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Posted: 11/27/2002 10:08:16 AM EDT
Well fellow commrads I just got back from the Post Office to mail my parts kit to Inrange. I filled out my insurance card and return comformation slip and handed it to her and she took my box.She then asked if it was corrosive and hazardess materials, ect.. I said no. She then aksed was it a firearm. I F-cked up and said it was gunparts.She dropped the damn box( like it was a bomb) and said that they couldn't mail it. I would have to go through a dealer to mail it. I being (joe blow dumb ass cilvilian) couldn't mail it. I told her that I mail them quit often through this same postoffice.She then said I could go to jail for doing that.I told her it was just a parts kit for someone else to build. It wasn't a functioning rifle.Its in a million pieces.She wasn't budgeing.She said ita a new law where regular people couldn't mail things like that.I again said to her it isn't a firearm.Its parts. I then asked when did this become law. She said after the Terrorist attack. I asked to see the REG they had on file to read it for myself. That pissed her off.She had the look of the Devil. She was a Black older lady.Im a cracker.I questioned her athority.She said they did not have it on site and if I wanted to see it I would have to go find it myself.I then asked who was the Postmaster .I wanted to have a talk with him.She wouldn't give his name either.I said fine I will give my buisiness to Fed EX or UPS.I then was starting to leave but then saw her copying info what appeared to be info off of the insurance ticket I filled out and had already handed her.I left but got to thinking that she was going to have my info forwarded to who ever that I might be a terrorist.People, we are governed by MORONs.I better get my cats into there flack vests. The sheeple are falling in line and grazeing.I just think back to 1935. Rant off, War Dawg
Link Posted: 11/27/2002 10:10:14 AM EDT
You might consider a preemptive strike-call your postmaster NOW before some assholes stomp your family to death.
Link Posted: 11/27/2002 10:16:36 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/27/2002 10:17:54 AM EDT
Collateral damage to innocents is acceptable as WE ARE AT WAR. If WarDawg or his family are the subject of a fed bar-b-que, he should be grateful that at least al qaeda isn't lighting the fire.
Link Posted: 11/27/2002 10:31:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/27/2002 10:39:52 AM EDT by offctr]
BS, the domestic mail manual is ALWAYS avialable on site and the postmasters name and picture are usually posted in the lobby. I have a link here somewhere to the pertenant section of the DMM. Ill try to find it for you. I mail parts all the time and have not heard of any change in the rules prohibiting mailing of parts since 911 or otherwise. Here ya go print this out and let her boss read it (in his own copy -- If they can find it) [url]http://pe.usps.gov/text/dmm/C024.htm#Raq13352[/url] C000 General Information C020 Restricted or Nonmailable Articles and Substances C024 Other Restricted or Nonmailable Matter Summary C024 describes other restricted or nonmailable items (e.g., firearms, sharp instruments, controlled substances, pesticides). 1.0 Pistols, Revolvers, and Other Concealable Firearms 1.1Definitions The terms used in this standard are defined as follows: a. Handgun means any pistol, revolver, or other firearm or device the mailing of which is regulated by this standard. b. Pistol or revolver means a handgun styled to be fired by the use of a single hand and to fire or otherwise expel a projectile by the action of an explosion, spring, or other mechanical action, or air or gas pressure with enough force to be used as a weapon. c. Firearm means any device, including a starter gun, designed to, or may readily be converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosion, spring, or other mechanical action, or air or gas pressure with enough force to be used as a weapon. d. Other firearms capable of being concealed on the person includes, but is not limited to, short-barreled shotguns, and short-barreled rifles. e. Short-barreled shotgun means a shotgun that has one or more barrels less than 18 inches long. The term short-barreled rifle means a rifle that has one or more barrels less than 16 inches long. These definitions include any weapon made from a shotgun or rifle, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches. A short-barreled shotgun or rifle of greater dimension may be regarded as nonmailable when it has characteristics to allow concealment on the person. f. Licensed manufacturer and licensed dealer mean, respectively, a manufacturer of firearms or a bona fide dealer of firearms, duly licensed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms of the Department of the Treasury, under the Gun Control Act of 1968 (Public Law 90-618), 18 USC 921, et seq. g. Antique firearm means any firearm (including those with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898, or any replica thereof, if such replica: (1) Is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition. (2) Uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade. 1.2Handguns Pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person (referred to as handguns) are nonmailable unless mailed between the parties listed in 1.3 and 1.5 after the filing of an affidavit or statement required by 1.4 and 1.6. 1.3Authorized Persons Subject to 1.4, handguns may be mailed by a licensed manufacturer of firearms, a licensed dealer of firearms, or an authorized agent of the federal government or the government of a state, territory, or district, only when addressed to a person in one of the following categories for use in the person’s official duties: a. Officers of the Army, Coast Guard, Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps, or Organized Reserve Corps. b. Officers of the National Guard or militia of a state, territory, or district. c. Officers of the United States or of a state, territory, or district, whose official duty is to serve warrants of arrest or commitment. d. USPS employees authorized by the Chief Postal Inspector. e. Officers and employees of enforcement agencies of the United States. f. Watchmen engaged in guarding the property of the United States, a state, territory, or district. g. Purchasing agent or other designated member of agencies employing officers and employees included in 1.3c through 1.3e. 1.4Affidavit of Addressee Any person proposing to mail