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Posted: 9/10/2002 2:07:56 PM EDT
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What is a bonus? S-I |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 2:10:20 PM EDT
[#2]
Quoted: What is a bonus? S-I Yeah, I hear ya. We had to fight the group from New York to get this bonus. I don't think we're going to get our third quarter bonus. |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 2:39:32 PM EDT
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AR-10....accept no substitutes. The ultimate shooting experience....end of story.
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Posted: 9/10/2002 2:48:06 PM EDT
[#4]
John, didn't we just have this discussion?
Of your choices, I like semiauto. Of the semis, only the M1A can be had here in unneutered form. FALS sans pgs or with fixed 10 rounders versus a rifle that takes detetch 20s and has excellent iron sights. The 700's nice, too, and you should be able to get BOTH a 700 and a nice scope AND an M1A for $3000. |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 2:48:37 PM EDT
[#5]
A FAL would be a good choice. A) More likely to be on some idiots ban list. B) Mags are cheaper than they are for M1A.
FYI, Springfield is currently offering the promo deal. Buy an M1A and you'll get a coupon to buy a scope and mount from them for $125, saves nearly $500. Tough choice. Can't go wrong with either one. |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 2:50:13 PM EDT
[#6]
Without a doubt by the Springfield M1-A, heck with your $3000 buy both the scout and the standard.
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Posted: 9/10/2002 2:50:30 PM EDT
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I just noticed that you're from CA. Go with the M1A since it doesn't have a pistol grip. You'll have to get a CA legal version though (muzzle brake instead of a flash hider).
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Posted: 9/10/2002 2:50:39 PM EDT
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Remington 40XC - includes adjustable cheekpiece, front rail, stock height adjustment.
Shoots under .17" with factory ammo. 1" at 200 yards with ease, less with me doing the right job! |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 2:53:15 PM EDT
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I'm considering ArmaLite's AR30 in .308. I do like the loaded M1A, though.
Eddie |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 2:55:00 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted: I just noticed that you're from CA. Go with the M1A since it doesn't have a pistol grip. You'll have to get a CA legal version though (muzzle brake instead of a flash hider). Yeah, if your in CA get the M1A. If you where somehwere else I'd say seriously consider a DSA FAL but ... |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 2:55:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: John, didn't we just have this discussion? Of your choices, I like semiauto. Of the semis, only the M1A can be had here in unneutered form. FALS sans pgs or with fixed 10 rounders versus a rifle that takes detetch 20s and has excellent iron sights. The 700's nice, too, and you should be able to get BOTH a 700 and a nice scope AND an M1A for $3000. Yes, we had this discussion, but I wasn't sure if I would get my bonus. Now that I'm sure, I'll probably jump in and purchase something within the next couple of days. I can't use the entire 3k for guns. I have to keep the little lady happy also. [:D] We're going to Vegas for a week and we're staying at the MGM Grand. I want to spoil her a little. |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 3:10:47 PM EDT
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Go with a STG58 Fal from DSA . The only thing that I don't like about the Fal is the sights. The mags are a lot cheaper to buy than the mags for a M1A.
The two things I look for in buying guns is the price of the ammo and, the price of the mags. |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 3:11:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: We're going to Vegas for a week and we're staying at the MGM Grand. I want to spoil her a little. Two stops to make in Vegas. One is The Gun Store (or The Gun Shop) on Tropicana. Try out some Class III stuff. And if you have a spare day, the free subgun class at Front Sight. [url]http://www.frontsight.com/1day_smg_course.htm[/url] |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 3:14:50 PM EDT
[#14]
Before I vote, tell me what you want this rifle to do.
I can't vote for someone if I don't know his policies. [:D] |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 3:20:15 PM EDT
[#15]
I want this rifle to put nice .308 holes into man size targets at over 300 yards.
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Posted: 9/10/2002 3:24:17 PM EDT
[#16]
id go M1A
thats going to be my next rifle. i just bought 2 match barreled AR's and wish i would have bought one M1A and one AR |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 3:26:26 PM EDT
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I just can't get enough of a good M1A.
These are just awesome shooters that can be made to do almost anything. Get One! |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 3:27:24 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted: I want this rifle to put nice .308 holes into man size targets at over 300 yards. [b]ArmaLite AR-10A4[/b] |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 3:29:26 PM EDT
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I have both an FAL and a CETME.
Right now you cannot beat the price of a CETME. About $300 for what is essentially an HK G3. Love them both though. No such thing as a firearm I hate (yet). |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 3:30:06 PM EDT
[#20]
No Question! AR10T
[img]http://pages.prodigy.net/labradorx3/public_html/ar10t_100.gif[/img] |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 3:31:36 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted: AR-10....accept no substitutes. The ultimate shooting experience....end of story. Ditto. |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 3:39:21 PM EDT
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You can NEVER go wrong with a M1A. Its like buying a 1911, its tough, proven and universal. I have a Scout with a Aimpoint and I like it.
I had a AR10 and the mag issue alone is enough to deter me from buying another one. The may be OK but its your choice. Speaking from personal experiance I think M1A is first, followed by the AR10 if its a auto loader your after. |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 3:52:59 PM EDT
[#23]
Because he's in CA, he can't buy an AR-10 or any other semi-auto rifle that accepts a magazine and has a pistol grip.
