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Link Posted: 12/17/2013 10:34:29 AM EDT
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If a thousand gun owners can each spend 2 minutes and it causes one of their managers a little stress, I'll take it.
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Toby is a arrogant douche, sending them a message won't do shit.


If a thousand gun owners can each spend 2 minutes and it causes one of their managers a little stress, I'll take it.


Get after it all you want.   If you ever meet him you'll see what I mean though.
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 10:35:20 AM EDT
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In Virginia this is up to the property owners; some do, some don't. Most don't post signs, regardless of their policies.
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Is this PR supposed to make me like the guy? He held a gun...yay. Others have posted that he's a big Obama supporter and a Democrat, he wouldn't be the first one that visited troops.


Have you been in one of the locations on a Friday or Saturday evening?


No. I had never heard of the restaurant prior to it coming here, and it hasn't opened yet.


Do the bars near you allow normally weapons inside?


In Virginia this is up to the property owners; some do, some don't. Most don't post signs, regardless of their policies.


I have one 10 minutes from me. Regardless of the kitschy applebees environment for lunch, it turns into a rowdy line dance bar weeknights and weekends. It's a bar. It has all the symptoms of a BAR. We don't need to "fuck toby keith sideways with a cactus" because a company that licensed his name doesn't want weapons in a place that is a full fledged BAR weeknights and weekends.



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Is this PR supposed to make me like the guy? He held a gun...yay. Others have posted that he's a big Obama supporter and a Democrat, he wouldn't be the first one that visited troops.






Have you been in one of the locations on a Friday or Saturday evening?








No. I had never heard of the restaurant prior to it coming here, and it hasn't opened yet.






Do the bars near you allow normally weapons inside?
I was at one in West Virginia where I was once loaned a pistol so I could shoot it into the ceiling, like everyone else.  That was a great road trip.





 
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 10:35:34 AM EDT
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Fuck him and his garbage music
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 10:36:08 AM EDT
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I've always thought Toby Keith was a buffoon.
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 10:36:45 AM EDT
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I really like Toby Keith, hes a great artist and an avid supporter of America and our military. Hell this year he finished his 11th USO tour this year.. Hes been to both Iraq and Afghanistan a few times to perform for troops, if the guy wants to open a bar and request you don't bring in your conceal weapons, I would respect his request. The last thing you can call this guy is anti-american

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I would venture to guess Toby is locked into a contract for displaying his name on the bar and probably disagrees with the policy. It would be great to hear him come out and say so; perhaps he will if enough people pay attention. Several here have said that he's a big Obama supporter and Democrat which I thought was interesting too. I wonder if that's true.
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 10:39:05 AM EDT
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I have one 10 minutes from me. Regardless of the kitschy applebees environment for lunch, it turns into a rowdy line dance bar weeknights and weekends. It's a bar. It has all the symptoms of a BAR. We don't need to "fuck toby keith sideways with a cactus" because a company that licensed his name doesn't want weapons in a place that is a full fledged BAR weeknights and weekends.

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In Virginia, you're allowed to carry in bars. Crimes occur in bars. Bars get robbed. Mass shootings have occurred in restaurants. I prefer to take the risks that go along with freedom, rather than hand holding from "window dressing" security policies. JMHO.
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 10:39:34 AM EDT
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I'll make sure to bomb those links with comments.
And spread the word around here as well.

He can take his shitty food and shove it up his fake country ass.
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 10:41:32 AM EDT
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He can take his shitty food and shove it up his fake country ass.
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Link Posted: 12/17/2013 10:49:55 AM EDT
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Have one here in NN...almost literally across the street from my office.

The food sucks.

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I'm in hampton. I had no idea there was one there. Well I know not to go now.
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 10:52:19 AM EDT
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In Virginia, you're allowed to carry in bars. Crimes occur in bars. Bars get robbed. Mass shootings have occurred in restaurants. I prefer to take the risks that go along with freedom, rather than hand holding from "window dressing" security policies. JMHO.


