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Posted: 10/18/2002 3:58:32 AM EDT
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Quoted: Lawsuit time! Where the hell is the NRA, 2AF, and GOA? You guys need to start filing now. That is the problem i doubt we will hear from any of them. JPFO or GOA might issue a response but i can promise you the NRA will be nowhere around. In fact i almost expect the NRA to endorse the police actions. mike |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 5:20:46 AM EDT
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Imagine the shakedown you'd have gotten if you also happened to have a white van or truck in the driveway?
Makes me wonder if they're not in the process of cross-checking the list of AR/AK owners with DMV records of white van and truck owners? |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 5:36:00 AM EDT
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It's time to take your three-day bug-out-bag and camp on the mall in DC. This is outrageous. Sure, letters are nice, but show of FORCE is effective.
Peaceful assembly would be quite a demonstration. Who's going to plan it? Scott |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 5:41:07 AM EDT
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I own 3 .223 rifles, all on 4473s and have shot at Clark Bros. in the past 6 months. Noone has said anything to me yet, but I will let you know if they do.
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Posted: 10/18/2002 5:50:52 AM EDT
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Quoted: So the govt is for sure keeping a list of what we own now???? Im feeling extremely paranoid and contemplating selling my rifles. I can't be getting a visit from the Fbi if some nut starts shooting people in my town , it will ruin my reputation and hurt my business. And this guy, folks, is the reason why the JBTs feel free to do shit like this. |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 5:52:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: It's time to take your three-day bug-out-bag and camp on the mall in DC. This is outrageous. Sure, letters are nice, but show of FORCE is effective. Peaceful assembly would be quite a demonstration. Who's going to plan it? Scott I'd love to. I think there'd be about ten of us, though, since most guys wouldn't want to burn a couple of vacation days to do it. |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 5:57:27 AM EDT
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Quoted: ... I'm calling the FFL that transfered my AR to me to see if they have been visiting. Hopefully they don't bother me.. but I'd rather not be caught off guard when they show up. If they did, he was probably told not to divulge the information under threat of "obstruction of justice" or "hindering an investigation." Don't believe him - assume they did! he could say "I can't Say" which is the closest thing to YES withought saying "yes" that he could get away with. |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 6:01:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: Seems my name came up on the list of people who own AR-15s....now if that isn't proof of gun registration, I don't know what is... BTW, I didn't buy a PRE-BAN, but a POST BAN, which only has to go thru 4473 and NICS, not the MD State police.....guess the FIB has a list of all guns sold in this country from FFLs..... Anyway, I never met the FBI dudes personally. My grandmother wouldn't let them into the door or talk to them, just gave them my mother's phone number... Sounds to me like you come from a VERY GOOD family! (I'm hearing impaired BTW, and wouldn't have heard the doorbell) I wonder what would have happened if they rang the bell, got no answer, but saw you with your AR-15 "playing", (cleaning or carrying, guys), with it in the house. Anyway, my mother talked to them on the phone and seems they also visited another guy on my street, a lawyer who owns two "rifles".,.... Be interesting to see the attornies reaction... |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 6:08:25 AM EDT
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Quoted: I sold ALL of my black rifles. Those things don't shoot straight anyway. Its just a waste of money to own & buy ammo all the time when you can just buy black cat firecrackers and make the same noises without hurting anything. I would rather have the money to use towards food and clothing for my family, which is why I no longer own any firearms... |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 6:12:01 AM EDT
