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Posted: 10/27/2002 4:15:15 PM EDT
I guess they've realized that the only thing the AWB banned was flash suppressors and bayonet lugs. [url]http://www.bradycampaign.org/[/url] "The federal assault weapon law banning military style semiautomatic weapons needs to be enforced and renewed. The Bushmaster is a copycat assault weapon modeled on the military's M-16 and it should not be sold. In enacting the assault weapon law in 1994, it was clearly the intent of Congress to ban all semi-automatic assault weapons. That's why it banned not only several specific models, but also "copies or duplicates" of those guns. One of the listed models is the Colt AR-15. There is a strong argument that the Bushmaster used by the sniper is a "copy" of the Colt AR-15 and is therefore banned under existing law. If the Bush Administration is serious that existing gun laws need to be vigorously enforced, why has it allowed this gun to be sold? Why is it not using the broadest possible interpretation of the existing statute to enforce the intent of Congress in enacting the ban? Bushmaster tried to avoid the intent and spirit of the federal ban by manufacturing a weapon with minor modifications that obviously did not reduce the combat nature of this weapon."
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 4:23:25 PM EDT
Why the hell are they blaming Bush for a law he neither wrote nor signed into law? What's he supposed to do?
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 4:28:16 PM EDT
No. It's opportunistic on their part. Anything happens with guns in America, they leap to ban all guns. They have left their original idealogy of making America safer...it's almost demonic now. They are driven to TAKE guns away...phuq the second ammendment. They will not stop EVEN if all guns were banned. They would find something else to take. Remember...they fight vehemently to kill unborn babies. No common sense or humanity left in these liberals. [b][blue]NAKED[/blue][/b]
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 4:31:50 PM EDT
my response to the Brady Bunghole Camp the Constitution has a Bill of Rights which states, "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" so kiss my ass. and if you think they will be banned, you're wrong. if "they" do ban the exsisting weapons, that is in violation of the Constitution and "you people" should expect trouble. serious trouble. any questions? coltc.
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 4:32:57 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 4:34:40 PM EDT
WHAAAAAAH! My ovaries hurt! What a bunch of dumbfuckgoobersmoochers! They got what they asked for but not what they wanted. Time to feed the hogs.
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 4:44:23 PM EDT
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From a [url=http://www.bradycampaign.org/press/release.asp?Record=435]press release[/url] at the same site: For Immediate Release: 10/26/2002 [b]Statement of Jim and Sarah Brady on the Death of Senator Paul Wellstone[/b] "We are personally shocked and saddened by the sudden deaths of our dear friend Senator Paul Wellstone, his wife Sheila, daughter Marcia, and his devoted staff. America has lost a leader of conscience and commitment. "Both Jim and I were honored to have known Senator Wellstone. He was a dynamic and responsible leader, especially when it came to sensible gun laws. Over the years we worked closely with him on many issues, including passage of the Brady Law, the Assault Weapons Ban, and closing the gun show loophole. He was a sweet, gentle man with remarkable strength of conviction. His absence will be deeply felt not only in Minnesota but around the country for his integrity, his decency and the ideals he fought for throughout his career. "Our hearts go out to Senator Wellstones' family, particularly to his sons David and Mark. The Senator leaves a legacy of courage and vision to his family, his state and this country."
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 4:54:02 PM EDT
Blah,Blah,Blah... more whiney, pablum dribbleing, thumb sucking, left wing, pitifull pansie paradeing. Big suprise. Who really gives a shit? America exists because of firearms. America remains the land of the free because of firearms. Men and Women with firearms continue to protect these bleeding asshole's right to whine about firearms. How Ironic.
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 4:55:46 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/27/2002 5:15:39 PM EDT
Guys, I just checked out that site for the first time. I'm really pissed at the NRA now. With all the money we've given them you would think they could run a site as well designed as that one. Just a thought.
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 5:23:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By raven: Why the hell are they blaming Bush for a law he neither wrote nor signed into law? What's he supposed to do?
