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Posted: 11/24/2002 7:37:04 PM EDT
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Give it to your granddaughter.
You can upgrade it but why ? Its too slow compared to whats available. Even if you max it out with RAM. No! Bring it to the December shootout and blow it up !!! Thats even better. |
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Posted: 11/24/2002 7:38:17 PM EDT
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Depends on the processor speed and how much memory is already installed.
I have an old beat to shit Dell 166 with 64k of memory and it runs fine on Win98 SE. (I forget offhand how much more disk space is required for the SE upgrade). |
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Posted: 11/24/2002 7:41:55 PM EDT
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I use a Gateway Solo 2150 with a 450 hz ,Celeron processor,64 ram, 6 gig H.D.,dvd/cd, small floppy and PC slot(never have used it)Windows 98 on it. The battery died at 13 months (12 month guarantee) I have never had any other kind of problem with it!!!! I love it! I will probably trade it in on another one some day ......[:D]
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Posted: 11/24/2002 7:42:18 PM EDT
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I'm still enjoing my P133 notebook.
I'm running 98SE on it. It's got plenty of life left in it. However, you could score some major Granddaddy points [:D] |
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Posted: 11/24/2002 7:43:53 PM EDT
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Piece of trash, but don't give it to your g-daughter, too many toxic components. Send it to me, and I'll safely dispose of it for you [:p]
Seriously, what are you wanting to use it for? A PII is just fine for checking your email and running most programs on the road, such as Office 97, Lotus, etc. Cricky, they worked just fine for alot of years doing just that. I still wish I had my old P100 laptop from my old job for just that reason. No, they won't run the most up-to-date MS software, but who cares? Most of that is bloatware anyway specifically meant to force you to upgrade. |
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Posted: 11/24/2002 7:44:42 PM EDT
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For God's sake, whatever you do, don't burn your penis!
[url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=155852&w=searchPop[/url] [;)] |
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Posted: 11/24/2002 7:49:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: For God's sake, whatever you do, don't burn your penis! [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=155852&w=searchPop[/url] [;)] he's a hun... it would take at least a 3.2Ghz overclocked to around 4ghz to burn him!!! |
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Posted: 11/24/2002 7:49:57 PM EDT
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Eric-what are you going to use it for? My laptop is several years old, but for checking e-mail, using microsoft word, outlook etc it works fine for me.
Edited to add-I usually only take guns off clients who owe me money, not laptops. By the way I have a "pre-dimple" 870 with a non rifled slug barrel and bird barrel now if anyone wants to make me an offer [:)] |
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Posted: 11/24/2002 7:58:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: ...and I have a lot of questions about it. First, it's a Gateway Solo with a Pentium [b]II[/b] processor in it. Is there any reason to even fool with it? Second, it's loaded with Windows 98, but not the SE version, the original. I'd like to know if it's even able to be upgraded, or should I give it to my five-year old granddaughter to play with? Your advice will be appreciated. Eric The(ComputerIlliterate)Hun[>]:)] Email sent also have the cd-drive and floppy! The 3.5 should be built in as well! Bob [:D] |
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Posted: 11/24/2002 8:12:47 PM EDT
[#10]
Hey your mailbox is full.
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Posted: 11/24/2002 8:14:01 PM EDT
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The Granddaughter idea is good if you dont need it.
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Posted: 11/24/2002 8:26:14 PM EDT
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You'd be suprised how much money even a older PII used laptop is worth. Sell it if nothing else, get a couple hundred bucks for a couple more cases of ammo....