a handgun under 1.3 must file with the postmaster, at the time of mailing, an affidavit signed by the addressee setting forth that the addressee is qualified to receive the firearm under a particular category of 1.3a through 1.3g, and that the firearm is intended for the addressee’s official use. The affidavit must also bear a certificate stating that the firearm is for the official duty use of the addressee, signed by one of the following, as appropriate: a. For officers of Armed Forces, by the commanding officer. b. For officers and employees of enforcement agencies, by the head of the agency employing the addressee to perform the official duty with which the firearm is to be used. c. For watchmen, by the chief clerk of the department, bureau, or independent branch of the government of the United States, the state, the territory, or the district by which the watchman is employed. d. For the purchasing agent or other designated member of enforcement agencies, by the head of such agency, that the firearm is to be used by an officer or employee included in 1.3c through 1.3e. 1.5Manufacturers and Dealers Handguns may also be mailed between licensed manufacturers of firearms and licensed dealers of firearms in customary trade shipments, or for repairing or replacing parts. 1.6Certificate of Manufacturers and Dealers A licensed manufacturer or dealer need not file the affidavit under 1.4, but must file with the postmaster a statement on Form 1508 signed by the mailer that he or she is a licensed manufacturer or dealer of firearms, that the parcels containing handguns (or major component parts thereof) are customary trade shipments or contain such articles for repairing or replacing parts, and that to the best of his or her knowledge or belief the addressees are licensed manufacturers or dealers of firearms. 1.7FBI Crime Detection Bureaus Handguns may be mailed without regard to 1.3 through 1.6 if: a. Addressed to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), or its director, or to the scientific laboratory or crime detection bureau of any agency whose members are federal law enforcement officers or officers of a state, territory, or district authorized to serve warrants of arrest or commitment; or b. Offered by an authorized agent of the federal government as an official shipment to any qualified addressee in categories 1.3a through 1.3g, or to a licensed manufacturer or dealer of firearms or to a federal agency. 2.0 Antique Firearms Antique firearms sent as curios or museum pieces may be accepted for mailing without regard to 1.3 through 1.6. 3.0 Rifles and Shotguns Although unloaded rifles and shotguns not precluded by 1.1e and 1.2 are mailable, mailers must comply with the Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law 90-618, 18 USC 921, et seq., and the rules and regulations promulgated thereunder, 27 CFR 178, as well as state and local laws. The mailer may be required by the USPS to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the gun is unloaded and not precluded by 1.1e. 4.0 Legal Opinions on Mailing Firearms Postmasters are not authorized to give opinions on the legality of any shipment of rifles or shotguns. Contact the nearest office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms for further advice.
Link Posted: 11/27/2002 10:41:46 AM EDT
Dumass - Don't use the word gun. It ain't a gun unless it's the serial number, ATF approved part. With AR's, that is the lower receiver ONLY, as you well know. Anything else is "Machined Parts".
Link Posted: 11/27/2002 10:57:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By fight4yourrights: Dumass - Don't use the word gun. It ain't a gun unless it's the serial number, ATF approved part. With AR's, that is the lower receiver ONLY, as you well know. Anything else is "Machined Parts".
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He admitted his mistake:
I F-cked up and said it was gunparts
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As a rule, I [u]never[/u] disclose the contents of any package that I'm shipping. Period. I don't ship anything illegally, so it's none of their damn business. At best, I'll offer a vague but truthful description like "tools". [b]WarDawg[/b] after you messed up, I commend you for standing up for what's right. Personally, I would have gotten more obnoxious, but that's just me. I can get pretty confrontational about an obvious affront like this.
Link Posted: 11/27/2002 11:01:05 AM EDT
Repeat after me: "If there's no receiver, [b]it's not a gun[/b]"
Link Posted: 11/27/2002 11:04:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BlammO:
Originally Posted By fight4yourrights: Dumass - Don't use the word gun.
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He admitted his mistake:
I F-cked up and said it was gunparts
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[red]As a rule, I [u]never[/u] disclose the contents of any package that I'm shipping. Period.[/red]
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[b]TING!!![/b] [i]{sound of nail being hit squarely on head}[/i] That's as stupid as sending cash through the mail! And ANNOUNCING you're doing it!! SHEESH! Postal Clerk: "What's in the package" Dumbass Response #1: "$1,000 cash" Dumbass Response #2: "Diamond jewelry." Dumbass Response #3: "Gun parts" Take your pick.
Link Posted: 11/27/2002 11:27:45 AM EDT
I always go to UPS (usually cheaper anyway when sending longer or heavier packages) and just put down "Auto Parts" on the ticket. When I hand it over I joke about how it sure is nice having access to cheap used auto parts from all the junkyards here in ___________ (insert name of your town) and how it always amazes you how much some sucker in __________ (insert name of city you are sending it to) is willing to pay on Ebay for it. They laugh with you and never even consider questioning what you are sending :)
Link Posted: 11/27/2002 11:37:25 AM EDT
[img]http://www.cpwu.org/images/colora1.gif[/img] [red]Working for You[/red].
Link Posted: 11/27/2002 11:38:13 AM EDT
Lash me 10,000 times. I know I made a mistake by saying the EVIL word.Call me names ,your still OK in my book.But I was doing nothing wrong, and really felt I had nothing to hide. Live and learn.I don't walk on water and never will.I will make more mistakes in my life but that won't be one of them.Later WarDawg. U.S. ARMY 1985-89 4/23 Infatry ( Semper Primus )
Link Posted: 11/27/2002 4:50:31 PM EDT
I just tell 'em it's sado-masochist porn
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