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Prohibited Conduct and Where Unlawful to Carry - Section 18.2-308.012

Any person permitted to carry a concealed handgun who is under the influence of alcohol or illegal drugs while carrying such handgun in a public place is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. Conviction of any of the following offenses shall be prima facie evidence, subject to rebuttal, that the person is "under the influence" for purposes of this section: manslaughter in violation of Section 18.2-36.1, maiming in violation of Section 18.2-51.4, driving while intoxicated in violation of Section 18.2-266, public intoxication in violation of Section 18.2-388, or driving while intoxicated in violation of Section 46.2-341.24.

No person who carries a concealed handgun onto the premises of any restaurant or club as defined in Section 4.1-100 for which a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption has been granted by the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board under Title 4.1 of the Code of Virginia; may consume an alcoholic beverage while on the premises. A person who carries a concealed handgun onto the premises of such a restaurant or club and consumes alcoholic beverages is guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor. However, nothing in this subsection shall apply to a federal, state, or local law-enforcement officer.

Section 18.2-308.01: Private property when prohibited by the owner of the property, or where posted as prohibited.
http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_ResidentConcealed.shtm#WhereUnlawfultoCarry

Link Posted: 12/17/2013 10:54:03 AM EDT
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food sucked ass at the one in Syracuse, NY anyways.  



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I think that's the "theme" of all "theme" restaurants.



 
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 10:58:58 AM EDT
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Prohibited Conduct and Where Unlawful to Carry - Section 18.2-308.012

Any person permitted to carry a concealed handgun who is under the influence of alcohol or illegal drugs while carrying such handgun in a public place is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. Conviction of any of the following offenses shall be prima facie evidence, subject to rebuttal, that the person is "under the influence" for purposes of this section: manslaughter in violation of Section 18.2-36.1, maiming in violation of Section 18.2-51.4, driving while intoxicated in violation of Section 18.2-266, public intoxication in violation of Section 18.2-388, or driving while intoxicated in violation of Section 46.2-341.24.

No person who carries a concealed handgun onto the premises of any restaurant or club as defined in Section 4.1-100 for which a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption has been granted by the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board under Title 4.1 of the Code of Virginia; may consume an alcoholic beverage while on the premises. A person who carries a concealed handgun onto the premises of such a restaurant or club and consumes alcoholic beverages is guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor. However, nothing in this subsection shall apply to a federal, state, or local law-enforcement officer.

Section 18.2-308.01: Private property when prohibited by the owner of the property, or where posted as prohibited.
http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_ResidentConcealed.shtm#WhereUnlawfultoCarry



Hmm...looks like the VSP needs to update their website; that would appear to be the older code. Law was changed in 2010:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/2010/03/va_general_assembly_approves_b.html
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 11:30:50 AM EDT
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Well that was easy to confirm...he says he's a Democrat.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/19/toby-keith-praises-obama_n_119930.html
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 11:35:07 AM EDT
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In Virginia, you're allowed to carry in bars. Crimes occur in bars. Bars get robbed. Mass shootings have occurred in restaurants. I prefer to take the risks that go along with freedom, rather than hand holding from "window dressing" security policies. JMHO.
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I have one 10 minutes from me. Regardless of the kitschy applebees environment for lunch, it turns into a rowdy line dance bar weeknights and weekends. It's a bar. It has all the symptoms of a BAR. We don't need to "fuck toby keith sideways with a cactus" because a company that licensed his name doesn't want weapons in a place that is a full fledged BAR weeknights and weekends.



In Virginia, you're allowed to carry in bars. Crimes occur in bars. Bars get robbed. Mass shootings have occurred in restaurants. I prefer to take the risks that go along with freedom, rather than hand holding from "window dressing" security policies. JMHO.


We also don't have "bars".

We have restaurants that can serve alcohol.
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The article describes him as a Democrat...who broke ranks to support Perry. Poor guy seems as confused as Bloomberg.
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 11:44:37 AM EDT
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Guy's a fag like most of those country pop star twinks.  I'd rather go to Tilted Kilt where I can pack heat and get an eyeful of barely covered up tits.
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 11:45:45 AM EDT
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We also don't have "bars".