What speed is it, with how much memory? Check ebay for similar systems, I mean there are alot of 166mhz speed range laptops selling for a couple hundred bucks a piece. If it's a 300-400mhz or something it will actually be a pretty good laptop for general usuage. I've got a 400mhz that does everything you could want a laptop for. |
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Posted: 11/24/2002 8:41:18 PM EDT
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Zoom scratches head. We just paid $500 each for a dozen Dell Pentium II laptops w/ 64 Mbytes of RAM. Dell sold them after they were returned at the end of their leases. They run XP and Word just fine (well, as well as anything can run XP). The only thing we can't do is open-up our 500 page policy manual with Word, darn it[:)]. "No sir boss, I didn't know that was in the manual. I couldn't load it with my laptop, remember?"z
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Posted: 11/24/2002 8:51:50 PM EDT
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If it works perfectly fine, please don't shoot it up.
You could buy a load of X10 electrical switches for your home and use it as a dedicated console to control lights/heating/fans/etc. The ultimate accessory for your Dell though is a computer controllable mount for your nifty NFA stuff. |
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Posted: 11/24/2002 8:58:33 PM EDT
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Quoted: I use a Gateway Solo 2150 with a 450 hz ,Celeron processor,64 ram, 6 gig H.D.,dvd/cd, small floppy and PC slot(never have used it)Windows 98 on it. The battery died at 13 months (12 month guarantee) I have never had any other kind of problem with it!!!! I love it! I will probably trade it in on another one some day ......[:D] If Eric doesn't want the parts from mine(solo 2500) I have the charger,battery,128meg RAM,floppy and CD That are no use to me any longer! Bob [:D] |
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Posted: 11/24/2002 9:32:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I use a Gateway Solo 2150 with a 450 hz ,Celeron processor,64 ram, 6 gig H.D.,dvd/cd, small floppy and PC slot(never have used it)Windows 98 on it. The battery died at 13 months (12 month guarantee) I have never had any other kind of problem with it!!!! I love it! I will probably trade it in on another one some day ......[:D] If Eric doesn't want the parts from mine(solo 2500) I have the charger,battery,128meg RAM,floppy and CD That are no use to me any longer! Bob [:D] I'll take the floppy drive, how much? |
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Posted: 11/24/2002 10:44:36 PM EDT
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ETH,
Install the maximum amount of RAM in that thing (hopefully it's at least 128MB, and better if it's 256MB or more), and you'll do just fine. RAM is CHEAP these days. CHEAP! And having plenty of RAM means that most operations are much faster, so it's plenty good for web browsing, using Word and Excel, and most other "office-related" activity. The only major limitation is games, which it isn't gonna do well. An upgrade to WinXP would help. Email me for more details. -Troy |
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Posted: 11/24/2002 11:42:35 PM EDT
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Don't consider this a confession...
But I worked as Warranty Tech Support for Gateway for 2 1/2 years until GTW closed our facility here in January and put me in the unemployment line. I was a Specialist in Consumer Desktop Systems, but GTW decided to try and cross train everyone to include Mobile systems. So I was fully trained and supporting laptops also. I have extensive part cross reference lists which I compiled myself, and I know which vendors still have NIB "old stock" direct replacement components. To me it wasn't just a job, it was a hobby I got paid for. I loved being able to help people particularly when things looked bleak but the fault was actually minor and I could get them back on track with no delay or data loss. If there are other members here who are having issues with GTW items purchased prior to 2002 then I would be glad to assist where possible. While I don't have a intimate knowledge of the most recent units, and haven't tried to keep up with them I did get full training in WXP both home & Pro editions. Also, as a side note there are several supply vendors which supply multiple Computer companies, in some cases I have cross references to parts of other brands. Example I have a "Mini-Dock" for my Solo 5150. It is labeled as AST but I could give you the GTW p/n. As for the GTW website, they have totally F'd it up such that you can not get to the info you want unless the url is served up by the sites search engine. If you bookmark something an attempt to find it later it will not let you because the URL was not provided by the search proxie. (Sorry for venting in Techno-bable.) Eric - I can give you a full workup on that unit if there are any details you need, I can (I think) still get manuals, and also have a source for the OEM software CD's |
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Posted: 11/24/2002 11:45:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: Give it to your granddaughter. You can upgrade it but why ? Its too slow compared to whats available. Even if you max it out with RAM. No! Bring it to the December shootout and blow it up !!! Thats even better. December shoot?!?!?!?!? What'd I miss? Someone fill me in, please! -Gloftoe |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 12:21:32 AM EDT
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I'll take it.[:D]
I'm going to be computer-less in 7.5 hours.[:(] |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 12:22:22 AM EDT
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December Shoot - I usually go out to the Hun Farm between Christmas and New Years, so I was thinking we might get together at some point out there.