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"If the Bush Administration is serious that existing gun laws need to be vigorously enforced, why has it allowed this gun to be sold?" Uhhhhh, maybe because there's nothing illegal about selling them? "Why is it not using the broadest possible interpretation of the existing statute to enforce the intent of Congress in enacting the ban?" IOW, why isn't the Bush administration bending the law the way they'd like to see it applied. These fucking brain dead ass-crickets are grasping for straws. If the "broadest possible interpretation of the existing statute" were possible then why didn't Klinton take that approach? What gets my ass is that their main beef with SAW's is their sustained rate of fire and magazine capacities. They've conveniently ignored the fact that the MD serial killers didn't even need a semi-auto or box type magazines to do what they did. If they had gone around clubbing people to death with it instead the Brady Baboons would still put a spin on it to meet their agenda.
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 5:35:04 PM EDT
WHAT REALLY BURNS ME UP OVER THIS CRAP IS THAT THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT OF THE ANTI-GUN FOLKS TO VOICE THEIR OPINIONS IS DEFENDED BY ... I love this part... PEOPLE WITH GUNS. I'm so pissed off over this stuff. How can people truly be that naive! I'm supposed to support and comply with a government that won't trust me with a semi auto!? Thank GOD those bolt and lever actions don't kill people... Oh wait, sorry, I'm preaching to the choir. If you don't belong to the NRA, you'd better sign up quick...because "ALL YOUR SEMI's ARE BELONG TO US!"
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 5:39:22 PM EDT
Guns don't kill guns, people kill guns...
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 6:01:31 PM EDT
I wonder how the Brady Bunch would react to allowing new MG's to be produced for the masses again. What we need is a diversion like that to get them off of this stupid AW ban they keep drooling over.
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 6:02:59 PM EDT
What's new. The bradys can eat my sh!t.
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 6:14:43 PM EDT
I suppose she finds bolt guns in, say 308, less menancing?
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 6:17:02 PM EDT
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[img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/angryfire.gif[/img] [img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/brdflick.gif[/img] [img]http://www.stopstart.btinternet.co.uk/sm/countdown.gif[/img] ..... some people are just so stupid.....
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 6:18:45 PM EDT
"Bushmaster tried to avoid the intent and spirit of the federal ban by manufacturing a weapon with minor modifications that obviously did not reduce the combat nature of this weapon."
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So they're admitting that the original Krime Bill Assault Weapon Ban was stoopid, as bayo lugs, flash suppressor, collapsible stocks, and pistol grips don't kill people? My guess is that they never conceded as much while debating the Krime Bill. Guess we can expect, after they get all semi-auto rifles banned, for them to come back and suddenly realize that it was the BULLET that kills people. All those bolt action manufacturers were trying to avoid the spirit and intention of Krime Bill II by still manufacturing guns that could be used to kill people. Then they'll have to ban ammunition to plug up that "loophole." If this isn't a perfect example of the flawed logic of the gun control crowd, I don't know what is.... [BTW I'm one of those who is still optimistic that the '94 Krime Bill will not be replaced. Guess we'll start to see whether that's a realistic possibility in another 9 days.]
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 6:35:49 PM EDT
The sniper didn't shoot more than one shot in succession, therefore, why the HELL are they blaming the gun again... they are so f***ing stupid its unreal! THESE DEMOCRATS HAVE NO F***ING COMMON SENSE AMD SPIT OUT THEIR MISCONSTRUED FACTS ABOUT GUNS, WHEN THEY KNOW NOTHING OF THEM TO BEGIN WITH. THEY WATCH TO MANY MOVIES AND DO NOT KNOW THE REALITY OF WHAT THEY ARE SPEAKING OF.
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 6:36:39 PM EDT
I'm cautiously optimistic that the AWB will not be replaced. But if it is, it won't be the same old AWB. They've learned from their mistake. A new AWB would likely be permanent, and would stop all manufacture of "assault weapons". I can't wait to see a draft of a new AWB proposal.
