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Posted: 11/15/2002 12:11:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/15/2002 12:16:35 PM EDT by Hawkeye]
Link Posted: 11/15/2002 12:18:54 PM EDT
No, the dead include soldiers, including one "high ranking" IDF officer. The area is one of the most heavily guarded in the West Bank. This is a cock up, heads are going to roll over this.
Link Posted: 11/15/2002 12:33:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/15/2002 12:53:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/15/2002 12:56:08 PM EDT by ArmdLbrl]
But then there was this:
Israeli media reported that soldiers attempting to assist civilians under fire were caught in an ambush that included sniper fire from the hilltop suburb of Abu Sneineh.
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Which I took to mean that the local QRF got ambushed as it tried to go to the rescue. Its classic, happened all the time in Vietnam. And also, you must remember the settlers there are nearly always armed and most are IDF reservists.
Link Posted: 11/15/2002 4:01:53 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/15/2002 4:10:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/15/2002 4:11:05 PM EDT by ChrisLe]
Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl: No, the dead include soldiers, including one "high ranking" IDF officer.
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Actually, the POS terrorists fired on a group of innocent, unarmed civilians [b][u]first[/u][/b] in order to draw the IDF into a second, separate ambush...
Link Posted: 11/18/2002 1:29:45 AM EDT
Israeli settlers are ALWAYS escorted by a large number of IDF soldiers, i don't think they just stroll around palestinian areas without guns and IDF support.
Link Posted: 11/18/2002 3:07:24 AM EDT
Originally Posted By coltar1five: Israeli settlers are ALWAYS escorted by a large number of IDF soldiers, i don't think they just stroll around palestinian areas without guns and IDF support.
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Actually, settlers are not always escorted by the IDF. Usually only when they go such areas as the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron or Joseph Tomb in Nablus (before it was burned down). Otherwise, they zig zag around in their own cars.
Link Posted: 11/18/2002 1:25:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/18/2002 1:26:39 PM EDT by coltar1five]
Joseph tomb wasn't burned down, that's a lie, read more about it, by the way, this article was written by a Jew. [url]http://www.hoffman-info.com/palestine42.html [/url]
Link Posted: 11/18/2002 9:16:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/18/2002 9:19:55 PM EDT by olowy]
Originally Posted By coltar1five: Joseph tomb wasn't burned down, that's a lie, read more about it, by the way, this article was written by a Jew. [url]http://www.hoffman-info.com/palestine42.html [/url]
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I'll take your story, and raise it with pictures. Actually it was burned, and it was not a lie. http://www.shechem.org/kyos/engkyos.html Also, the article states "The holy places of Jerusalem, Bethlehem, Hebron would be safe in Palestinian hands" What it doesn't mention is that the Jericho Synagogue which was under full PA control and under the Oslo Accord II Interim Accord (Article 5 of Annex I of Oslo Accord II) whose protection of the site was the responsibility of the Palestinian Police(as was Jospeh's tomb) and which had no Israeli military forces was also destroyed. I also like the part where the author said they were attacking the army base not the religious site, but yet burned torahs, attack the tomb, and turned the site into a mosque. And so what if the author is Jewish? Noam Chomisky is Jewish and an asshole so what?
Link Posted: 11/19/2002 12:32:23 AM EDT
the palestinians controlled the land from around 70AD to 1948. why didn't they destroy the church of the nativity in bethlehem and all the other christian and jewish holy sites in the holy land. I just can't follow your logic, you think like anti-gunners, no logic just emotion.
Link Posted: 11/19/2002 1:24:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By coltar1five: the palestinians controlled the land from around 70AD to 1948. why didn't they destroy the church of the nativity in bethlehem and all the other christian and jewish holy sites in the holy land. I just can't follow your logic, you think like anti-gunners, no logic just emotion.
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And you are misinformed, sorry. Jewish people have been in holyland even after 70 AD: communities were present in Zfat, Tveria, Jerusalem. 1) The Muslim were indeed more respecteful than Christian, that equally slaughtered in 1029 Muslims, Jews and Christians when they "liberated" Jerusalem in the 1st Crusade, but the Hurva Sinagogue (and others...) were burned under the Ottoman Empire. 2) The Holy Sepulchre and the tiny space between an Arab quarter and the Wailing Wall was known among Arabs as "The Garbage Dump", and in various ages, according if the ruler was tolerant or less, this was the destination for those holy places. 3) The Joseph Tomb, during the present Intifada was burned: or should I suppose that the smoke coming out the temple were fireworks to celebrate IDF end Yeshivah departure from that place? 4) Noam Chomsky is a Jew too much in love with his leftist perception of the reality to consider miserable things like FACTS...