We have restaurants that can serve alcohol.
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I have one 10 minutes from me. Regardless of the kitschy applebees environment for lunch, it turns into a rowdy line dance bar weeknights and weekends. It's a bar. It has all the symptoms of a BAR. We don't need to "fuck toby keith sideways with a cactus" because a company that licensed his name doesn't want weapons in a place that is a full fledged BAR weeknights and weekends.



In Virginia, you're allowed to carry in bars. Crimes occur in bars. Bars get robbed. Mass shootings have occurred in restaurants. I prefer to take the risks that go along with freedom, rather than hand holding from "window dressing" security policies. JMHO.


We also don't have "bars".

We have restaurants that can serve alcohol.


I know all too well and have some experience with the ABC. My family owns three restaurants in Virginia. Note that Toby Keith's place has "Bar" right in the name too.
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 11:48:57 AM EDT
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Get after it all you want.   If you ever meet him you'll see what I mean though.
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Toby is a arrogant douche, sending them a message won't do shit.


If a thousand gun owners can each spend 2 minutes and it causes one of their managers a little stress, I'll take it.


Get after it all you want.   If you ever meet him you'll see what I mean though.


My wife was given a pass to meet him while he and his band took a break in the middle of a concert he had here in Boise (February 2003).  She said he was very tall, and very personable.  

FWIW.

First concert I ever attended, and his expressed disdain for the Dixie Chicks and Tom Brokaw met with cheers of approval.

From what I've read, he isn't "anti-gun".  Then again, he comes from a family of dimocRats, so who knows?
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 11:52:17 AM EDT
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lol!

I concur...
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 12:04:46 PM EDT
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Which is fine in some states...if you get made, all they can do is ask you to leave, then call the cops to have you arrested for trespass if you refuse to leave. Other states it can be a misdemeanor if they discover that you are carrying where it is posted "no guns" in accordance with the local laws. While concealed means concealed, there is always that off chance that your shirt gets snagged, you inadvertently print, your gun falls out of the holster, etc, etc.
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Fuck Toby he has a girls name
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Toby Wong?
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 12:07:12 PM EDT
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His property, his choice. I will not spend money there.

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Fucking charlie chan.
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 12:11:57 PM EDT
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Toby Keith is a piece of shit for far more reasons than this story
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 12:17:16 PM EDT
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I remember when Woodbidge was country, it ain't no more.

He'll do just fine without us
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I remember when Woodbidge was country, it ain't no more.

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Me too...I remember when Dale Blvd ended at trees, and the airport was still operational on Old Bridge Rd.
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He must be smoking weed with Willie again................
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 12:25:22 PM EDT
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Which kind?  There are several varieties.

May I suggest the Chaparral Cactus and get larger.
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 12:29:08 PM EDT
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Hmm...looks like the VSP needs to update their website; that would appear to be the older code. Law was changed in 2010:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/2010/03/va_general_assembly_approves_b.html
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In Virginia, you're allowed to carry in bars. Crimes occur in bars. Bars get robbed. Mass shootings have occurred in restaurants. I prefer to take the risks that go along with freedom, rather than hand holding from "window dressing" security policies. JMHO.


hmm.


Prohibited Conduct and Where Unlawful to Carry - Section 18.2-308.012

Any person permitted to carry a concealed handgun who is under the influence of alcohol or illegal drugs while carrying such handgun in a public place is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. Conviction of any of the following offenses shall be prima facie evidence, subject to rebuttal, that the person is "under the influence" for purposes of this section: manslaughter in violation of Section 18.2-36.1, maiming in violation of Section 18.2-51.4, driving while intoxicated in violation of Section 18.2-266, public intoxication in violation of Section 18.2-388, or driving while intoxicated in violation of Section 46.2-341.24.

No person who carries a concealed handgun onto the premises of any restaurant or club as defined in Section 4.1-100 for which a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption has been granted by the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board under Title 4.1 of the Code of Virginia; may consume an alcoholic beverage while on the premises. A person who carries a concealed handgun onto the premises of such a restaurant or club and consumes alcoholic beverages is guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor. However, nothing in this subsection shall apply to a federal, state, or local law-enforcement officer.