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 6:41:41 PM EDT
[size=4]MOLON LABE !!!![/SIZE=4]
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 7:48:06 PM EDT
I'm hoping the 'scary looking gun' law won't get renewed as well. Even going to do my part and vote Republican in the national elections instead of libertarian to increase the chances of the bill not getting renewed. I wish the brady bitches would go and try to fire an AR from the hip and see if they can hit the inside of a room, and WHO THE HELL can fire a semi at 6 rounds a second?
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 8:01:35 PM EDT
I've been away for a while, but this thread has got me pissed off! The fuuny thing is, if this guy had been using a bolt action, instead of a Bushmaster, he could have made a lot better placed shots, at much farther distances, and there would most likely be no survivors. Those people are idiots.
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 8:06:28 PM EDT
The brady assholes probabley knew the first awb ban would not stop AR's from being sold when it was passed. They knew that manufacturers would just take off bayo lugs, flash suppressors, and collapseable stocks. However they also knew that an outright ban on ALL semi autos would not of passed. So they took what they could get with the first awb hoping that down the road they could strenghthen it up. Now they can say - see we tried banning the military features and manufacturers just found a way around it, so what we really need to do is ban ALL semi autos.
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 8:14:14 PM EDT
You guys aren't seeing the whole picture. The antigun nuts know EXACTLY how guns work. They know EXACTLY what the laws say just as well as we do! They know what guns have what functions, what features, etc. etc. I'm telling you, they know just as much about guns and ammo as we do. Wake up guys. Their long term agenda is to BAN ALL GUNS, NO MATTER HOW HARMLESS they are. When I read the title to this thread, the first thing I thought was "You mean you didn't know this already?" They want to ban the private ownership of every single freaking gun on the face of the earth, whether its a MAG58 or a damn single shot TC Encore. They don't fucking care!!!! Get it through your heads people. They are not stupid. They know exactly who they're speaking to: the uneducated mob who are so ignorant that any gun that looks scary to them is "automagically" full auto. I have gotten so used to their tactics over the last 12 years that nothing comes out of their mouths that surprises me. It's the same stupid socialist scare tactics over and over and over again. All of this shouldn't be new to anyone who exercises their RKBA. We have to fight them and defeat them. That's the only way they'll shut the hell up. Once Sarah Brady dies, rest assured some bastard will take her place. This is a socialist movement we are fighting and not just some silly woman's dream.
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 8:16:42 PM EDT
What do you know, the nation's biggest anti-gun organization has politicized yet another tragedy and is trying to ban more guns. Big surprise. The real question is whether anyone is buying their crap. We may get a hint of that on November 5th.
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 8:33:01 PM EDT
Well' it's time to feed the hogs...but then again they may not like the taste of tobacco
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 8:34:00 PM EDT
Black Rifle = Assault Rifle does Black Muslim = Assault Muslim Ban Assault Muslims
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 8:41:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Buddyman: Wake up guys. Their long term agenda is to BAN ALL GUNS, NO MATTER HOW HARMLESS they are. When I read the title to this thread, the first thing I thought was "You mean you didn't know this already?"
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Close to what I was thnking; "No, where did THIS come from???" But actually I have to disagree with you, They MUST be stupid, there is no other explination. And I really really hate it when these people say we have to cave in and give them something (like ballistics fingerprinting). I stand by the good ole' saying "Never compromise what's right". I also think this holds some water too....
Originally Posted By SPECTRE: MOLON LABE !!!!
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Link Posted: 10/27/2002 8:51:49 PM EDT
Well spoken..!! All the anti's & politicians are not stupid, SO IT MUST BE A CONSPIRICY..!! I've been down this road for 40 years, and it never ceases to amaze me how many gun owners do not belong to & support NRA LEAA CCRKBA SAF and also DO NOT VOTE. If you really want to do something about this situation, GET PEOPLE REGISTERD TO VOTE, then CALL THEM on election day and remind them who to vote for. I keep voter registration forms & NRA apps with me at all times. This is work, but if you educate people to vote and do the same recruiting as you, we can get things going in the right direction. (60 % of the people do not vote). Now, by god, there is a job for you..!!
