paranoid, me I just pull out of the gaggle of ladies and shoot right past these guys paying no mind as they are impressing me little and just holding up traffic as far as I'm concerned. Every bad ass can be put down with lead. I learned my lesson in 94 when I got shot for thinking I was a hard ass. I posted this because my backyard is right on the freeway and I just heard a large group of bikes pass for quite a while.
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Surprises the HELL out of me that you're seeing Mongols flying colors in So. Cal. Are you near the border with AZ? East San Diego county? Last I knew, when I was runnin', (late 80's), there was VERY bad blood between Hells Angels and Mongols.....
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There still is. AB
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 4:10:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bigdb1:
Originally Posted By FALShootist: -snip- I've seen prospects for both the Warlocks and the Pagans (do either group still exist ) in the Philadelphia area cause more than their share of problems in local bars some years ago when I lived in that area and fequented those places.
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Both gangs are still around. Neither is as active as they were in the late 70's-80's.
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The PAGANS are still very much "active". AB
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 4:13:37 PM EDT
I live off the 60 freeway 18 miles from the city of Los Angeles.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 4:14:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By QuietShootr: I had a little run-in with some of the Sons of Silence about eight years ago when I worked in a local gunshop. They were being assholes and decided to wait on me in the parking lot at closing. They're real fuckin' brave when there's five of them.
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Strength in numbers my friend. AB
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 4:15:22 PM EDT
Oh yeah for the guy asking about how you would identify a biker/gangmember. Showing their colors is wearing their biker jacket with the name or logo on the back.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 4:24:04 PM EDT
From the mongols website • ALHAMBRA • SAN FERNANDO VALLEY • PARAMOUNT • ARTESIA • HARBOR • PICO • AZUSA • HIGHLAND PARK • PUENTE • BAKERSFIELD • HOLLISTER • SEMEAD • BALDWIN PARK • HOLLYWOOD (coming soon) • SAN JOSE • BOYLE HEIGHTS •LOS ANGELES • SERENO • CAMARILLO • LONG BEACH • SO CAL • CEN CAL • MODESTO • SOUTH BAY • CHINO • MONTEBELLO • SOUTH GATE • COAST LINE • NOMADS • WEST SIDE • COVINA • NORWALK • WHITTIER • DAGO • OAKLAND (Coming Soon) • INLAND EMPIRE • EAST L.A. • ORANGE COUNTY • SAN GABRIEL VALLEY • ECHO PARK • OXNARD • EL MONTE • PASADENA (Coming Soon) • HACIENDA HEIGHTS • POMONA • SANTA FE SPRINGS None of the biker gangs are innocent, but like anything else there are good and bad people in all the gangs. Mind you own business and 99% of the time nobody would bother you. There is and will always be bad blood between some of the gangs - life goes on for the rest of us. Ropes
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 4:29:10 PM EDT
Pagans are indeed active, If I do see the its useally in the Easton/Philipsburg area. There are also others closer to this area. tc6969 pretty much got it right...
1. Dont touch their motorcycles. 2. Be polite to their women.
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I also Agree with Paul.. I have more concerne about running into gangbangers/wannabe gangbangers in the area.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 4:45:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By freeride21a: 762, I was traveling on the weekend of that shooting in vegas, and i remember seeing bikers EVERYWHERE, mostly going AWAY from vegas, but they were not in groups, they scattered like cockroaches after that, so I saw singles and doubles and maybe one triple group.
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too bad the shooting was in laughlin during the river run. ian
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 4:58:40 PM EDT
They are mostly into more serious organized crime these days. As a citizen, your chances of having any problems with them are close to zero. My mom got stuck at rest stop on a storm with a few hundred bikers on their way to Sturges a few years back and they were extremely polite and courteous. As a LEO, you have a more problematic time. They will hurt you if they think they can get away with it. Don't take any crap from them and take immediate control in a respectful manner. If you do get on their wrong side, make sure you have lots of spare mags and put them down hard and fast.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 4:59:42 PM EDT
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Saw four Gypsys last night at the package store. I've worked with them, drank with them and partied with them. Years ago, seems all the bars I went to where biker bars. Odd cause I've always been considered a shitkicker.
Originally Posted By albob:
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
Originally Posted By FALShootist: And if any of the crew you see wearing a rocker on his back that says prospect, look out because he will do anything to anyone one his own or on orders or a dare from the group because he wants to become part of the crew.
