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Posted: 10/20/2002 5:20:14 AM EDT
Here is a sample of what is fed to the masses. The New York Times October 20, 2002 Shopping for Sniper Rifles By STACY SULLIVAN http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/20/opinion/20SULL.html Then a sniper began shooting down people in suburban Maryland and Virginia earlier this month, followed by possible copycat shootings on Long Island last weekend, I wondered why it hadn't happened sooner. For the past three years, I have been doing research for a book on how a group of Kosovar Albanian émigrés in New York City helped build a guerrilla army by raising money and buying and shipping high-powered rifles from the United States to the Balkans. In March 2001, I accompanied one of the key fund-raisers for the Kosovo Liberation Army to a gun show in suburban Pennsylvania. Sports utility vehicles with "Sportsmen for Bush" bumper stickers lined the parking lot. Inside, a throng of people — mostly young men, but also a surprising number of families with children — strolled past tables laden with AK-47's, M-16 assault rifles, sniper rifles, handguns, flat and round bullets, brochures for the National Rifle Association, silencers, night scopes, knives, Japanese swords, muskets, daggers, even a couple of anti-aircraft guns, as well as paraphernalia from the Civil War, World War I and World War II. One gun dealer showed me a .32-caliber Thompson automatic weapon that shoots 32 rounds in less than 2.5 seconds. Another showed me a .22-caliber Bushmaster gun with a silencer that was described as "deadly quiet." The most impressive gun, however, was the .50-caliber high-powered Barrett sniper rifle. With the .50-caliber rifle, the dealer told me, a good marksman can kill a large animal from two miles away and an amateur could probably shoot a person from a mile away. He said he had armor-piercing, tracer and incendiary .50-caliber bullets available that could bring down a helicopter. The rifle was going for about $5,000. As I looked at the gun, my K.L.A. companion beckoned me over to another stand where a woman was selling a Barrett knock-off, a .50-caliber sniper rifle made by Armalite that was selling for just $2,495. The dealer told me all I had to do was hand over my driver's license for an "Insta-Check." "They call this an Insta-Check, but really it takes about 15 minutes," she said, referring to the background check she would have to do. As long as I didn't have a criminal record or live in the "People's Republic of New York City," so called among gun dealers because it's one of the few cities where it is illegal to possess any kind of firearm without a permit, the gun would be mine. I told her I did live in New York City, but that my driver's license was issued in California. In that case, she said, I'd probably be fine. The K.L.A. member bought a sniper rifle that day, along with a few other guns. Those weapons were promptly shipped overseas to Kosovo and Macedonia, another example of American gun laws inadvertently fueling foreign conflicts. Ever since that day at the Pennsylvania gun show, I've wondered how hard it would be to use one of those high-powered sniper-rifles. Last week, in a Times report, a retired New York City police detective and security executive, Richard Dietl, cleared that up a little. He said it took him one afternoon to teach his 12-year-old son how to hit a target in the torso from 200 yards away. The ease with which one can buy weapons at gun shows has not gone unnoticed by groups like Al Qaeda, which pointed this out in one of its training manuals. According to the Violence Policy Center, a gun control advocacy group, Osama bin Laden's agents in the United States purchased 25 high-powered sniper rifles to use in their war against the Soviets in Afghanistan in the late 1980's. What would stop them from using the guns against us at home? We have no idea whether the suburban sniper on the loose inside the Beltway is a foreign terrorist. It is clear, however, that our gun laws not only inadvertently fuel foreign conflicts but also enable terrorists to purchase guns to launch attacks against people on American soil. Gun control advocates have called for the creation of a ballistic imaging system to help law enforcement officers trace ammunition to the guns used to fire them. However, such a high-tech system would be of little use to law enforcement if the gunman bought his weapon more than three months before using it. Federal law mandates that background checks on gun buyers be kept on record for only 90 days, and Attorney General John Ashcroft has proposed shortening that time to 24 hours. The ability to trace the sniper's .223-caliber rifle and examine background-check records on the person who purchased it would be invaluable to the police investigation. Without it, I can't help wondering how many more victims there will be. Stacy Sullivan is the author of the forthcoming "From Brooklyn to Kosovo with Love and Guns."
Link Posted: 10/20/2002 5:27:23 AM EDT
This is bullshit on so many levels, I can't believe they printed that. Leaving all the .32 Caliber Thompson and similar stupidities alone, I'll just focus on [i]According to the Violence Policy Center, a gun control advocacy group, Osama bin Laden's agents in the United States purchased 25 high-powered sniper rifles to use in their war against the Soviets in Afghanistan in the late 1980's.[/i] That was back then when Bin Laden was our buddy and Langley provided his group with weapons to throw out the Russkis. He certainly didn't have to buy them at gun shows.
