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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:00:53 PM EDT
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An excellent question. Not to mention what will happen to all of the Forms currently pending using trusts... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So will this effect NFA items already procured via trust or all new NFA items procured after a certain date? -Anyone care to speculate? An excellent question. Not to mention what will happen to all of the Forms currently pending using trusts... 2 for me currently. 
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:01:27 PM EDT
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This would create an epic clusterfuck while adding absolutely no safeguards. Thus, they will probably do it.
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:02:05 PM EDT
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That's even better. He doesn't need to sign anything and can't do anything to stop it. Send him a pic with a big shit eatin grin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FUCK my local sheriff is a dick  Very good idea I'm going to do that 
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:04:59 PM EDT
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Shit. I've got three corporate forms in the pipe right now.
I fail to see how this will be enforceable from a corp standpoint. Didn't the supreme court rule that "corporations are people" a long time ago? Wouldn't an executive order more or less claim counter to that, that corporations AREN'T people and that actual people need to submit their info? I can't speak for Obama, the ATF or the Supreme Court but my COMPANY owns my NFA items, not me. While it is true that I am the sole member of my company it is still the CORP that holds the weapons. This is actually a fairly important legal delineation for some people. |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:05:01 PM EDT
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Very good idea I'm going to do that
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FUCK my local sheriff is a dick Very good idea I'm going to do that
I did a trust because it's none of the local cops' business what I own. Gun-related or otherwise. There is no potential benefit to them knowing what you have. But plenty of potential downside. |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:05:04 PM EDT
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My guess is that if the rule changed now, they'd kick your form back for not having all of the required papers when they finally got to it in 6 or 8 months. Forward, to Progress. Glorious 5 year plan forms for great gun-owning freedom. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So will this effect NFA items already procured via trust or all new NFA items procured after a certain date? -Anyone care to speculate? An excellent question. Not to mention what will happen to all of the Forms currently pending using trusts... My guess is that if the rule changed now, they'd kick your form back for not having all of the required papers when they finally got to it in 6 or 8 months. Forward, to Progress. Glorious 5 year plan forms for great gun-owning freedom. I imagine you're correct about this |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:05:51 PM EDT
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Is there actual legislation on this horseshit? Or is he just going to will this "loophole" away? We need to contact lawmakers and tell them NO. I know this is preaching to the choir, but what criminal is going to make a trust, pay 15000 for a MG, then wait 8 months for the stamp.  Yeah, it's for the children, pick up that can.Don't forget the nics check when the transfer is finally approved. |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:07:07 PM EDT
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It doesn't require you to obtain approval from the Chief of Police, just lets him know. So lets say he decides to drop by one day with the local SRT team to make sure everything is in order. He better have a warrant or your collection will grow exponentially? |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:09:12 PM EDT
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I'm more pissed off at the fact that we even have a damn NFA in the first place.
In before the tarts that think the NFA is awesome and keeps us safe. |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:13:38 PM EDT
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He better have a warrant or your collection will grow exponentially? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It doesn't require you to obtain approval from the Chief of Police, just lets him know. So lets say he decides to drop by one day with the local SRT team to make sure everything is in order. He better have a warrant or your collection will grow exponentially? lol |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:13:57 PM EDT
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I did a trust because it's none of the local cops' business what I own. Gun-related or otherwise. There is no potential benefit to them knowing what you have. But plenty of potential downside. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FUCK my local sheriff is a dick Very good idea I'm going to do that
I did a trust because it's none of the local cops' business what I own. Gun-related or otherwise. There is no potential benefit to them knowing what you have. But plenty of potential downside. I agree with you 100% on that |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:17:04 PM EDT
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Sounds fine and dandy till the Chief of Police decides he doesn't want to sign of on it, then what ? Sounds like an excuse to prevent anymore forms submitted to be approved. BINGO |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:17:12 PM EDT
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I am not sure about everyone else but every class 3/NFA item I have had a form 4473 filled out on it when picked up. I provide photo ID- DL and CHL when I do this. So how is that machine guns and sawed off shotguns are bought without picture ID, fingerprints, or background checks?
