I think it's guaranteed that the AWB will come up on congress.

At the time it comes up the presidential election will be in full swing. The Democratic party position on it will depend on who the presidential candidate is. If they're trying to run a Southern moderate, they'll probably try to downplay it. If Gore is running he'll probably be running left, and support it.

But even if the Democratic nominee is a southern moderate they won't be able to enforce party discipline and keep the AWB from coming to a vote. There are too many democrats that are ideologically motivated, invested in the AWB issue, and from safe Democratic seats. McCarthy, Feinstein, Boxer, and Schumer will be pushing for it regardless of what the party nominee wants.

I'm cautiously optimistic that the issue will at least get kicked down the road until after the election. That will leave a window of a few months for legal purchases, with the ultimate fate of the bill depending on the composition of the congress and the president after the '04 election.

I hope Bushmaster will stock up on flash suppressors and bayonet lugs for the demand that will hit.

I prefer to call "high capacity" magazines "normal capacity" magazines. You play into the wrong side of public perception if you buy the term "high capacity". And what we have now are "reduced capacity" magazines, as evidenced by the goofy mechanical restrictions built into double-stack pistol mags and the like.

[b]DAMN[/b] good point!


He who frames the question wins the debate.

The antis are organizing and consolidating.  WE need to organize also!  And don't just send a $50 check to the NRA and think that you've done your part.  We all need to get involved in this!

Come join us at [url]www.awbansunset.com[/url]... the unofficial headquarters for fighting the AW Ban!

--Mike

Excellent! Just registered as "BradyGoon" [}:D]

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Just joined. Very good idea. We need to make it big and dig in!

ARGH!!! WHY are the sheeple so [red][size=4]STUPID??[/size=4][/red]

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Cuz it's comfortable and requires no input or effort on their part.

I had no idea ignorance this thick was possible.

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John F Kennedy was pro-gun? All these years I've hated him for Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crisis, could there actually be something to like him for?

Didn't his Vice-President (Johnson) sign the GCA of 68?

I can't believe that these Mental Midgets will use the DC sniper shootings as rationale to renew and toughen the AW ban.  Even if there was no way the sniper could have gotton his hands on a Bushmaster, he would have just used something more appropriate for the job anyway, such as a Remington 700.  Give me a break!

Remember, NRA Life member John Kennedy was shot by ACLU member Lee Harvey Oswald.

The link isn't working for me...  Says not found.

Yes, thank you for pointing this out... due to a slight hosting rearrangement, www.awbansunset.com will not work for a few days.

--Mike

One important question is what the NRA is going to do.  Yes, they have doubled their membership, but that increases the likelihood that they are willing to compromise.  Although there is strength in numbers, larger political actors tend to become co-opted; if public opinion, as reported by liberal media, remains anti-gun, then the NRA, in its quest to mobilize resources for self-survival and organizational growth (the two most important goals of ANY organization), will probably compromise.  Political science literature suggests again and again that as organizations grow, they become part of the "system" and, thus, less likely to fight that same system that allowed them to grow and prosper.
So, I do not believe that the NRA will be a valuably ally.  I like the Internet-based activism idea advocated by others.  Let's create informal networks, let's contact our lawmakers, let's contact the media.  Grass-roots activism can work!  If that fat liberal Michael Moore can get K-Mart to stop carrying handgun ammo, then millions of law-abiding gun owners should have some influence, too!  With or without the NRA.

LOL!! Never knew Oswald was an ACLU member. Learn something new every day...


Yes we won that one but had Kennedy not pulled the air support from BoP there would have been no missile crisis and Cubans would have been free of a Communist dictator for 41 years.

Not that future Presidents have learned from Kennedy's blunder: Bush Sr did the same thing to the Kurds leading to the current Iraqi mess.

What about Robert Kennedy? His daughter (Catherine who lost to Erlich in MA gov race) certainly follows Ted's socialist roots. What about JFK's son, the guy who died in a plane crash a few years ago? There doesn't seem to be ANY pro-gun Democrats running for President for the last 40 years.

I too am still waiting to see what the NRA will do, they have made a statement that they will work against the ban but as yet no evidence of them actually doing anything.

There are lots of us who will not join the NRA until we see their muscle moving against a new AW ban. If there is no lobbying and / or there is compromise then the NRA will never see a penny of my money.

FYI : [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=111826&w=searchPop[/url]

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This is totally irrelevant to the real issue, that being making sure the current AW ban dies on expire date and no new ban gets passed in its place. Where's the NRA there? Nowhere to be seen, as usual.


We are [b]not[/b] at war. Congress has not declared war. There is no Secretary of War. The President cannot declare war (though he certainly has unofficially declared war on our liberties as free Americans).

We are at War.  
Sept. 12, 2001, GWB.

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And how many of those Glock owners wouldn't like to see cheap hi-cap mags available again?  Regardless of what happens, good or bad, the ban won't be the same.