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Posted: 11/26/2002 1:07:31 PM EDT
Okay so the girlfriend has dropped hints that her current mag-lite is not bright enough and she wants something new so I figure this will be a good Christmas gift. I was looking at different lights and I have a small surplus of the CR123a batteries so I wanted to go with something that used them. I figured because of that I'm thinking Surefire or Streamlight. I saw the Innova X5 light and went, "hmmmm." LEDs so no lamp replacement for quite a while, very power efficient and it's one piece machined aluminum. Anyone ever see/try/have one of those X5s? How are they?
Link Posted: 11/26/2002 1:26:47 PM EDT
Surefire's ROCK! I'v had my 6p for about four years and its been great.
Link Posted: 11/26/2002 1:29:21 PM EDT
I hadnt heard of these till I saw your post, got me interested. I'm always looking for a good light. I was looking at the specs on the X5 on one of the web page hits I got looking it up. Their info said this: "110,000+ hour lamp life 120' Effective Range, 20+ hours battery life" I like the lamp and battery life, but the range seems awfuly short. I doesnt sound as if its as bright as the Surefire/Streamlight lights. It also looks like it costs as much or more than the others. I have a bunch of the Streamlight Scorpions. I like them a lot and have had real good luck with them. You can get two of them for the price of one Surefire. I like the switch and rubber coated barrel better too, easy on the teeth, and you can use your tounge to work the momentary switch or lock it on. As a side note on batteries, I just got 48 123A's for $84 at cheapbatteries.com. They are Sanyo's, but they seem to work as well as the Duracells so far. $1.65 vs. $6.00 ea. is a lot nicer. Here's the address for the X5 page I was at too. www.defensedevices.com/inx5tac.html
Link Posted: 11/26/2002 1:29:23 PM EDT
^^^^What he said^^^^
Link Posted: 11/26/2002 1:39:23 PM EDT
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You should call a sponsor of this site, ASPI Tactical, and find out if they have any Surefires leftover from their recent sale. They had older blue 6P lights for only $39 plus shipping. I think those were sold out, but maybe they had some people fail to "pay up". [url]www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=25&t=146497[/url]
Link Posted: 11/26/2002 3:04:47 PM EDT
Thanks for the input guys. I know what you mean about the range, but think about it...she's going from a AA mag lite to this. I've got the Scorpion too and I was going to get that, but I though she might use this thing a lot so with the lithiums there is mucho drain time for lots of use. Thats why I looked at the LED lights. This is just for around the house/car stuff, she's not 'tactical' at all. hehe BotachTactical has the Toshiba 123's 20 for 30 bucks. That's where I got mine, they're just fine for me.
Link Posted: 11/26/2002 3:22:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AK103K: ... I like the switch and rubber coated barrel better too, easy on the teeth, and you can use your tounge to work the momentary switch or lock it on. ...
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Wow! I’m not the only person who does this! (Never tried turning it on with my tongue, though.) However, I just don’t see most females interested in this feature. Surefire has some awesome looking (and awesome priced!) LED flashlights. You can buy the heads separately, which means you can have, say, a Z3 with both an LED and an incandescent head. However, telling your GF you just spent $150 for a flashlight setup might not go over too well (women just don’t appreciate fine pieces of machinery!). LED flashlights aren’t too bright; their virtue is the long battery life. On the other hand, a regular Surefire will eat up those CR123 batteries fast!! For reviews of different LED flashlights, see [url]ledmuseum.home.att.net/ledleft.htm[/url]
Link Posted: 11/26/2002 4:01:03 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/26/2002 4:15:35 PM EDT
Surefire all the way. 6P E1 Executive 9N
Link Posted: 11/26/2002 4:23:23 PM EDT
Surefire Stinger
Link Posted: 11/26/2002 4:47:44 PM EDT
I've got a visual disability, so I needed something BRIGHT. I got a SureFire M4 Devastator. It is pricey, but AWESOME. It lights up stuff that's farther away than I can see. The beam is pure and solid. I'm very happy with it!
Link Posted: 11/27/2002 9:29:27 AM EDT
Thanks everyone for their input. JHill, the candlepower site was perfect. It brought me to the LED Museum ratings site: [url]http://ledmuseum.home.att.net/ledleft.htm[/url] Lots of good info there. I'm getting her the Lightwave3000 as it uses LEDs, seems bright, got a top award by candlepower and uses regular batteries that she can get on her own.