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Quoted: Isn't this list of firearms and their owners against a written law? I am pretty sure they get around that by making gun dealers keep records of everything. They just confiscate the dealers records or make copies of things that interest them. I'm expecting a visit from the feds. Just found out [red]the ATF confiscated the logbook of the range I go to.[/red] I'm calling the FFL that transfered my AR to me to see if they have been visiting. Hopefully they don't bother me.. but I'd rather not be caught off guard when they show up. ' beg your pardon? You have to LOG IN to shoot? Who's bright idea was that? Is this an nra sanctioned range?? |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 6:12:24 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: My grandmother wouldn't let them into the door or talk to them, just gave them my mother's phone number... Sounds to me like you come from a VERY GOOD family! (I'm hearing impaired BTW, and wouldn't have heard the doorbell) I wonder what would have happened if they rang the bell, got no answer, but saw you with your AR-15 "playing", (cleaning or carrying, guys), with it in the house. That is a scary thought that I dont want to even entertain. |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 6:18:42 AM EDT
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Quoted: ' beg your pardon? You have to LOG IN to shoot? Who's bright idea was that? Is this an nra sanctioned range?? You know-- when they take your Driver's license or membership ID, you would think they would record that information, and sometimes make a note of what firearms you were shooting... whether you own them or not. (Some of these places usually employ off-duty police officers...) Also, some places also make you sign in, like Collin County Gun Range nearby. They also take your license. Who knows if they also write down your DL number somewhere... |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 6:41:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: Lawsuit time! Where the hell is the NRA, 2AF, and GOA? BWAAHAAHAAHAA!!! ROTFLMAOTIPMP!!! Oh that is SO f@cking funny!! Yeah right! Like the NRA and GOA are REALLY there to oppose the Bradyites and protect the RKBA! [rolleyes] Hey what's the NRA and GOA done for Donald G. Arnold, the Viet Nam vet and Maryland's "Citizen of the Year" who had all his guns confiscated last year because of a MISDEMEANOR conviction he got TWENTY YEARS AGO! (Answer: NOT A F@CKING THING!) [b]The NRA and GOA can just go F@CK themselves![/b] The ACLU powerhouse legal machine for the left makes the NRA and GOA look like a little girl's lemonade stand! The NRA and GOA are nothing but a self-serving money pit that soaks morons for annual membership dues and gives them nothing but a stupid bumper sticker in return. What was the last legal case that the NRA or GOA actually WON that fully restored anyone's RKBA and overturned any of the thousands of asinine and obviously unconstitutional gun laws anywhere in the country??? NRA[heavy] GOA[rocket] [XX(] |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 6:41:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: The time is drawing near boys. What's it gonna' be? Are we going to passively sit by and allow this miscarriage of Constitutional freedom happen without lifting a finger? We have to mobilize on a public awareness campaign to highlight these "investigations" which borderline on being conducted in an illegal fashion. Where's the NRA, SAF, etc??? While I'm not,(and never will be), a member of the nra, I have sent a link to this thread to my state GOA representative,(and personal friend). We will be chatting by phone later this AM,(now 0730 here). I also will talk to Alan, or one of his staffers at Second a Amendment foundation today. I have worked with these people before, and am well known by them. I will keep members posted on what I can find out. |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 6:45:16 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: The time is drawing near boys. What's it gonna' be? Are we going to passively sit by and allow this miscarriage of Constitutional freedom happen without lifting a finger? We have to mobilize on a public awareness campaign to highlight these "investigations" which borderline on being conducted in an illegal fashion. Where's the NRA, SAF, etc??? While I'm not,(and never will be), a member of the nra, I have sent a link to this thread to my state GOA representative,(and personal friend). We will be chatting by phone later this AM,(now 0730 here). I also will talk to Alan, or one of his staffers at Second a Amendment foundation today. I have worked with these people before, and am well known by them. I will keep members posted on what I can find out. Yeah, I won't hold my breath. |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 6:45:20 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: ATF agents last week confiscated the sign-in log from the firing range at Clark Brothers Guns in Warrenton, Va. The log included the signatures, some illegible, of customers who had used the range during the past six months, said owner Steve Clark. Thats where I go shooting [:|] And Samuel.. thanks for the offer, but I don't think I have anything to worry about. And fleeing the state wouldn't look very good [;D] Skeet, will you e-mail me a phone #, address, and contact person for the range? Make sure it's a # a person is at rarher than a recording. Thanks... |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 6:47:24 AM EDT
