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Posted: 9/25/2002 7:35:45 AM EDT
[url=http://www.pilotonline.com/news/nw0925gun.html]Activists demand Norfolk open parks to guns[/url]
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 7:44:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/25/2002 7:50:25 AM EDT by cluster]
[img]www.pilotonline.com/news/images/guns1.jpg[/img] Wow! open carry at an offical gov meeting.. And I thaught I lived in free America..! must be nice..
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 7:48:48 AM EDT
It's close. Yes 51.78% No 46.77% Undecided 1.45% Total Votes: 1999
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 8:02:03 AM EDT
Done. Gotta say "Yeah Team" to VCDL and to Dennis O'Connor directly. Anyone have their web site? I was not a big supporter when they were the NVCDL since they ignored my e-mail about the Manassas mall.
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 8:11:01 AM EDT
Done. We're still winning by about 5 percentage points...
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 8:14:00 AM EDT
Done. Geez, I wish I could open carry in Maryland [:(]
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 8:19:31 AM EDT
Still winnin'!
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 8:19:58 AM EDT
[url]www.vcdl.org[/url]
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 8:24:22 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 8:33:22 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 9:06:16 AM EDT
Those Norfolk ass-clowns have been a pain for a while. Their City Attorney threatened Philip Van Cleave with a law suit for defamation a few months ago when Philip went to the attorney's boss. He went over the city attorney's head because he couldn't get any response from him. Here is an e-mail Philip sent out last night describing the meeting:
VCDL and members address Norfolk City Council Fourteen VCDL members showed up an the Norfolk City Council meeting tonight. There was a much stronger than usual police presence according to one of our members who has attended other meetings there. However the police behaved professionally and politely. And, as always, so did VCDL and its members. Most of us had handguns, most concealed, but several openly carried. Open carriers showed their drivers licenses for ID and concealed showed their permits and drivers licenses. It all went smoothly and cordially and was over quickly without any problems. Most of us sat together near the front of the room in a couple of rows reserved for us by the police. The Virginia Pilot had a reporter there who interviewed me and other members before and after the meeting. I imagine that her article will be in today's (Wednesday) paper. I am writing this at midnight while it is still fresh in my mind, but I will check the paper later in the morning. If anyone finds the article, or any other article on this first, please forward a link to me. There were a few speakers before VCDL talking on non-gun-related issues. I was the first of four VCDL members to speak. First I handed a written statement to the members of City Council outlining VCDL's position and all of my correspondence with the Norfolk City Attorney's Office. That way if I ran out of time, I would still have delivered my message. I told Norfolk that I had been trying for many, many months to get a straight answer from the Norfolk City Attorney's Office about the SCOPE, parks, and city lakes gun bans and still had never gotten an answer from them to date. I said that they were by far the most arrogant and unresponsive Attorney's Office I had ever run into. With the City Attorney, Mr. Pishko sitting a few feet away, I played a tape of him calling to intimidate me so that City Council would have an idea of the problems I have had with his office. Here is a transcription of what was played for City Council tonight: "Hi, Mr. Van Cleave. My name is Bernard Pishko. I am the City Attorney for Norfolk. I just received a writing today where you were quoted as saying that you have tried to reach my office and nobody returns your calls and that the City Attorney could care less. That is 100 percent contrary to my own views. I find that to be DEFAMING to my character and reputation. I would appreciate a call back from you OR YOUR LAWYER. My phone number is 757-664-4224. Thank you very much." Even some people who were not there about guns where angered by that taped message. City Council, however, just listened quietly. Some with eyes averted, and some not. I told City Council that Hampton had quickly got back to me on their position and were taking down signs in their libraries and parks so as to obey the law. I ended by saying that VCDL would sue Norfolk over this issue if we could not get a resolution in a reasonable amount of time. Dennis O'Connor (VCDL Board member and gunshow coordinator), Thomas Robeson, and Lee Dyer (a Norfolk resident who had been beaten and robbed before getting a permit) then spoke. All did a great job in their remarks. Afterwards, the Mayor addressed me and said that City Council had my handout and would be responding in a timely manner. I thanked him. Down came the gavel, ending the meeting. Dennis had a police officer comment on how good a speech he had given after the meeting. Another officer did the same to me. The Virginia Pilot reporter asked me if the City Attorney could show that there was an ordinance on the books before 1987, would VCDL still ask the Norfolk City Council to change the law to allow citizens to carry guns in parks. I told her that we would. I pointed out that at least one other county (Henrico) that legally had such a ban was looking at doing just that. Going to this meeting accomplished a lot of good things for VCDL. First, it got the issues in Norfolk hopefully on the front burner. Second, it got the police up to speed on open and concealed carry in city buildings. Third, it allowed City Council and the police to see that law-abiding citizens armed with handguns for self-defense are not a liability, but an asset. And fourth, it will help introduce VCDL to gun owners in Tidewater, an area that we have only recently started doing gun shows. (If we can get more active Tidewater members, we could really clean a lot of bad gun laws off the books down there.) I would like to thank all of those people who came out for the meeting to support VCDL. Finally, there are those unsung heros who are constantly working behind the scenes to help make VCDL successful. Sacrificing their weekend, George Pettit (VCLD Secretary), Jim Snyder (VCDL vice-president), Mack Elliot (VCDL Treasurer), Mack's wife, Judy, and Mack's mother all worked hard and under a deadline to get a quick, but decent sized, postcard mailing out to some of Norfolk's gun owners to let them know about the meeting tonight. Several showed up holding their VCDL postcard. Others may get the card a day late, but at least they will now be made aware of the situation going on in their own backyard.