Link Posted: 11/27/2002 9:49:37 AM EDT
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I bought a Surefire light last year to carry with me when I went looking at properties at night. I work in real estate and I tend to wind up in dark locations. I needed a light that would really deter someone if shined in the face. I couldn't believe I was spending $125 for a flashlight, but it was absolutely worth it. I've used it a couple of times with great impact. You'd be surprised how little someone can do when they suddenly can't see. I bought the M2 Millenium Centurion for the impact resistance and it came with 2 bulbs which I like. [url=http://www.surefire.com/cgi-bin/main.pl?pgm=co_disp&func=displ&carfnbr=238&prrfnbr=402&sesent=0,0]M2 Millenium Centurion[/url] Good luck!
Link Posted: 11/27/2002 11:03:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Sharkman: I've got a visual disability, so I needed something BRIGHT. I got a SureFire M4 Devastator. It is pricey, but AWESOME. It lights up stuff that's farther away than I can see. The beam is pure and solid. I'm very happy with it!
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Can't help but be curious... how do you know it lights up stuff that's farther away than you can see?
Link Posted: 11/27/2002 11:33:55 AM EDT
I recently got a Surefire Executive Elite E2e flash light & love it! Used to carry a AA Maglight with my Leatherman Supertool at work. I was never happy with the light output from the Maglight. I was at a gunshow that had a dealer selling the Surelight's, boy was I impressed! Tried to win it off of ebay with no luck. I ended up getting it online at Strategosstore.com. Great price & free shipping!
Link Posted: 11/27/2002 11:57:24 AM EDT
My Dad told me (he doesn't have a visual disability).
Link Posted: 11/27/2002 3:10:34 PM EDT
My understanding is that the LED's max output drops off fairly quickly... So, while they may advertise a max output of 20 lumens or so (I think this is pretty typical), that may only last the first couple of hours of use. After that, output drops pretty significantly, but then sort of steadies out for most of the remainder of battery life. Surefire's website has a pretty good explanation of this, as they sell LED lights as well, but it appears to be down at the moment. However, I don't think the brightest LED with a full battery charge is any brighter than the single cell xenon lights (or even maglites) - and the output of the xenon lamps is pretty much consistent up until the batteries go. Rocko
Link Posted: 11/27/2002 3:28:59 PM EDT
Hey, I know it isn't pretty, or fancy, but if what you want is bright, why are you messing with the surefire/mag-lights? (I know, they have a certain appeal, and make darned good weapons, etc.)... Why not a 2,000,000 candle power flashlight? It's so bright it looks like daylight with your eyes closed. http://www.tannersstorefront.com/lectro_science.htm $70 and a few hundred times (thousand times) brighter than the slick aluminum ones. Plus the rechargable batteries run for 20 minutes.
Link Posted: 11/27/2002 3:59:18 PM EDT
MAGLITES RULE Std bulb is a krypton. Just spend 5 bucks on an halogen bulb for it. Brightness will be notably hotter. Halogens are available for most sizes, although you may have to special order through Radioshack for 5 cells and above. M4-AK
Link Posted: 11/27/2002 5:58:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AlphaBobRI: Hey, I know it isn't pretty, or fancy, but if what you want is bright, why are you messing with the surefire/mag-lights? (I know, they have a certain appeal, and make darned good weapons, etc.)... Why not a 2,000,000 candle power flashlight? It's so bright it looks like daylight with your eyes closed. http://www.tannersstorefront.com/lectro_science.htm $70 and a few hundred times (thousand times) brighter than the slick aluminum ones. Plus the rechargable batteries run for 20 minutes.
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I have owned one of those for over 10 years. Big, bulky, and they don't hold a charge well. Plus, when you need it, 20 minutes is waaayyyyy too short a time.