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Quoted: ' beg your pardon? You have to LOG IN to shoot? Who's bright idea was that? Is this an nra sanctioned range?? Just a book so they could keep track of whos next when the range is full and how long they have been there I guess, noone checks ID or anything, I don't think I have even seen anyone from the range even look at the book. If its still there the next time I will just sign it "Al Gore" |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 6:48:47 AM EDT
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Quoted: Skeet, will you e-mail me a phone #, address, and contact person for the range? Make sure it's a # a person is at rarher than a recording. Thanks... You got more faith than I. I'm watching... ...and learning. |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 6:50:44 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: The time is drawing near boys. What's it gonna' be? Are we going to passively sit by and allow this miscarriage of Constitutional freedom happen without lifting a finger? We have to mobilize on a public awareness campaign to highlight these "investigations" which borderline on being conducted in an illegal fashion. Where's the NRA, SAF, etc??? Lets do it. Ten million patriot march! I vote liberty86 as our speaker. Maybe we can get a pole to show us how many would show up and how many friends they will bring. I would not what do be the only one. I get too much of that already. We could all be wearing the same t-shirt and really whoop-ass. Samuel Samuel, if you are serious here, I am honored, I really am, however, there are those here far more articulate than I,(and I think many more here who vehemently disagree with your assesment of me). [:D] |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 6:56:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: That is the problem i doubt we will hear from any of them. JPFO or GOA might issue a response but i can promise you the NRA will be nowhere around. In fact i almost expect the NRA to endorse the police actions. mike Actually, the NRA has been around, and responding to a lot of the crap going on with the DC shootings: 'No Comment' [pissed] |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 7:00:47 AM EDT
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Gents, this is the reason you should never fill out 4473. Buy off paper or make your own from 0% to 80% forgings/castings. And never ever submit to bullshit registration schemes.
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Posted: 10/18/2002 7:06:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Skeet, will you e-mail me a phone #, address, and contact person for the range? Make sure it's a # a person is at rarher than a recording. Thanks... You got more faith than I. I'm watching... ...and learning. Mac, I got respect for you..... I have worked with both of these groups in the past, and gottten results,(push my "user info" button). While you are correct about the ACLU, it's only because GOA and SAF,(GOA and SAF does have something nra does not, DEDICATION!), don't have the resourses that nra mis-uses... I KNOW these people, it's early in the west, let me make a few calls, and someone get me the range info please. Also info on FFL's who have had a visit. Thanks... |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 7:10:13 AM EDT
[#23]
Quoted: Quoted: That is the problem i doubt we will hear from any of them. JPFO or GOA might issue a response but i can promise you the NRA will be nowhere around. In fact i almost expect the NRA to endorse the police actions. mike Actually, the NRA has been around, and responding to a lot of the crap going on with the DC shootings: 'No Comment' [pissed] I have seen both GOA, and SAF on fox or cnn. They are there when invited. |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 7:14:34 AM EDT
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It's 0805 here, 'scuse me, I have some calls to make. I need that info from you guys back east, will return in an hour or so...
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Posted: 10/18/2002 7:15:02 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: So the govt is for sure keeping a list of what we own now???? Im feeling extremely paranoid and contemplating selling my rifles. I can't be getting a visit from the Fbi if some nut starts shooting people in my town , it will ruin my reputation and hurt my business. And this guy, folks, is the reason why the JBTs feel free to do shit like this. Caving in a little early in the game eh quail.. sheesh |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 7:32:48 AM EDT
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It's a sad day in hell.