Section 18.2-308.01: Private property when prohibited by the owner of the property, or where posted as prohibited.
http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_ResidentConcealed.shtm#WhereUnlawfultoCarry



Hmm...looks like the VSP needs to update their website; that would appear to be the older code. Law was changed in 2010:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/2010/03/va_general_assembly_approves_b.html


The VSP site has the correct info as does the paragraph above.  You just can't drink in the bar while carrying.
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 12:30:26 PM EDT
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Good idea.
What kind of hypocritical bulldozer bullshit is this
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 12:37:46 PM EDT
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this is what i posted on their FB page:

I heard about your "No guns permitted" sign. Will you also be forbidding other rights guaranteed by the constitution? perhaps pray before the meal? what about free speech in general?
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FYI, those rights don't guarantee your practice of them on other people's property.


They COULD put a sign up there that said "no praying. no talking."   And if you chose to go eat there, your rights would not be infringed upon.

That said, I had no idea Toby Queef was opening a restaurant.   So, enthusiasm to eat there is still pegged at about negative 2% with 2% margin of error.
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 12:37:50 PM EDT
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Prohibited Conduct and Where Unlawful to Carry - Section 18.2-308.012

Any person permitted to carry a concealed handgun who is under the influence of alcohol or illegal drugs while carrying such handgun in a public place is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. Conviction of any of the following offenses shall be prima facie evidence, subject to rebuttal, that the person is "under the influence" for purposes of this section: manslaughter in violation of Section 18.2-36.1, maiming in violation of Section 18.2-51.4, driving while intoxicated in violation of Section 18.2-266, public intoxication in violation of Section 18.2-388, or driving while intoxicated in violation of Section 46.2-341.24.

No person who carries a concealed handgun onto the premises of any restaurant or club as defined in Section 4.1-100 for which a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption has been granted by the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board under Title 4.1 of the Code of Virginia; may consume an alcoholic beverage while on the premises. A person who carries a concealed handgun onto the premises of such a restaurant or club and consumes alcoholic beverages is guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor. However, nothing in this subsection shall apply to a federal, state, or local law-enforcement officer.

Section 18.2-308.01: Private property when prohibited by the owner of the property, or where posted as prohibited.
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Ahh, right, I missed the whole "may consume an alcoholic beverage while on the premises" part. Thank you.
Link Posted: 12/17/2013 12:45:40 PM EDT
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A franchise in NOVA with a demtard owner. Toby Keith is a blue dog demtard who voted for the kenyan, supports Al Gore and Hill Clinton. They never heard of Luby's Cafeteria and Suzanna Hupp. FTK

Guns save lives
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Ahh, right, I missed the whole "may consume an alcoholic beverage while on the premises" part. Thank you.
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Prohibited Conduct and Where Unlawful to Carry - Section 18.2-308.012

Any person permitted to carry a concealed handgun who is under the influence of alcohol or illegal drugs while carrying such handgun in a public place is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. Conviction of any of the following offenses shall be prima facie evidence, subject to rebuttal, that the person is "under the influence" for purposes of this section: manslaughter in violation of Section 18.2-36.1, maiming in violation of Section 18.2-51.4, driving while intoxicated in violation of Section 18.2-266, public intoxication in violation of Section 18.2-388, or driving while intoxicated in violation of Section 46.2-341.24.

No person who carries a concealed handgun onto the premises of any restaurant or club as defined in Section 4.1-100 for which a license to sell and serve alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption has been granted by the Virginia Alcoholic Beverage Control Board under Title 4.1 of the Code of Virginia; may consume an alcoholic beverage while on the premises. A person who carries a concealed handgun onto the premises of such a restaurant or club and consumes alcoholic beverages is guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor. However, nothing in this subsection shall apply to a federal, state, or local law-enforcement officer.

Section 18.2-308.01: Private property when prohibited by the owner of the property, or where posted as prohibited.


Ahh, right, I missed the whole "may consume an alcoholic beverage while on the premises" part. Thank you.