Link Posted: 10/27/2002 9:00:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Buddyman: Wake up guys. Their long term agenda is to BAN ALL GUNS, NO MATTER HOW HARMLESS they are. When I read the title to this thread, the first thing I thought was "You mean you didn't know this already?"
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I think everybody knows that their ultimate goal is to ban all guns. I'm just pointing out their latest little plot.
Originally Posted By DocVaquero: And I really really hate it when these people say we have to cave in and give them something (like ballistics fingerprinting). I stand by the good ole' saying "Never compromise what's right".
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I'm with you on that. Some people think that if you throw a dog a bone, he'll stop yapping. Actually, he'll just keep coming back for more bones.
Link Posted: 10/28/2002 1:31:26 AM EDT
Using the recent beltway sniper shootings the Bushmaster XM15 series and other AR15 clones have definitively demonstrated that they are weapons particularly suited for criminal misuse. The Brady Campaign is correct in it's desire to get such firearms banned and has the backing of the Attorney General to do so.
Link Posted: 10/28/2002 1:39:19 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/28/2002 5:37:51 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By iamblades: WHO THE HELL can fire a semi at 6 rounds a second?
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It can actually be done... but you can place your shots better shooting semi-auto than having full-auto, and still have many rounds left in the gun...
Link Posted: 10/28/2002 5:55:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GovtThug: Bushmaster tried to avoid the intent and spirit of the federal ban by manufacturing a weapon with minor modifications that obviously [blue]did not reduce the combat nature of this weapon.[/blue]"
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One could only hope they would argue this point in court. US verses Miller, clearly upheld the idea of commonly used "militia" weapons being related to military combat.
Link Posted: 10/28/2002 5:59:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By themistocles3: Guys, I just checked out that site for the first time. I'm really pissed at the NRA now. With all the money we've given them you would think they could run a site as well designed as that one. Just a thought.
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Maybe so, but nra has nicer buildings, and even a museum, (which is where ALL your guns will be if you continue to support nra)....
Link Posted: 10/28/2002 6:00:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GovtThug: I guess they've realized that the only thing the AWB banned was flash suppressors and bayonet lugs. [url]http://www.bradycampaign.org/[/url] "If the Bush Administration is serious that existing gun laws need to be vigorously enforced, why has it allowed this gun to be sold? Why is it not using the broadest possible interpretation of the existing statute to enforce the intent of Congress in enacting the ban?"
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Maybe the bitch should pick up the phone and ask her buddy Bill why, for six YEARS, he did EXACTLY the SAME thing she's accusing BUSH of doing... Maybe I'll hold on to my pre-ban Mini-14 after all...
Link Posted: 10/28/2002 6:11:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Imbroglio: Using the recent beltway sniper shootings the Bushmaster XM15 series and other AR15 clones have definitively demonstrated that they are [red]"weapons particularly suited for criminal misuse."[/red] [blue]Quoting Bush appointed Attorney General John Ashcroft in the Emerson case.[/blue] The Brady Campaign is correct in it's desire to get such firearms banned and has the backing of the Attorney General to do so.
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Yep!
Link Posted: 10/28/2002 6:21:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Philadelphia_GunMan: The brady assholes probabley knew the first awb ban would not stop AR's from being sold when it was passed. They knew that manufacturers would just take off bayo lugs, flash suppressors, and collapseable stocks.
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I think you're giving them too much credit. Some California legislators were truly surprised and dismayed when their 1989 attempt to ban ARs et aln(Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act) failed.
However they also knew that an outright ban on ALL semi autos would not of passed. So they took what they could get with the first awb hoping that down the road they could strenghthen it up. Now they can say - see we tried banning the military features and manufacturers just found a way around it, so what we really need to do is ban ALL semi autos.
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That's a fact. Remember that when you vote.
Link Posted: 10/28/2002 6:32:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Imbroglio: Using the recent beltway sniper shootings the Bushmaster XM15 series and other AR15 clones have definitively demonstrated that they are weapons particularly suited for criminal misuse.
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Using the recent beltway sniper shootings the Chevy Caprice series have definitively demonstrated that they are weapons particularly suited for criminal misuse... =) BTW nice one about the museum liberty86...