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Posted: 10/18/2002 7:35:24 AM EDT
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Quoted: What is the section of the US code that prohibits them from doing this? I'd like to be able to quote it when I complain, where do I find it? U.S. Code, Title 18, Chapter 44, Section 922. [url]http://uscode.house.gov/title_18.htm[/url] NATIONAL INSTANT CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM Section 103 of Pub. L. 103-159, as amended by Pub. L. 103-322, title XXI, Sec. 210603(b), Sept. 13, 1994, 103 Stat. 2074; Pub. L. 104-294, title VI, Sec. 603(h), (i)(1), Oct. 11, 1996, 110 Stat. 3504, provided that: ... ''(i) Prohibition Relating To Establishment of Registration Systems With Respect to Firearms. - No department, agency, officer, or employee of the United States may - ''(1) require that any record or portion thereof generated by the system established under this section be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or political subdivision thereof; or ''(2) use the system established under this section to establish any system for the registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions or dispositions, except with respect to persons, prohibited by section 922(g) or (n) of title 18, United States Code, or State law, from receiving a firearm. |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 7:35:40 AM EDT
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I WOULD DO THIS IN THE CASE OF THE FBI KNOWING WHAT FIREARMS I HAD.
I would go to the dealer I bought the particular firearm from that the FBI found out that I had. I would ask that dealer how the FBI found the sales of that particular firearm that I bought from them that was supposed to be kept confidential from ANYONE except for the dealer themselves and only if the Feds had a legitimate reason to suspect a certain individual firearm that was specifically bought at that specific dealer. The FBI isn't supposed to be able to walk into a firearms dealer and order to give up all names of customers and sales for ALL guns whether they were used in a crime or not. Then tell that dealer to go F--- themselves and you will take your business to a more trusting, less Federal-ass-kissing dealer. [b]ArmaLiter[/b] |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 7:43:09 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: What is the section of the US code that prohibits them from doing this? I'd like to be able to quote it when I complain, where do I find it? U.S. Code, Title 18, Chapter 44, Section 922. [url]http://uscode.house.gov/title_18.htm[/url] NATIONAL INSTANT CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM Section 103 of Pub. L. 103-159, as amended by Pub. L. 103-322, title XXI, Sec. 210603(b), Sept. 13, 1994, 103 Stat. 2074; Pub. L. 104-294, title VI, Sec. 603(h), (i)(1), Oct. 11, 1996, 110 Stat. 3504, provided that: ... ''(i) Prohibition Relating To Establishment of Registration Systems With Respect to Firearms. - No department, agency, officer, or employee of the United States may - ''(1) require that any record or portion thereof generated by the system established under this section be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or political subdivision thereof; or ''(2) use the system established under this section to establish any system for the registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions or dispositions, except with respect to persons, prohibited by section 922(g) or (n) of title 18, United States Code, or State law, from receiving a firearm. 1 sounds like its saying the FFLS arnt supposed to send in the 4473s even when the go out of buis.. BURN THEM!. |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 8:30:51 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What is the section of the US code that prohibits them from doing this? I'd like to be able to quote it when I complain, where do I find it? U.S. Code, Title 18, Chapter 44, Section 922. [url]http://uscode.house.gov/title_18.htm[/url] NATIONAL INSTANT CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM Section 103 of Pub. L. 103-159, as amended by Pub. L. 103-322, title XXI, Sec. 210603(b), Sept. 13, 1994, 103 Stat. 2074; Pub. L. 104-294, title VI, Sec. 603(h), (i)(1), Oct. 11, 1996, 110 Stat. 3504, provided that: ... ''(i) Prohibition Relating To Establishment of Registration Systems With Respect to Firearms. - No department, agency, officer, or employee of the United States may - ''(1) require that any record or portion thereof generated by the system established under this section be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or political subdivision thereof; or ''(2) use the system established under this section to establish any system for the registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions or dispositions, except with respect to persons, prohibited by section 922(g) or (n) of title 18, United States Code, or State law, from receiving a firearm. 