Link Posted: 11/27/2002 7:52:36 PM EDT
Whatever SureFire yuou get, make sure it has this little accessory on it. It'll make the light a *LOT* more effective... [img]http://www.gggaz.com/images/tid.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 12/17/2002 10:37:48 AM EDT
Wow... regarding the above pic [url]http://www.gggaz.com/products/tid.php[/url]
(TACTICAL IMPACT DEVICE) FOR SUREFIRE FLASHLIGHTS There are numerous times when lethal force is neither justified nor desirable. The Alternative Force Block (AFB), conceived by the US Navy SEALS, and refined and manufactured by DVC Armaments, a GG&G enterprise, was designed to prevent an opponent from driving the slide of your pistol rearward (and thus completely deactivating the weapon) and also to provide an alternative to deadly force in Close Quarters Battle (CQB) environments without relinquishing the potential for lethality. There are also many instances when lethal force is not even an option. Flashlights also are no longer an option. There is no more important accessory for an armed professional. They must be powerful–very powerful. SUREFIRE has come to dominate the field of handheld combat flashlights. More police tactical teams and military special operations units use SUREFIRE flashlights than any other make. As a consequence of their overwhelming popularity, we have designed an incredibly unique and innovative alternative force tool designed for use in conjunction with a substantial variety of SUREFIRE models. Originally conceived by personal protection specialist and GG&G Technical Advisor Lance Harris, the new Tactical Impact Device (TID) fits easily on the bezel of the flashlight and is secured from removal by four small socket head screws. Manufactured from 4140 steel, it has a manganese phosphate finish. Although lightweight (from 0.05-pound to 0.10-pound, depending upon the model), the GG&G TID adds sufficient heft to the front end of the flashlight to accelerate the forward momentum during the thrust stroke. Its sharp, 5-teeth-per-inch pattern surrounds the entire bezel and provides an aggressive, and extremely effective, alternative to lethal force. As Lance Harris so aptly said in a recent interview; “The GG&G TID was developed to de-fang an opponent through the use of trapping and pressure-point-compliance techniques. There is no other alternative force tool available that offers the concealability, and versatility of the TID.”
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Link Posted: 12/17/2002 10:50:52 AM EDT
this thread inspired me to convert my L60 lamp module from my 11-87 620t shotgun forearm light kit into a hand held flash light. just needed the a21 adapter and z49 end pushbutton housing. i splurdged on an extra P61 lamp w/ double the lumens, but only rated at 20 mins vs. the 60 mins of the 65 lumen P60 lamp. good luck on your purchase
Link Posted: 12/17/2002 10:57:14 AM EDT
Flashlight advice wanted
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1. Put the batteries in (watch those + and - signs) 2. Flip the switch to turn it on. [;D]
Link Posted: 12/17/2002 11:24:59 AM EDT
Where's the best / cheapest place to get a Surefire?
Link Posted: 12/17/2002 11:59:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Cerebus: Where's the best / cheapest place to get a Surefire?
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[url]http://www.alltactical.com/SUREFIRE/TacAccessories.html[/url] seems to have some fair prices.
Link Posted: 12/17/2002 2:15:39 PM EDT
Wow I was a bit surprised to see this one back on top. Well, I got her the LightWave3000. It's a 3C, 7 LED light. Weather resistant and very 'flashlight' feeling. It's decently bright for an LED. Now that I have it I realized if I got her a Surefire or Streamlight kind of light, she'd blind herself going to the can at night. This is a good soft but bright light. Plus it'll last for a hell of a long time with standard batteries. Oh, I also picked us up some of those PhotonII keychain lights. All I gotta say is wow! Tiny little thing is impressive.
Link Posted: 12/17/2002 3:04:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BennyFranklin: . . Well, I got her the LightWave3000. It's a 3C, 7 LED light. Weather resistant and very 'flashlight' feeling. It's decently bright for an LED. Now that I have it I realized if I got her a Surefire or Streamlight kind of light, she'd blind herself going to the can at night. This is a good soft but bright light. Plus it'll last for a hell of a long time with standard batteries. Oh, I also picked us up some of those PhotonII keychain lights. All I gotta say is wow! Tiny little thing is impressive.
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I hate standard alkaline (AAA,AA, C & D)-type batteries. I don't know what it is, but in time all of those batteries leak, and damage your flashlight. My problem is that sometimes I forget about my flashlight, and the one time I want to use it, it doesn't work because the batteries had leaked and stopped working. The battery companies recommend that you remove the batteries in when in long-term storage, but that is not practical for me.
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