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Like a fraternity pledge huh? That's pretty funny. If you knew anything about it, you wouldn't think it was so funny. AB
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Very, Very True. They will do anything to get in the club. Get beer, get, woman, cut you, shoot you or what ever he's told to do at any given time, which he will with out question. Ever hear of 1%. Never call a "Prospect" -- "Prospect" thinking that's his name, trust me and believe me....it ain't.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 6:36:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 7_62___for_me: Oh yeah for the guy asking about how you would identify a biker/gangmember. Showing their colors is wearing their biker jacket with the name or logo on the back.
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Yes I know that, I wear a leather jacket with a cut off jean jacket over top myself. My question was about specific haircuts that the Mongols sport, as my haircut was what prompted the guy to ask if I was part of that gang.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 7:35:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
Originally Posted By QuietShootr: I had a little run-in with some of the Sons of Silence about eight years ago when I worked in a local gunshop. They were being assholes and decided to wait on me in the parking lot at closing. They're real fuckin' brave when there's five of them.
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So what was the deal? Did you only have 4 bullets on you? [;)]
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I'd like to regale you with a tale of how I splattered bikers all over the parking lot....unfortunately that isn't what happened. No blood was shed by either side, we eventually agreed to disagree, and they moved on. Which I like to think was due to the fact that I was absolutely about to drop the hammer on all five of them, and I think they actually had a little respect for that. They MAY have gotten me too, but at least a few of them would have been prying .45s out of their craniums. No harm, no foul. Lesson learned - don't fold. I really think if I'd shown any outward sign of fright or intimidation that they would have been all over me. I didn't bad-ass my way out of it, don't misunderstand me...it was more like, "We can take this guy...but how come he doesn't look scared?" It puzzles the simian mind when they beat their chests and you don't wet your pants and run. QS
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 8:52:36 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 9:21:36 PM EDT
"Scooter Trash" - kinda makes them seem tolerable. I prefer "unwashed body". While 98% of the time everyone is correct - don't start nothing - won't be nothing. However, when dealing with a crankster gangster - anything is possible. IMO, the banker bikers are always good for a laugh, esp when the try to emulate the "beautiful people" - cuz if they really knew, it scare the shit out of them. Secondly, half of the folks now days with "sleaves" are just young freaks that are displaying high quality body art. Wheen ya see prison quality tats - different deal. Better than dealin with a boogy...
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 9:46:36 PM EDT
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[img]www.outlawsmc.com/patch_usa1.gif[/img] This is the main gang in Florida and from looking at their web page, many other states as well. They're shit as far as I'm concerned.
Link Posted: 12/8/2002 10:36:43 PM EDT
Hells Angels, Mongols both have Southern California roots Hells Angels Taking its name from a World War II bomber squadron, the Hells Angels began in 1948 in Fontana, Calif., as a loose-knit group of motorcycle riders. By the 1960s, the group had gained cultural icon status, thanks in part to movies and books depicting the gang. Under the leadership of Sonny Barger, Hells Angels clubs flourished throughout the 1960s. In the 1970s, authorities linked the Hells Angels to drug dealing, weapons violations, prostitution and murder. The period also was marked by gang wars between Hells Angels and other outlaw biker gangs, including the Mongols. In 1975, the federal government launched an investigation into the activities of the Hells Angels. In the 1980s, the Hells Angels' public image changed as its membership grew to include young professionals and weekend riders. Chapters also held fund-raisers, such as a children's toy drives. However, authorities said, the organization remained involved in criminal activity. ------ Mongols One of the smallest and lesser known of the motorcycle gangs, the Mongols began in Los Angeles in the1970s. The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms once called it "the most dangerous outlaw motorcycle gang in the country." More than 50 members were arrested in 2000 after a three-year undercover federal investigation. In his autobiography "I Ain't Got Time to Bleed," Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura wrote that he spent about nine months riding Harleys with the gang in 1973. He said he rose to prominence in the gang because he was respected for being a Navy Seal. "When I was voted in, I became sergeant at arms, which was third in command of our chapter. But eventually, after I got my patch and became a full member, I started to see that it was a dead-end trip," he wrote. "I wanted to do more with my life. There were guys in the club, forty, fifty years old, who really had nothing but their Harleys. ... I wanted more out of life than that. So I rode with the club for about nine months, then I came home to Minnesota and started college."
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