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Posted: 10/11/2002 7:03:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/11/2002 7:03:58 PM EDT by RipMeyer]
I was talking to this cop and he kept referring to himself as non-civilian. WTF? If you are not subject to the UCMJ you are a civilian. [b]civilian[/b] n. A person following the pursuits of civil life, especially one who [b]is not an active member of the military.[/b] adj. Of or relating to civilians or civil life; [b]non-military[/b]: civilian clothes; a civilian career
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 7:07:24 PM EDT
Sounds about right to me.
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 7:12:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RipMeyer: I was talking to this cop and he kept referring to himself as non-civilian. WTF? If you are not subject to the UCMJ you are a civilian. [b]civilian[/b] n. A person following the pursuits of civil life, especially one who [b]is not an active member of the military.[/b] adj. Of or relating to civilians or civil life; [b]non-military[/b]: civilian clothes; a civilian career
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Definitely civilian. Police get their power of arrest from civilians. A civilian can make a felony arrest. The only additional power a sworn officer has is CI and misdemeanor arrest powers.
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 7:26:18 PM EDT
Civilian, although a lot of leo's think otherwise.
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 7:27:20 PM EDT
LEO's are civilians. LEO's are militia. Civilians are not court-martialed. Civilians are not paid Federal scale. However, there is a bit of a grey area when it comes to the "Clinton Cops", those LEOs who were hired with Federal funds a few years back. If you take military orders from a Federal source, you are not a civilian.
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 7:39:11 PM EDT
Hey everyone! I see a dead horse! Lets beat it!
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 7:40:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RipMeyer: I was talking to this cop and he kept referring to himself as non-civilian. WTF?
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You are either a citizen of Rome, or you are an officer of Rome. This shouldn't surprise you.
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 7:44:25 PM EDT
Technically, I believe from a legal perspective, they are civilians as they enjoy full constitutional protections. Thus, they have to be tried in civilian court in accordance to their rights.
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 7:44:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Boom_Stick:
Originally Posted By RipMeyer: I was talking to this cop and he kept referring to himself as non-civilian. WTF?
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You are either a citizen of Rome, or you are an officer of Rome. This shouldn't surprise you.
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"Who guards the guardians themselves?"-Juvenal Simple, the [b]CITIZENS[/b]. Every free Roman was always armed in some way, if just a knife. Not just for the barbarians at the gate, but also for the tyrants who could manifest within.... BTW, LEOs are [b]CIVILIANS[/b]. Some of them just don't think they are..... Scott
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 8:00:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sukebe: Hey everyone! I see a dead horse! Lets beat it!
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[img]http://mywebpages.comcast.net/Elbarfo/dedhorse.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 8:06:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/11/2002 8:14:50 PM EDT by Sukebe]
That's it Ripmeyer! Beat it like a baby seal!
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 8:10:27 PM EDT
Just remember, guys... All civilians are created equal. Some are just more equal than others.
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 8:16:54 PM EDT
When I was in the service, the 1SG used to refer to the downtown LEOs as 'The Civilian Authorities!' Yeah, I'm beating a dead horse, but one of my pet peeves is when LEOs refer to 'citizens' as 'civilians'. Don't be fooled. The LEOs are CIVILIANS!!!
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 8:26:03 PM EDT
Yessir, they put their pants on one leg at a time. I think this needs a poll!
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 8:27:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Green_Furniture: Yessir, they put their pants on one leg at a time. I think this needs a poll!
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AlphaBob's avatar has a poll..... Scott
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 8:43:42 PM EDT
You are either military or you are a civilian. Receiving military training and subsidized military equipment still does not make LEOs military, it just makes them an extension of the standing army.
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 8:51:34 PM EDT
Hell yes they're civilians! If they think they're something more maybe they'd be better off sellin popcorn down at the local movie theatre.
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 8:58:14 PM EDT
As most law enforcement officers continue to serve in the military- JUST ASK ANYONE WHO WAS IN THE USMC, THERE NO SUCH THING AS AN EX-MARINE- they are not considered civilians. Almost all restrictive gun laws do not apply those who stand between the darkness and the light.