1 sounds like its saying the FFLS arnt supposed to send in the 4473s even when the go out of buis.. BURN THEM!. This section pertains to NICS only. UPDATE: I have talked to GOA national. Larry Pratt, founder and excutive director, is in Florida speaking at the "Sawgrass Rebellion". I urge Florida members to try and attend. I am expecting a call back from som Eric, who is in the middle of dealing with another issue. Second Amendment Foundation; Talked to staffer, am expecting a call back from senior staff, they are busy,(as usual), too. I have not received any info from members here on contact info back east, I need those names and contact info. Mac..[:D]... we are dealing with national organizations here, and a national issue. These groups have other irons in the fire,(SAF was involved with "Emerson".),(GOA director is in Florida on another Freedom issue). Please be patient. Gotta go, keep phone free. Need info from back east. thanks... |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 9:10:38 AM EDT
[#31]
Quoted: I bet they went to the local gun dealers and said-let us see the 4473s and the dealers said sure go harass my customers The largest Gun shop in Norfolk VA is BOB'S GUNS has been fighting this fight for a year now. He told them to F off. They are going to trial soon |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 9:12:40 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: What is the section of the US code that prohibits them from doing this? I'd like to be able to quote it when I complain, where do I find it? U.S. Code, Title 18, Chapter 44, Section 922. [url]http://uscode.house.gov/title_18.htm[/url] NATIONAL INSTANT CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM Section 103 of Pub. L. 103-159, as amended by Pub. L. 103-322, title XXI, Sec. 210603(b), Sept. 13, 1994, 103 Stat. 2074; Pub. L. 104-294, title VI, Sec. 603(h), (i)(1), Oct. 11, 1996, 110 Stat. 3504, provided that: ... ''(i) Prohibition Relating To Establishment of Registration Systems With Respect to Firearms. - No department, agency, officer, or employee of the United States may - ''(1) [red]require[/red] that any record or portion thereof generated by the system established under this section be recorded [red]at[/red] or [red]transferred to[/red] a facility [red]owned, managed, or controlled[/red] by the United States or any State or political subdivision thereof; or ''(2) use the system established under this section to establish any system for the registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions or dispositions, except with respect to persons, prohibited by section 922(g) or (n) of title 18, United States Code, or State law, from receiving a firearm. I OFFERED MY SERVICES, FREE OF CHARGE, TO THE GOVERNMENT TO KEEP A RECORD OF THESE TRANSACTIONS. I AM NOT PAID BY THE GOVERNMENT, I AM A PRIVATE COMPANY AND MY BUSINESS PROPERTY IS NOT OWNED BY THE GOVERNMENT. I AM ONE OF A THOUSAND DIFFERENT LEFT-WING ANTI-GUN GROUPS THAT COOPERATES FREELY WITH THE GOVERNMENT TO OFFER THIS SERVICE. I AM DOING THIS IS A FAVOR TO ONE OF MANY SENATORS. [RED] AND YOU THINK THERE IS NO LEGAL WAY TO GET AROUND THE LAW??????????????[/red] |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 9:26:37 AM EDT
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I've got things to do today, please see my thread here;
[url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=149506[/url] I have still not heard from anyone...be back later |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 9:31:34 AM EDT
[#34]
Quoted: Quoted: I bet they went to the local gun dealers and said-let us see the 4473s and the dealers said sure go harass my customers The largest Gun shop in Norfolk VA is BOB'S GUNS has been fighting this fight for a year now. He told them to F off. They are going to trial soon Please call Bob, see if he's willing to talk to me, send me contact info, thanks.. |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 9:59:07 AM EDT
[#35]
Quoted: Imagine the shakedown you'd have gotten if you also happened to have a white van or truck in the driveway? Makes me wonder if they're not in the process of cross-checking the list of AR/AK owners with DMV records of white van and truck owners? It was already reported on CBS evening news that the FBI HAS been using a database that contains everthing from parking tickets, who owns .223 guns, and undoubtedly DMV records. When I brought this up the response was stupid tin foil hat remarks. You all deserve to get your guns confiscated. |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 10:17:58 AM EDT