Either the weekend before, or New Years Eve and Day. I'll set up a thread when the time get closer and we'll see when the most folks want to come! Eric The(Sleepy)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 12:58:18 AM EDT
[#22]
Upgrade to Win ME while you're at it. It's just Win 98 SE with all the big fixes. Do not try Win XP.
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Posted: 11/25/2002 2:41:32 AM EDT
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Quoted: Upgrade to Win ME while you're at it. It's just Win 98 SE with all the big fixes. Do not try Win XP. So far, mostly sound advice, but this poster is just wrong. Never, ever install WinMe on anything. Either Win98SE, or WinXP, but never WinMe. If you have ME CDs, bury them at the crossroads in the woods, in a full moon night (where we laid the OS/2 install floppies to rest a while ago). Anyway, PII means it's at least a 233 Mhz CPU, or up to 450 Mhz, that ain't too shabby, max memory should be at least 256 MB. I'd install a network card if it doesn't have one and use it to surf the Web or reading e-books while rocking in the comfy chair on the veranda :) |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 3:29:23 AM EDT
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I can kind of agree with that WMe assessment. It can be like playing Russian roulette, but using 2 rounds...
Depending on model it might top out @ 160Mb. Having 32Mb soldered to the MBD and two SODIMM sockets each accepting 64Mb |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 4:40:52 AM EDT
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Quoted: I can kind of agree with that WMe assessment. It can be like playing Russian roulette, but using 2 rounds... ...in a automatic pistol. |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 6:30:57 AM EDT
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Thanks, [b]Kar98[/b], your advice here was better than the 'shoot his nuts off' in the Ar15.com Santa thread! [:D]
But, seriously, I would like to install Windows 98SE on this laptop, but I only have the CD for that OS. When I try to put it on the laptop, I am informed that I do not have the correct 'upgrade' version. I seriously don't want to pay for another OS for this laptop. How can I uninstall Windows 98 in order to install Windows 98SE? There are no files on this laptop that I need to worry about saving! Anyone? Or is it even worth the effort? Eric The(Stymied)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 6:44:14 AM EDT
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From my experience, you should be able to delete the win.com file and install from the cd. Can you boot from a floppy?
ByteTheBullet (-: |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 6:46:05 AM EDT
[#28]
If you have a Win98 Startup Disk, you can boot up the laptop with the disk inside and format the HD. Then boot up the system again this time with CD-Rom support if it has a CD-Rom and install the OS.
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Posted: 11/25/2002 6:48:15 AM EDT
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Quoted: How can I uninstall Windows 98 in order to install Windows 98SE? There are no files on this laptop that I need to worry about saving! Make a boot disk, boot from the floppy, use /fdisk, and install 98SE from CD. Or rename win.com to win.bak. Or ask me to send you a 98SE upgrade CD. Or move your hairy ass down here and have it fixed by me while you and Mrs Hun are sipping German beer on the front porch. Anyone? Or is it even worth the effort? I think it is. I've fixed slower computers before, and not too long ago. |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 7:10:05 AM EDT
[#30]
You can e-mail him the contents of a Startup Disk. The files in a Startup Disk are not really large.
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Posted: 11/25/2002 7:15:52 AM EDT
[#31]
I can email him a file that will create a Win98 boot disk. It is 876kb. Lemme know and I will email it.