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:17:27 PM EDT
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Don't forget the nics check when the transfer is finally approved. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there actual legislation on this horseshit? Or is he just going to will this "loophole" away? We need to contact lawmakers and tell them NO. I know this is preaching to the choir, but what criminal is going to make a trust, pay 15000 for a MG, then wait 8 months for the stamp. Yeah, it's for the children, pick up that can.Don't forget the nics check when the transfer is finally approved. There is no NICS on NFA items. They are exempt but you still have to fill out the 4473. |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:21:08 PM EDT
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I am not sure about everyone else but every class 3/NFA item I have had a form 4473 filled out on it when picked up. I provide photo ID- DL and CHL when I do this. So how is that machine guns and sawed off shotguns are bought without picture ID, fingerprints, or background checks? They don't call in the 4473, so no "background check" is performed at the point of sale. That's the only difference over any other Title 1 gun. The only "loophole" that exists is that a prohibited person could in theory be added to a trust/llc and acquire NFA items that way, which I'm pretty sure is still illegal. This change is nothing but bullshit designed to make the process take longer than it already does. |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:23:02 PM EDT
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Whole nfa needs to be challenged
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:25:57 PM EDT
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I haven't read anything on it recently, but part of the whole rule review thing was supposed to be the elimination of the CLEO signoff. Don't know if that's a part of what's being referenced in the article. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds fine and dandy till the Chief of Police decides he doesn't want to sign of on it, then what ? Sounds like an excuse to prevent anymore forms submitted to be approved. I haven't read anything on it recently, but part of the whole rule review thing was supposed to be the elimination of the CLEO signoff. Don't know if that's a part of what's being referenced in the article. Somehow I predict that eliminating CLEO sign off will be seen as another "loophole," and those of us with anti-gun CLEOs are getting screwed. |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:27:06 PM EDT
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Is there actual legislation on this horseshit? Or is he just going to will this "loophole" away? We need to contact lawmakers and tell them NO. I know this is preaching to the choir, but what criminal is going to make a trust, pay 15000 for a MG, then wait 8 months for the stamp. Yeah, it's for the children, pick up that can.Haha. Like the Feds need legislation to do whatever they want. No, this just a "change to the regulations." |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:29:08 PM EDT
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If it's not banned, it will be mandatory. Discretion is freedom and will not be tolerated.
- Your government overlords. Fuck. Them. All. |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:30:18 PM EDT
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Has it been asked already?
In my location, the local statist fuckhead CLEO will refuse to sign off on forms. What happens then? ETA: nevermind, answered above. I still don't want any local LEOs knowing I have it. I'm in serious enemy territory. |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:31:54 PM EDT
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I am not sure about everyone else but every class 3/NFA item I have had a form 4473 filled out on it when picked up. I provide photo ID- DL and CHL when I do this. So how is that machine guns and sawed off shotguns are bought without picture ID, fingerprints, or background checks? No 4473 is filled out for Form 1's. |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:32:06 PM EDT
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It doesn't require you to obtain approval from the Chief of Police, just lets him know. So lets say he decides to drop by one day with the local SRT team to make sure everything is in order. That's the same process with a C&R license. You simply have to notify the CLEO that you are a C&R license holder and send him a copy of your application. Here's a copy of what I send my CLEO each time my C&R renews: To: Hays County Sheriff’s Office Attention: Sheriff Tommy Ratliff RE: Curio and Relic firearms license renewal October 17, 2011 Dear Sheriff Ratliff, As required by the BATF, I am submitting to you (CLEO) a copy of my completed renewal form for my Curio and Relic firearms license. NO ACTION ON YOUR PART IS REQUIRED. The BATF simply requires that I mail you a copy of the completed application, which I assume is to make you aware that a resident of your county is in possession of a Curio and Relic firearms license. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, 57Strat |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:32:13 PM EDT
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It's funny how they couldn't do away with the "Black Rifles", couldn't agree on banning the 30 round mags, tried to do away with STAND YOUR GROUND, completely forgot about Fast & Furious and even BENGHAZI. So now lets attack a freedom that has little significance on anything that has led to any crimes. Just wait till this hits the LEFTIST MEDIA.
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:35:19 PM EDT
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Just another link in your chains.
Why do you guys think the govt will make laws to help you instead of controlling you. As one traitor said, there is no controlling legal authority. Only what your plantation masters decide you are allowed to do. |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:36:06 PM EDT
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Tag to see how this will affect my corporations assets.