Not a problem , I only knew because I had called VSP two days ago with a different CC question.
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Admittedly having 2nd row seats to his shows on 9/11 anniversaries on separate anniversaries, it was a decent patriotic show. A few years gone by, finding out his political stance, and hearing from friends who have met him, he's a cock sucking douche that can eat a bag of dicks. My money is better spent on flaming uggs if I were to ever support him again
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He is a fucking phony who has cashed in on being "patriotic". I hope he gets leprosy.
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He is a fucking phony who has cashed in on being "patriotic". I hope he gets leprosy.
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Admittedly having 2nd row seats to his shows on 9/11 anniversaries on separate anniversaries, it was a decent patriotic show. A few years gone by, finding out his political stance, and hearing from friends who have met him, he's a cock sucking douche that can eat a bag of dicks. My money is better spent on flaming uggs if I were to ever support him again


He is a fucking phony who has cashed in on being "patriotic". I hope he gets leprosy.



But.... but Sean Hannity said he wuz a grate Amurican.
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The one is Las Vegas  had really bad food and shitty service when we went this past summer.
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Oh well.  One more "artist" that I don't like and will never see or pay money for, opening a restaurant in a city I don't live in, where I'll never go for a meal.
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That fuckin douche pop star can stick his red solo cup straight up his ass.
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I don't care one way or another about the guy, but that's definitely a weird reaction to somebody acting within their property rights, or maybe something else is a factor like insurance or maybe he doesn't own the property and the real property owner has this policy?

I can certainly understand somebody taking their business elsewhere, but outright telling somebody to go fuck themselves over a policy at their place of business shows how toxic gun owners can be.
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All of the new places that we have tried there to eat were terrible.   Not just "ok" but really bad.  



yes it was, thankfully they didn't blast his shitty version of country.     They did have an open mic night and holy shit it was bad, had one guy sing those weird lonely trucker songs, if you can call them that
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Well, there's one less reason to go to Syracuse.... I'm not very fond of the Douchetiny USA mall, either.
 



All of the new places that we have tried there to eat were terrible.   Not just "ok" but really bad.  

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Was it all douchey with the over top "I'm country" shit?



yes it was, thankfully they didn't blast his shitty version of country.     They did have an open mic night and holy shit it was bad, had one guy sing those weird lonely trucker songs, if you can call them that

Did you try Gordon Biersch?  I am a big fan of the chain but the Syracuse one sucks dickholes, the beers are good but the food misses its mark compared to the other locations I have visited.
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He'll put a boot in yer ass, or something.



Twat making twat music, for twats.
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Dixie chicks who?

They shit their skillet  

You fuck with your own base its hard to stay in business
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He is a fucking phony who has cashed in on being "patriotic". I hope he gets leprosy.
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Admittedly having 2nd row seats to his shows on 9/11 anniversaries on separate anniversaries, it was a decent patriotic show. A few years gone by, finding out his political stance, and hearing from friends who have met him, he's a cock sucking douche that can eat a bag of dicks. My money is better spent on flaming uggs if I were to ever support him again


He is a fucking phony who has cashed in on being "patriotic". I hope he gets leprosy.


Yup. The entire radioactive dem party and their poisonous soleft progressive shills.

You can keep your health insurance if you like your insurance. You can keep your life if you like your life. You can keep your business if you like your business. You can keep your religious belief if you like your belief. You can keep your guns if you like your guns.


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I have one 10 minutes from me. Regardless of the kitschy applebees environment for lunch, it turns into a rowdy line dance bar weeknights and weekends. It's a bar. It has all the symptoms of a BAR. We don't need to "fuck toby keith sideways with a cactus" because a company that licensed his name doesn't want weapons in a place that is a full fledged BAR weeknights and weekends.



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My state allows carrying inside bars and even consuming alcohol up to .1 BAC - I dont, but its legal. Hardly any bars are posted. Its caused exactly zero problems that I am aware of.


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is he some country redneck rapper?
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Fuck Toby Keith with a cactus.
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+1 my wife and I went to his restaurant in Las Vegas and all of his swag was made in China or Mexico. It really ticked us off this was around the time his made in America song came out. So we wrote him a letter saying we won't support anything to do with him if he continues crisp like that. We got a letter back from his manager apologizing saying they can't help where everything is made. So fuck him
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