ByteTheBullet (-: |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 7:57:54 AM EDT
[#32]
Quoted: Quoted: How can I uninstall Windows 98 in order to install Windows 98SE? There are no files on this laptop that I need to worry about saving! Make a boot disk, boot from the floppy, use /fdisk, and install 98SE from CD. Or rename win.com to win.bak. Or ask me to send you a 98SE upgrade CD. Or move your hairy ass down here and have it fixed by me while you and Mrs Hun are sipping German beer on the front porch. Anyone? Or is it even worth the effort? I think it is. I've fixed slower computers before, and not too long ago. |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 8:14:44 AM EDT
[#33]
Sorry, [b]deadeye47[/b], but he asked me first!
[:D] Jes' kidding. I am certain that there is room enough to spare for a few friends on that front porch! Eric The(YouMove,YouLose)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 12:52:31 PM EDT
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Tangential post;
I bought a PC from an acquaintance / co-worker a couple of years ago. Took it home, fired it up, and found a whole bunch of kinky pictures of his live-in girl friend (who also works for the same department) still on the hard drive. I haven't been able to look at her without a little smile since. How does one completely get rid of personal info when selling / giving away a computer? Does reformatting the hard drive take care of it? |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 1:01:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: How does one completely get rid of personal info when selling / giving away a computer? Does reformatting the hard drive take care of it? You can use a good forensics removal type of program like Evidence Eliminator. But I don't know if it actually works that good, DOD standards I mean. Or you can low-level format the HD. There is a good little program wriiten by my former instructor which he calls The Eliminator, it completely wipes out the HD. |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 1:51:15 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: How does one completely get rid of personal info when selling / giving away a computer? Does reformatting the hard drive take care of it? You can use a good forensics removal type of program like Evidence Eliminator. But I don't know if it actually works that good, DOD standards I mean. Or you can low-level format the HD. There is a good little program wriiten by my former instructor which he calls The Eliminator, it completely wipes out the HD. Awhile back I used to frequent the alt.privacy newsgroup. There was always some discussion going on about the effectiveness of EE. There were a few different opinions, but everyone agreed on at least one thing: that the authors of EE were spamming assholes. [url]http://evidence-eliminator-sucks.com/eesucks[/url] Googelize "spam" "evidence eliminator" to see what I mean. As an alternative, try Eraser. [url] http://www.tolvanen.com/eraser[/url]. Not only does it work, but it's free. |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 2:17:58 PM EDT
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DoD 5220.22-M
Pass 1: Write the hex value 0x00 Pass 2: Write the hex value 0xFF Pass 3: Write a user selected hex value (From Norton WipeInfo, which I have set to repeat the cycle 3 times) |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 2:25:55 PM EDT
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Keep it-- I will help you reinstall it.
I would reformat it, and reinstall the apps that you use, and that way everything is where YOU want it... Also-- Win98 is pretty damn stable and easy to fix... Get the latest updates and you will have almost everything that Win98SE has, except internet connection sharing. I have an extra "Win98SE" upgrade patch CD for Win98, if you want to upgrade it-- you can have it for FREE. |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 2:38:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: Upgrade to Win ME while you're at it. It's just Win 98 SE with all the big fixes. Do not try Win XP. BS! Win98 kicks WinME's ASS! XP blows both of them away, but will Win98 will probbaly run faster on an older slower machine. Hard drive speed on a laptop is what slows ya down. More RAM the better. |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 2:40:27 PM EDT
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Quoted: Anyway, PII means it's at least a 233 Mhz CPU, or up to 450 Mhz, that ain't too shabby, max memory should be at least 256 MB. Ummm nope: I owned a Pentium II MMX, and I am on my brother's Pentium II right now. Both 200 MHz. |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 2:41:43 PM EDT
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Quoted: and found a whole bunch of kinky pictures of his live-in girl friend (who also works for the same department) still on the hard drive. WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Hook a brother UP! Click the e-mail user button at the top of this post and send them oveeeeeeeeeeeeer!!!! |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 2:43:21 PM EDT
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You do not need a startup disk to reinstall Windows on top of itself. Just boot up, press F8, get to the hard disk- Drivers for CD should be installed already.