[#36]
Quoted: The time is drawing near boys. What's it gonna' be? Are we going to passively sit by and allow this miscarriage of Constitutional freedom happen without lifting a finger? We have to mobilize on a public awareness campaign to highlight these "investigations" which borderline on being conducted in an illegal fashion. Where's the NRA, SAF, etc??? |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 10:43:35 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What is the section of the US code that prohibits them from doing this? I'd like to be able to quote it when I complain, where do I find it? U.S. Code, Title 18, Chapter 44, Section 922. [url]http://uscode.house.gov/title_18.htm[/url] NATIONAL INSTANT CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM Section 103 of Pub. L. 103-159, as amended by Pub. L. 103-322, title XXI, Sec. 210603(b), Sept. 13, 1994, 103 Stat. 2074; Pub. L. 104-294, title VI, Sec. 603(h), (i)(1), Oct. 11, 1996, 110 Stat. 3504, provided that: ... ''(i) Prohibition Relating To Establishment of Registration Systems With Respect to Firearms. - No department, agency, officer, or employee of the United States may - ''(1) [red]require[/red] that any record or portion thereof generated by the system established under this section be recorded [red]at[/red] or [red]transferred to[/red] a facility [red]owned, managed, or controlled[/red] by the United States or any State or political subdivision thereof; or ''(2) use the system established under this section to establish any system for the registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions or dispositions, except with respect to persons, prohibited by section 922(g) or (n) of title 18, United States Code, or State law, from receiving a firearm. I OFFERED MY SERVICES, FREE OF CHARGE, TO THE GOVERNMENT TO KEEP A RECORD OF THESE TRANSACTIONS. I AM NOT PAID BY THE GOVERNMENT, I AM A PRIVATE COMPANY AND MY BUSINESS PROPERTY IS NOT OWNED BY THE GOVERNMENT. I AM ONE OF A THOUSAND DIFFERENT LEFT-WING ANTI-GUN GROUPS THAT COOPERATES FREELY WITH THE GOVERNMENT TO OFFER THIS SERVICE. I AM DOING THIS IS A FAVOR TO ONE OF MANY SENATORS. [RED] AND YOU THINK THERE IS NO LEGAL WAY TO GET AROUND THE LAW??????????????[/red] You don't have to shout. I think what you are proposing would still violate subsection (2). The courts have already ruled that the FBI can keep the records of people who are approved by NICS for audit purposes for 90 days. So I have no doubt that they can bend this law. I wonder how many of these people who are being contacted bought guns in the last 90 days (assuming the FBI [i]actually[/i] is destroying the records after that point). |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 10:54:39 AM EDT
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Quoted: You all deserve to get your guns confiscated. Guns? What guns? I only have "plowshares" these days. They've all got black handles, though! Uh-oh. [img]http://www.fortunecity.com/westwood/mosaic/73/plaque1.gif[/img] [img]http://www.un.org/cyberschoolbus/untour/imgswo.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 11:29:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: I'm all in support of our President, but he's a politician, just like the rest of them. This crap couldnt have been at a worse time for us, prior to the 2004 elections, you can bet the farm gun control WILL be an issue next time around. Bush beating Gore - THANK GOD, but I'm starting to feel that we're just delaying the inevitable. Just like papa Bush screwed us over regarding the 'black rifles' I can see Jr. caving too. Republicans by name arent our friends, they've 'helped' the anti's more than us, heres the proof: [url]http://reformed-theology.org/html/issue11/dont_blame_liberals.htm[/url] Don’t Blame Liberals for Gun Control by Richard Poe NEWSMAX.COM - Anti-gun crusaders seem worried about the advent of a Republican administration. Heaven knows why. Republicans, in recent years, have managed to do nearly as much damage to the Second Amendment as Democrats. Pay attention, boys and girls. The D's and R's are not going to do anything for RKBA. I am contemplating voting Libertarian, for this very reason. |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 12:11:09 PM EDT
[#40]
Quoted: A funny thing happened today. I sold ALL of my black rifles. Me too, 'Legs. In fact, I just got rid of everything I had. |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 12:38:23 PM EDT
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Any update from the orig. poster? Although it appears valid, some confirmation would be nice before we stick our collective necks out.