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And for you Virginians, there is a Henrico County Board of Supervisors hearing on 10/22 to vote on repealing Henrico County's current gun ban in parks. Please put the pressure on by e-mailing the Henrico Board of Supervisors members now! You can use this redirector: [email]HenricoBOS@vcdl.org[/email]
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 9:10:11 AM EDT
Here is Philip's response to the article:
Here is the article on last nights Norfolk meeting. Great shot of Dennis addressing meeting with his openly carried Witness and good coverage overall. The Mayor, frightened that law-abiding citizens with guns were at the meeting, said that he would be lobbying to allow cities and counties to ban guns in their meetings. Norfolk has already been doing that, so no real change in their plans. Based on his comments in the article, he sadly seems unable to tell the difference between criminals and good people. The Mayor needs to fear criminals and not us. Too bad it wasn't him attacked by three thugs in a Norfolk park instead of one of our members. Then maybe, just maybe, he would finally get it. Oh, well... I NEED EVERYONE TO RESPOND TO THE PILOT ONLINE POLL ON WHETHER CARRYING GUNS IN PARKS SHOULD BE ALLOWED, ASAP! Let your friends and families know about the poll, as well. Here is the link to the article and the poll: [url]www.pilotonline.com/news/nw0925gun.html[/url] Thanks, ladies and gentlemen! VA-ALERT is a project of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc. (VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization dedicated to defending the civil rights of all Virginians. The membership considers the right to keep and bear arms an essential human right. VCDL web page: [url]http://www.vcdl.org[/url]
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Please join VCDL. They are an excellent pro-RKBA group who have accomplished a lot for Virginia's gun owners.
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 9:11:07 AM EDT
"Yes" now enjoys a 10% lead.
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 9:13:24 AM EDT
Done.
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 9:16:33 AM EDT
done
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 9:24:59 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 9:38:14 AM EDT
Voted, and bumped... --LS
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 9:40:01 AM EDT
Done: Yes 54.84% No 43.82% Undecided 1.34% Total Votes: 2684
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 10:00:28 AM EDT
Anyone know how to get around the tracking and vote twice? --LS
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 10:27:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/25/2002 10:27:38 AM EDT by u-baddog]
I work in norfolk all the time. Should citizens be allowed to carry guns in city parks? Yes 55.37% No 43.37% Undecided 1.26%
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 10:42:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By longshot_va: Anyone know how to get around the tracking and vote twice? --LS
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Switch browsers or delete all your cookies.
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 5:55:45 PM EDT
Done.
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 6:19:31 PM EDT
Done. Yes 70.2% No 28.85% Undecided 0.95% Total Votes: 5550
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 6:28:05 PM EDT
Done
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 7:04:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 7:11:17 PM EDT
Voted .....Yes.....
Link Posted: 9/25/2002 7:26:29 PM EDT
Man, now that is how it is done. Dress well, speak well, carry openly. Do we have any organizations like that up here in Pennsylvania? If we don't, we do.
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 6:34:23 PM EDT
9:29 CST. Voted. results so far; Yes 72.14 No 26.93 Undecided .093
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 6:48:17 PM EDT
I've taken a page from the Democrat Election Code and voted a few more times. This will offset the individuals that were confused and may have accidently selected "No".
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 7:06:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By go3: I've taken a page from the Democrat Election Code and voted a few more times. This will offset the individuals that were confused and may have accidently selected "No".
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LMAO
Link Posted: 9/26/2002 7:09:04 PM EDT
I voted... you should too
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