Link Posted: 10/28/2002 6:41:42 AM EDT
I just called them to thank them for encouraging me to reaffirm my belief in the U.S. Constitution. I said their website was inspiring and I would do everything I could to alert my elected officials about the need to protect our citizens from those who wish to trample the 2nd Amendment. I would continue to defend this Nation and the Constitution from enemies both foriegn and domestic as I was sworn to years ago. I would suggest everyone call them to thank them, and also call your elected representatives to tell them to defend your freedoms.
Link Posted: 10/28/2002 6:52:55 AM EDT
The majority of americans know the anti- abortion crowd that pickets are nut cakes, I belive they also know that the rabid anti- gun crowd are nut cakes also.
Link Posted: 10/28/2002 7:11:30 AM EDT
Brady Campaign is so dumb. ATF found no records of the sale of the semi-automatic rifle! ATF doesn't know if there was a straw buyer or an illegal transfer yet. There is a reckless agenda to ban guns despite the fact that criminals will always have them, will get them via blackmarket, and any gun ban increases crime. Sorry, preaching to the choir again. Where's the nearest anti-gun forum (I've already been banned from DU)? Shok
Link Posted: 10/28/2002 7:32:39 AM EDT
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Apparently all their money can't buy competent proofreaders... [b]"The federal assault weapons ban expires in September 2004 and that the lawmakers elected this November will decide the fate of the law. [u]We want do not want[/u] more military-style weapons back on our streets!"[/b] Jackasses.
Link Posted: 10/28/2002 8:27:37 AM EDT
Maybe somebody will hack into their website and scre it up hopelessly. We can always hope.
Link Posted: 10/28/2002 8:41:36 AM EDT
I think the Brady Center's interpretation of the law is pretty reasonable. The BATF has chosen in its regulations not to interpret the law that way, but those regulations could be changed at any time. The courts would then follow the new regulations blindly - as they will do in almost all circumstances. From a legal persepctive, there would be no ex-post facto implications because the law has not changed, only its interpretation. All "post-ban" rifles would be illegal retroactively. This will probably happen eventually if the law is renewed. Have a nice day.
Link Posted: 10/28/2002 4:49:00 PM EDT
How come Sarah Brady wants to ban HIGH CALIBER .223 guns, yet she bought her son an even HIGHER CALIBER SNIPER RIFLE???? She is so fucked in the head-- its okay for her to do an illegal straw purchase to get her son a powerful sniper rifle, yet its not okay for us! [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=151580&w=myTopicPop[/url]
Link Posted: 10/28/2002 5:00:01 PM EDT
I like this: [b]While the investigation continues, it is clear that stronger gun laws would help law enforcement solve gun crimes and help prevent gun violence.[/b] They do not say "stop crime". Instead they say "gun crime". Well why not stop crime? Because criminals are still criminals, and it's not their fault.
Link Posted: 10/28/2002 5:13:30 PM EDT
The best way to end all this violence is to make murder illegal! Oh yeah, it already is [whacko]
Link Posted: 10/28/2002 5:18:34 PM EDT
In February of 1995, Diane Sawyer interviewed Diane Feinstein on 60 Minutes concerning the "Assualt Weapons Ban." Ms. Sawyer showed Feinstein a new Colt catalogue. Showed Feinstein how the same "Assault Weapon" is being manufactured sans Flash Supressor and Bayonet Lug. Feinstein was OUTRAGED!!! She declared that nobdy in the United States needed any weapon, and how, if it was in her power she would get all the guns out of our hands. The point is- they knew this 7 and a half years ago. They read the articles and publications that the NRA and others put out. They knew that the restrictions where superficial. They are in for the long haul....are you? I bought a new Colt Match Target the next day!!!
Link Posted: 10/28/2002 6:44:54 PM EDT
I have seen the list of "banned" weopons....pistol, rifles and shot guns. Also, seen the list of 'proposed' banned.... I made it a point to get the weopons on the proposed list....... and most on there are common things.......
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