Link Posted: 11/19/2002 2:32:44 AM EDT
PaoloAR15, and how many jews lived in the holy land after 70AD.? the answer is around 2000 total, 99.9% of today's jews living in the holy land are not even second generation Israelis.
Link Posted: 11/19/2002 2:41:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By coltar1five: PaoloAR15, and how many jews lived in the holy land after 70AD.? the answer is around 2000 total, 99.9% of today's jews living in the holy land are not even second generation Israelis.
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The figure is ten times the number you said. I'll check in my sources. Even saying that you are right, the Jews were subjected to many pogroms in 2000 years. So what's your point?
Link Posted: 11/19/2002 3:25:27 AM EDT
Paolo, Forget it, This guy just wants to pretend he knows something that nobody else does; by quoting the phony statistics, and BS "history" he read on an Arab funded web site. Actually, the "history" doesn't matter. It's the reality of the current day that does; and the reality is that there are four and a half (or is it five by now?) million people in Israel who just want to be left alone in peace, in a land that they reclaimed from waste and desert, and a bunch of Arab murderers won't let them. They wouldn't accept partition in 1948, and they won't take a two state solution now (and I don't give a damn what Arafat says in English, he and his crew still preach Israel's destruction in Arabic). If the North Carolina "know nothing" wants to take the Arab side, why fight with him over it? As an American he has a perfect right to be 100% wrong [:D]
Link Posted: 11/19/2002 4:45:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By shamayim: Paolo, Forget it, This guy just wants to pretend he knows something that nobody else does; by quoting the phony statistics, and BS "history" he read on an Arab funded web site. Actually, the "history" doesn't matter. It's the reality of the current day that does; and the reality is that there are four and a half (or is it five by now?) million people in Israel who just want to be left alone in peace, in a land that they reclaimed from waste and desert, and a bunch of Arab murderers won't let them. They wouldn't accept partition in 1948, and they won't take a two state solution now (and I don't give a damn what Arafat says in English, he and his crew still preach Israel's destruction in Arabic). If the North Carolina "know nothing" wants to take the Arab side, why fight with him over it? As an American he has a perfect right to be 100% wrong [:D]
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As American and as a person, I would add. 1st Emendament is one of the things I like the most of your law system. After the 1st the 2nd Emendament is my favourite. But, after all, is so painful to see people feeding his mind with crap...
Link Posted: 11/19/2002 4:57:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By coltar1five: Joseph tomb wasn't burned down, that's a lie, read more about it, by the way, this article was written by a Jew. [url]http://www.hoffman-info.com/palestine42.html [/url]
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What amount of creditability do you believe should be automatically bestowed on Jews when discussing other Jews??? 100%, I THINK NOT. There is even a term to cover these Chomsky-ites. "Self Loathing Jews".
Link Posted: 11/19/2002 5:02:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/19/2002 5:06:10 AM EDT by DoubleYouDoubleYou]
Originally Posted By coltar1five: PaoloAR15, and how many jews lived in the holy land after 70AD.? the answer is around 2000 total, 99.9% of today's jews living in the holy land are not even second generation Israelis.
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Instead of pulling these "FACTS" out your ass, why not entertain us by your returning to pulling monkeys out your ass...
Link Posted: 11/19/2002 10:04:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/19/2002 10:15:46 PM EDT by olowy]
Originally Posted By coltar1five: the palestinians controlled the land from around 70AD to 1948. why didn't they destroy the church of the nativity in bethlehem and all the other christian and jewish holy sites in the holy land. I just can't follow your logic, you think like anti-gunners, no logic just emotion.
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NOt to go off topic: Hmm, when Jordan controlled East Jerusalem, they desecrated Jewish holy places. King Hussein permitted the construction of a road to the Intercontinental Hotel across the Mount of Olives cemetery. Hundreds of Jewish graves were destroyed by a highway that could have easily been built elsewhere. The gravestones, honoring the memory of rabbis and sages, were used by the engineer corps of the Jordanian Arab Legion as pavement and latrines in army camps (inscriptions on the stones were still visible when Israel liberated the city). The ancient Jewish Quarter of the Old City was ravaged, 58 Jerusalem synagogues — some centuries old — were destroyed or ruined, others were turned into stables and chicken coops. Slum dwellings were built abutting the Western Wall. Also, the palestinians controlled the land. That whole Ottman Empire, British Empire,the Crusades (among others) must have just been by imagination. On topic, it is interesting that the attack occurred in Hebron, which was part of the 'Judea first' initiative started by the former defense minister where the PA authorities were suppose to keep the peace. However, it is not a suprise, because this has been the pattern that after the IDF leaves an area, an attack is launched from that area, the IDF reenters, and the palestinians and their supports cry that that the IDF entered Area A territory.
Link Posted: 11/20/2002 8:52:56 AM EDT
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