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Posted: 11/18/2002 5:31:00 PM EDT
Who recognizes the stamp? [img]http://www.olin.wustl.edu/faculty/langfred/stamp.jpg[/img] It is off a Broomhandle - probably manufactured in early 1930's - it has the step in the barrel characteristic of the Model 1930. I'm trying to figure out if this is a Broomhandle manufactured by Mauser and shipped to China, or perhaps an upper that was manufactured in China as a replacement for an original upper. I'm pretty certain the lower is original Mauser: [img]http://www.olin.wustl.edu/faculty/langfred/stamp3.jpg[/img] Anyone?
Link Posted: 11/18/2002 5:50:28 PM EDT
DK- Appears to be a Nationalist Chinese acceceptance proof. Tough to narrow it down because of the wear, but "Taku Naval Dockyards" I'm told was the most common, going so far as to make copies of the C-96.. Hope it helps some.. Meplat-
Link Posted: 11/18/2002 6:00:55 PM EDT
Thanks - I wondered if it was stamped at Taku - or maybe the upper was made there? There's a pretty good FAQ out there, and apparently the Chinese copies sometimes went as far as to fake the Mauser stamps - occasionally with hilarious results - as in some that apprently say "Wauser" or transposed letters.
Link Posted: 11/18/2002 6:47:00 PM EDT
I'd be willing to bet the whole thing was made in China, including the Mauserfabrik stamping on the side. The uneven spacing and off line positioning of some of the letters is the tipoff. An original Mauser would be totally in line and evenly spaced, since the stamping would have been with a single die.
Link Posted: 11/18/2002 7:19:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/18/2002 7:20:56 PM EDT by DK-Prof]
Originally Posted By shamayim: I'd be willing to bet the whole thing was made in China, including the Mauserfabrik stamping on the side. The uneven spacing and off line positioning of some of the letters is the tipoff. An original Mauser would be totally in line and evenly spaced, since the stamping would have been with a single die.
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You think? It wouldn't necessarily surprise me, since I know quite little about these things. Here is a better picture of the stamp - the letters do not look that uneven to me, but (like I said) I don't know what I'm talking about, so definitely any information is good: [img]http://www.olin.wustl.edu/faculty/langfred/stamp5.jpg[/img] Here is a different lower I have, that I'm pretty sure is original Mauser - slightly different variation - but the letters don't neccessarily look any more (or less) lined up. [img]http://www.olin.wustl.edu/faculty/langfred/stamp4.jpg[/img] Does this tell you anything?
Link Posted: 11/19/2002 4:16:02 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/19/2002 4:41:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/19/2002 4:44:01 AM EDT by Hannah_Reitsch]
[url]http://www.northwest-denture.com/mauser1896[/url] This is an excellent Broomhandle page. If you scroll down the page with the photos, you will find a Chinese flag to click on that has better pics and translations of some of the Chinese markings. I did not see yours there, but the pic of your marks was a bit faint. IRL, you may be able to pick it out of the list. Also list some serial # ranges for Chinese and years of manufacture. In the future, we have a section for Mauser pistols in the Handguns Forum that I happen to moderate. Please post future Broomie questions there. [url]http://handguns.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?b=5&f=44[/url]
Link Posted: 11/19/2002 5:10:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/19/2002 5:11:39 AM EDT by shamayim]
Right, the second pic is a Mauser made pistol; but look at the first piece. The "I" in Fabrik goes higher than the other letters, the "E" in Neckar drops lower at the bottom, and the whole of Oberndorf seems to angle upward, tho that might be a camera angle thing. Also, look at the difference in the final "R" with the other R's in the marking. Actually, I've seen a lot worse copies of the Mauser markings over the years, but I'm still betting that the first set of markings are not German original.
Link Posted: 11/19/2002 12:10:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By shamayim: Right, the second pic is a Mauser made pistol; but look at the first piece. The "I" in Fabrik goes higher than the other letters, the "E" in Neckar drops lower at the bottom, and the whole of Oberndorf seems to angle upward, tho that might be a camera angle thing. Also, look at the difference in the final "R" with the other R's in the marking. Actually, I've seen a lot worse copies of the Mauser markings over the years, but I'm still betting that the first set of markings are not German original.
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Thanks - I actually think it's pretty cool to have one "original" broomhandle, and one chinese copy - but a really accurate copy, and not a "slab-side" lookalike.
Link Posted: 11/19/2002 12:11:27 PM EDT
Thanks Hannah_Reitsch - lots of neat info on that page [:D]
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