Link Posted: 10/20/2002 5:35:48 AM EDT
Boo hoo.
Link Posted: 10/20/2002 5:37:36 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/20/2002 5:38:36 AM EDT
stacy sullivan is a friggin sarah brady parrot clone.. FTB!
Link Posted: 10/20/2002 5:41:51 AM EDT
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What do you expect from a girl that thinks a Thompson shoots .32 caliber bullets and that silenced rifles are anywhere near "deadly" quiet? What's she doing writing newspaper stories anyway? Shouldn't she be in a kitchen somewhere cooking something or cleaning a bathroom? [;)]
Link Posted: 10/20/2002 5:43:46 AM EDT
Comments to the Editorial and Op-Ed pages of The New York Times. letters@nytimes.com
Link Posted: 10/20/2002 6:02:31 AM EDT
Ms Sullivan is a lone, misguided do-gooder. The real evil here is Tom Diaz and the Violence Policy Center. I wish a large rock from outer space would remove his ability to procreate.
Link Posted: 10/20/2002 6:06:28 AM EDT
Ask, and ye shall recieve... http://www.pewfellowships.org/fellows/1998/fall/sullivan.html Note that her e-mail address is under the pic. Fire away! BTW...copy and paste this. Don't link to it through this site.
Link Posted: 10/20/2002 6:22:03 AM EDT
Although Im not a Lawyer, I would believe Stacy Sullivan might be charged with a felon. Wouldn't it be against our gun laws to purchase guns and then send them over seas?? I would think it would. At the very least a Straw purchase.If so with her Knowingly going there to watch someone else break the Law and knowingly they was going to break the Law before hand would be an acomplice to the crime?? Why didnt she report the crimnal's to the BATF or local police?? She is an other anti gunner that by my reading the story twisted her own lack of knowledge about firearms for her own personal campaign.Another person thats anti American and wants to degrade our Constitutional rights .Why don't people just read about our Constitution, and the rights that was choosen by our forefathers to make sure they had in place all the checks and balances??Rant OFF, WD
Link Posted: 10/20/2002 7:17:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By WarDawg: [red]Although Im not a Lawyer, I would believe Stacy Sullivan might be charged with a felon. Wouldn't it be against our gun laws to purchase guns and then send them over seas?? I would think it would. At the very least a Straw purchase.[/red]If so with her Knowingly going there to watch someone else break the Law and knowingly they was going to break the Law before hand would be an acomplice to the crime?? Why didnt she report the crimnal's to the BATF or local police?? She is an other anti gunner that by my reading the story twisted her own lack of knowledge about firearms for her own personal campaign.Another person thats anti American and wants to degrade our Constitutional rights .Why don't people just read about our Constitution, and the rights that was choosen by our forefathers to make sure they had in place all the checks and balances??Rant OFF, WD
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My thoughts exactly. I wonder if one of the feds that hang out here might wanna check her out???
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Whore.
Link Posted: 10/20/2002 7:56:03 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Aimless: Duncan I was just thinking the same thing when I read this, but she doesn't say SHE bought the rifle, just that she went with the criminal, knew about the crime and allowed it to go forward. She only said she was told she could have bought it.
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Why couldn't she be charged with conspiracy, in that case? As for the rest of her story, I have to call BS on her claim of even having [i]been[/i] to a gun show. No mention of beanie babies, jerky, or "survival"-type books. [;)] edited for spelling
Link Posted: 10/20/2002 8:16:43 AM EDT
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This story actually makes me wonder about something. What exactly is included in NICS? I know it's a database of people who are NOT allowed to own firearms, as opposed to people who ARE allowed to own. I wonder if this is a flaw in the system. If I'm some damn foreigner [;)] who just got off the plane (or boat), if I got a U.S. driver's license in whatever state I got an apartment - could I pass a NICS check?? It seems that under the new rules, non-resident foreigners cannot buy firearms, but is every person that pasess through immigration control at all ports of entry IMMEDIATELY entered into NICS?? I would think the number of tourists and visitors to the U.S. alone every year would totally swamp the NICS system. Does anyone know the answer to this? Even thought most on this site are extremely opposed to ANY gun control, I'd think we'd all be in favor of keeping firearms out of the hands of foreigners who are temporarily in the country.
Link Posted: 10/20/2002 8:17:54 AM EDT
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