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 10:26:30 PM EDT
Civillian? maybe. Evil? yes.
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 10:32:11 PM EDT
What's important is that he is segregating himself from the civilian population. He feels he is not one of "Us", as in Us (civilians) vs. Them (the "good guys")
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 10:36:31 PM EDT
Hey, come on!! No one got the "pool" joke? Scott [:D]
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 10:42:02 PM EDT
Well, I had to look a few times, but I do now comprehend the reference you were refering to, referencially.
Link Posted: 10/11/2002 10:45:49 PM EDT
Do I think cops are civilians ? Yes Do my 2 cop friends consider themselves civilians ? Hell no
Link Posted: 10/12/2002 4:31:40 PM EDT
ci·vil·ian   Pronunciation Key  (s-vlyn) n. 1. A person following the pursuits of civil life, especially one who is not an active member of the military or police. 2. A specialist in Roman or civil law. Webster has a more detailed definition that also includes LEO's and firefighters as non-civilians, but I don't know which box it's packed in. This horse has been beaten, kicked, and stomped to death already.
Link Posted: 10/12/2002 4:50:10 PM EDT
IMNSHO Anyone other than Military is a Civilian ANY form of LEO is only a civilian granted certain authorizations for Law Enforcement. THEY ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW! any such leo's out there that think otherwise can K.M.A.! [moon]
Link Posted: 10/12/2002 4:54:41 PM EDT
Dictionary Definition: Civilian: Any person not an active member of the armed forces or of an official force having police power. By that definition, the police are not civilians.
Link Posted: 10/12/2002 5:24:37 PM EDT
In my opinion LEO is a separate category. So you have military. Then you got Federal, State, and Local LEO. Finally, there's a civilian.
Link Posted: 10/12/2002 5:25:07 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/12/2002 6:01:59 PM EDT
Their job is to write tickets, direct traffic, eat donuts, chase speeding cars, go after and apprehend criminals, snipers etc.. and anyone else that breaks the law and considered to be the enemy. Oh my gosh.... they are not civilians....they're all "Enemy Combatants! The gov has sneaked another one over us while we weren't paying attention.
Link Posted: 10/12/2002 6:15:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/12/2002 6:16:37 PM EDT by arjohnson]
No they are not civilians, they are better than that.[:D]
Link Posted: 10/12/2002 6:43:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By EOD_Guy: Dictionary Definition: Civilian: Any person not an active member of the armed forces or of an official force having police power. By that definition, the police are not civilians.
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Perfect example of a little information being dangerous. Police are civilians because they are not part of the military in addition to what has been stated above. Your definition applies to foreign countries where the police and military may perform the same function.
Link Posted: 10/12/2002 7:11:12 PM EDT
A leo's job is to write enough traffic tickets to make his quota, fill out reports and arrive at the scene of a crime in time to arrest the survivors/winners. Around my city they also shoot an occasional pit bull 17 times(that's all his 9mm would hold) He is a civilian and I like to keep my eyes on them any time I'm in their range.
Link Posted: 10/12/2002 10:09:59 PM EDT
Who the hell cares? Get a life dude....
Link Posted: 10/13/2002 7:19:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/13/2002 7:26:40 AM EDT by Garand_Shooter]
Link Posted: 10/13/2002 10:18:36 AM EDT
You should post this on the Brothers board and see what they have to say.
Link Posted: 10/13/2002 10:54:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Graffiti: In my opinion LEO is a separate category. So you have military. Then you got Federal, State, and Local LEO. Finally, there's a civilian.
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AND, as we all know, shit rolls downhill.....
Link Posted: 10/14/2002 6:20:56 AM EDT
we have all those stupid gun laws to thank for this confusion. there always seems to be an leo exemption...this has given some of them a big head. in fact this is my pet peeve. LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE CIVILIANS!!!
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