Insert CD. Change to CD drive. (i.e. type "D:" and press return) type "setup /is" and press return. |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 3:18:40 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Anyway, PII means it's at least a 233 Mhz CPU, or up to 450 Mhz, that ain't too shabby, max memory should be at least 256 MB. Ummm nope: I owned a Pentium II MMX, and I am on my brother's Pentium II right now. Both 200 MHz. The original Pentium II was code-named "Klamath". It ran at a paltry 66 MHz bus speed and ranged from 233MHz to 300MHz. In 1998, Intel did some slight re-working of the processor and released "Deschutes". They used a 0.25 micron design technology for this one, and allowed a 100MHz system bus. The L2 cache was still separate from the actual processor core and still ran at only half speed. They would not rectify this issue until the release of the Celeron A and Pentium III. Deschutes ran from 333MHz to up to 450 MHz. Guess what you had was a plain old Pentium MMX/ |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 3:36:05 PM EDT
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Never ever upgrade or use winME...I have had so many people come to me with problems on winME it is not funny. Win98SE is very stable and win2k is even better. You can get DSP win2k discs for ~ $130.
To clean format a drive you can still get the free version of PGP and it has a secure format option where it writes zeroes to the disk. I think the last good free version was 7.03??? |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 4:00:06 PM EDT
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[b]EricTheHun[/b], if you still want the boot disk file...
[b][size=4][blue]empty your mailbox!![/blue][size=4][/b] ByteTheBullet (-: |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 6:57:06 PM EDT
[#46]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Anyway, PII means it's at least a 233 Mhz CPU, or up to 450 Mhz, that ain't too shabby, max memory should be at least 256 MB. Ummm nope: I owned a Pentium II MMX, and I am on my brother's Pentium II right now. Both 200 MHz. The original Pentium II was code-named "Klamath". It ran at a paltry 66 MHz bus speed and ranged from 233MHz to 300MHz. In 1998, Intel did some slight re-working of the processor and released "Deschutes". They used a 0.25 micron design technology for this one, and allowed a 100MHz system bus. The L2 cache was still separate from the actual processor core and still ran at only half speed. They would not rectify this issue until the release of the Celeron A and Pentium III. Deschutes ran from 333MHz to up to 450 MHz. Guess what you had was a plain old Pentium MMX/ You are an idiot. You think you know everything, eh? They made 200MHz processors: Pentium II MMX and Pentium II. I owned one, and my brother still does. I have physical evidence-- YOU DON'T. |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 7:00:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: [b]EricTheHun[/b], if you still want the boot disk file... [b][size=4][blue]empty your mailbox!![/blue][size=4][/b] ByteTheBullet (-: Why would he need a boot disk file? If he has Windows 98, it will generate one for him, and even make a system recovery disk! Also, if he has Windows 98 or 98SE, teh CD-ROMs are usually bootable, and may require changing a setting in the BIOS to allow it to boot, if not set already. PS: ETH said he doesn't have a floppy drive, so the bootable CD may be the best choice, or boot to the hard disk and install from there... I will let yoiu know when I reinstall the system for him Saturday after the gun show... |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 7:41:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: Upgrade to Win ME while you're at it. It's just Win 98 SE with all the big fixes. Do not try Win XP. Bad advice on the ME part... Good on the XP... Me is the worst product available from MS... XP is the 2nd worst... |
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Posted: 11/25/2002 7:56:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: You are an idiot. [red]vs[/red] You think you know everything, eh? Those two lines don't seem to match up. Do you see the contradiction? What kind of issues do you have? Bad childhood? Sexual abuse? I have physical evidence-- YOU DON'T. Well, [i]good[/i] for you, kid. Atta-boy! I'm so proud of you. Now flush, wipe your ass, and I'll give you a cookie, mmm-kay? |
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Posted: 11/26/2002 3:12:08 AM EDT
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Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along?"
Andy Grove: "I didn't make 200MHz PII's" |
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