[url=http://ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=149506]Check this link[/url] |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 2:11:22 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I bet they went to the local gun dealers and said-let us see the 4473s and the dealers said sure go harass my customers The largest Gun shop in Norfolk VA is BOB'S GUNS has been fighting this fight for a year now. He told them to F off. They are going to trial soon Please call Bob, see if he's willing to talk to me, send me contact info, thanks.. I called and had to leave a message. BOB's guns,746 Granby street. Norfolk Va , 757-627-8311 |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 2:23:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: Where's the NRA etc??? Licking fucking stamps. |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 2:35:15 PM EDT
[#44]
Quoted: [RED] AND YOU THINK THERE IS NO LEGAL WAY TO GET AROUND THE LAW??????????????[/red] You don't have to shout. I think what you are proposing would still violate subsection (2). The courts have already ruled that the FBI can keep the records of people who are approved by NICS for audit purposes for 90 days. So I have no doubt that they can bend this law. I wonder how many of these people who are being contacted bought guns in the last 90 days (assuming the FBI [i]actually[/i] is destroying the records after that point). Sorry, wasnt meant to be a shout =)...Just different from the rest. Are we sure that itis actually the FBI that does the background check? Or is it a NON-GOVERNMENT office with access to FBI files? What I am saying is, THAT law does NOT prevent the government from giving ALL NICS INFO to a (private) THIRD PARTY to do what they want with the info...All the government has to do is ask that THIRD PARTY for the information back. Yes, NICS is supposed to purge the information after a certain time period, but you are sadly mistaken if you think that they actually do. What I am really saying is that there MANY WAYS to get around that law. The key word in it is "REQUIRE". |
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Posted: 10/18/2002 4:55:22 PM EDT
[#45]
OK, this is all bullllllllllll
If the FBI has your gun registration, they have your SSN. They know what you own, your credit rating, where you work, and how much you make. Scary huh? They wouldn't call anyone unless they are stupid or a third party named names. "Yes, boys and girls, you too can turn in your mom or dad." |
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Posted: 10/19/2002 6:56:49 AM EDT
[#46]
If the FBI has your gun registration, they have your SSN. They know what you own, your credit rating, where you work, and how much you make. Scary huh? I was in Social Security the other day and they asked me my total household income. When I made a guess at it they looked it up on their computer...Low and behold, they're connected to the IRS..She had everything she needed right at her fingertips...Social, where worked, annual income, shoe size, etc...They already know everything about you... And who was it that said your SSN would NEVER be used as a national ID number? |
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Posted: 10/19/2002 1:15:22 PM EDT
[#47]
Quoted: And who was it that said your SSN would NEVER be used as a national ID number? The same federal government that said they would never keep a gun owner database. |
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Posted: 10/19/2002 1:25:51 PM EDT
[#48]
More Gun Control! confiscation!!!! fuck it...
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Posted: 10/19/2002 1:32:42 PM EDT
[#49]
Quoted: Quoted: Oh I'm up on events,just didn't think being a gunowner made you a suspect. Guess that means there are.......what? Some 80+ million law abiding gunowners,now reguarded as suspects in this country? [b]WE ARE AT WAR[/b] and during wartime, everyone is a possible suspect. Don't you forget that. you forgot to say Maggot! you know "Don't you forget that maggot!" |
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Posted: 10/19/2002 2:13:29 PM EDT
[#50]
ARMM,
If you really mean what you just said.........I can only label you one of the sheeple,or an outright idiot. |
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