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:50:33 PM EDT
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It's funny how they couldn't do away with the "Black Rifles", couldn't agree on banning the 30 round mags, tried to do away with STAND YOUR GROUND, completely forgot about Fast & Furious and even BENGHAZI. So now lets attack a freedom that has little significance on anything that has led to any crimes. Just wait till this hits the LEFTIST MEDIA. The ATF whined to Holder that they where getting buried by all the NFA paperwork.........so now they get just send it all back. |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:50:51 PM EDT
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Has it been asked already? In my location, the local statist fuckhead CLEO will refuse to sign off on forms. What happens then? ETA: nevermind, answered above. I still don't want any local LEOs knowing I have it. I'm in serious enemy territory. I know. Not only am I in enemy territory, but I work for said territory, and have a not entirely irrational fear that some restrictive internal policy could result from the brass knowing what folks own. |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 2:58:27 PM EDT
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I like how I have to pay an extra $200 and be finger printed for a muffler.
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Posted: 8/22/2013 3:00:36 PM EDT
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It seems worth the effort. These items are used in so many senseless crimes.
I wonder how they plan on handling retro items? |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 3:04:04 PM EDT
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I think I'll submit an SBR application immediately.
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Posted: 8/22/2013 3:05:56 PM EDT
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FBHO And Eric Holder..... |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 3:54:18 PM EDT
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Those Expensive NFA items, always being used in the vast majority of shootings...
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Posted: 8/22/2013 3:59:14 PM EDT
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Those Expensive NFA items, always being used in the vast majority of shootings... But, but, but it's a LOOPHOLE!
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Posted: 8/22/2013 4:04:13 PM EDT
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Lol they are just now getting to that?
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Posted: 8/22/2013 4:06:36 PM EDT
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Like I said......this is because NFA branch is swamped with SBR/SBS and suppressor paperwork. So if half of that is trust related ......they could just kick all back. Figure that most people who went the trust route couldn't or wouldn't go the normal route ...and will maybe just give up.....It win/win for the ATF.
And of course ...Obama/Holder get brownie points from the anti gunner for stick it to us |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 4:07:12 PM EDT
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Fuck everyone that backs this bullshit
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Posted: 8/22/2013 4:11:39 PM EDT
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BHO's head
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Posted: 8/22/2013 4:15:26 PM EDT
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It seems worth the effort. These items are used in so many senseless crimes. I wonder how they plan on handling retro items? Yes, we all know about the tremendous crime committed with NFA trust weapons. Glad to see Obama on top of this problem. |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 4:17:57 PM EDT
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I wondered when the powers-that-be would catch on to this.
Fuckers. |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 4:20:10 PM EDT
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FUCK my local sheriff is a dick Yep. Dick. |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 4:25:07 PM EDT
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That's fine. I lost all my fingers in a machinery accident.
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Posted: 8/22/2013 4:34:09 PM EDT
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This really pisses me off, I'm currently talking to lawyer about getting a trust made.
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Posted: 8/22/2013 4:34:22 PM EDT
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Wow this should have a huge impact on crime.
Since 1934 there has been ONE murder committed with a registered MG. That case involved a police officer that was convicted of murdering his wife. How many murders have been committed by people with NFA firearms using trusts? ZERO. Yup, Americans should rest easy now that NFA trusts are under control...... |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 4:36:43 PM EDT
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Horay!
ETA: I was just discussing getting a trust and transfering my 2 current NFA toys to it so I don't need to worry about them be accessible to members of my household who would be trustees. |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 4:37:18 PM EDT
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Old news. This has been in the works for awhile. You will have to submit prints with the trust and the CLEO signoff will go away for the individual route. This Nothing new here, all this is old news to anyone into NFA. |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 4:41:49 PM EDT
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So what happens to your form1's sign by the Sherriff when you die?
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Posted: 8/22/2013 4:42:26 PM EDT
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Why do libs refer to everything they don't like as a "loophole"?
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Posted: 8/22/2013 4:45:56 PM EDT
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Why do libs refer to everything they don't like as a "loophole"? Because that's exactly the way they view freedom. |
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Posted: 8/22/2013 4:47:01 PM EDT
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This Nothing new here, all this is old news to anyone into NFA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Old news. This has been in the works for awhile. You will have to submit prints with the trust and the CLEO signoff will go away for the individual route. This Nothing new here, all this is old news to anyone into NFA. And if your fingerprints are dicked up.....SOL
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Posted: 8/22/2013 4:47:15 PM EDT
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They can take the loophole and stuff it in their poophole.
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