(Edited to add) At least that's the case while he's living in this communist state! |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 3:56:27 PM EDT
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I'm gonna play devils advocate here and im gonna say A Remington mod 700 PSS custom from Impact guns.
I was at the range and a guy had one with an IOR 10X scope and he was just killing targets out at 500 yards free hand. I didnt measure the groups but after he hiked back he showed me and i could tell they were no more than 4 inch groups! He said from a rest at 200 yards that rifle does .5 to .6 inch groups!Out of a $1,200 dollar rifle. |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 4:01:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: Because he's in CA, he can't buy an AR-10 or any other semi-auto rifle that accepts a magazine and has a pistol grip. Tracker, he's got a FAL on his list. Maybe the dude is gonna move ? |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 4:01:07 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted: Because he's in CA, he can't buy an AR-10 or any other semi-auto rifle that accepts a magazine and has a pistol grip. Sorry DVDTracker my bad [BD] I keep forgetting that a small portion of the planet is run by complete idiots! God knows CA is much safer without the AR10 [:D] |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 4:04:03 PM EDT
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M1A...for many different reasons... No.1 is that you will never regret the purchase...drag it, drop it, feed it bad ammo and it still fires accurately each time you pull the trigger...
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Posted: 9/10/2002 4:04:13 PM EDT
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From one happy AR10TLW owner...
Go with that (better be a big bonus). |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 4:06:36 PM EDT
[#29]
Quoted: I'm gonna play devils advocate here and im gonna say A Remington mod 700 PSS custom from Impact guns. I was at the range and a guy had one with an IOR 10X scope and he was just killing targets out at 500 yards free hand. I didnt measure the groups but after he hiked back he showed me and i could tell they were no more than 4 inch groups! I sure would have liked to have seen that myself. |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 4:12:05 PM EDT
[#30]
DSA FAL...Take your pick of the model
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Posted: 9/10/2002 4:13:29 PM EDT
[#31]
Quoted: AR-10....accept no substitutes. The ultimate shooting experience....end of story. What wiggy said. If you have an AR15 this is it's big brother. Egonomics are the same, feels the same (ok, you cam tell there's .308 power there whne you touch one off) sounds the same (see previous caveat) smells the same (etc, etc, etc). |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 4:16:12 PM EDT
[#32]
Just something to think about: Don't forget that CA residents will have to take some sort of extra test or go through more hurdles in order to purchase handguns next year. So, you might want to consider getting them this year just to avoid the hassle. (This is assuming you are even halfway interested in handguns.)
Myself, I'm very happy with my M1A.[:D] Get one, a pistol or two, plenty of ammo, and you'd be pretty happy. |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 4:17:43 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted: Quoted: Because he's in CA, he can't buy an AR-10 or any other semi-auto rifle that accepts a magazine and has a pistol grip. Sorry DVDTracker my bad [BD] I keep forgetting that a small portion of the planet is run by complete idiots! God knows CA is much safer without the AR10 [:D] No, No, What code 39 said. Sorry just posted to poll and then read the rest. Go M1A. (How do you spell that?) |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 4:19:35 PM EDT
[#34]
Quoted: (How do you spell that? Easy...A-R-10-A-4 (Well, he's got a FAL on his poll.) |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 4:33:22 PM EDT
[#35]
Quoted: Quoted: (How do you spell that? Easy...A-R-10-A-4 (Well, he's got a FAL on his poll.) No, No. How do you spell M1A? I've seen it M1A1. M1-A. M1-A1. M1A-1 M1A1AA11. (I think there's a Thompsom and/or an M1 carbine or bastardization of a combination M-14, M1A, M1A1, M1, (what'd I miss) in there some where.) |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 7:07:34 PM EDT
[#36]
Any one of the three will do ya fine.
But with the bolt gun, yer gonna need optics. I'd suggest you go with DSA's Stg58A. $800 otd from a friendly FFL. Mine can do 4" groups at 200 yards all day long. |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 7:12:14 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: (How do you spell that? Easy...A-R-10-A-4 (Well, he's got a FAL on his poll.) No, No. How do you spell M1A? I've seen it M1A1. M1-A. M1-A1. M1A-1 M1A1AA11. (I think there's a Thompsom and/or an M1 carbine or bastardization of a combination M-14, M1A, M1A1, M1, (what'd I miss) in there some where.) Sorry guy !! I got confused. |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 8:38:42 PM EDT
[#38]
Well im going to be differnt just to show you some differnt options... here goes
how about a... Browning A-Bolt in 308? I would go with a Stainless Stalker with the composite stock. Get it with the BOSS system which lets you tune the gun to the specific load you are shooting reduces barrel vibration and impoves accuacy (according to browning) but it does seem to work. get the boss CR(conventional Recoil) if you like to go without the muzzle brake. can be extreamly accurate. Its got an internal mag. all in a 700-800 doller rifle W/O optics add a leupold 3x9 scope or a fixed power Vari-X III for another $500 And you have an excellent $1200 L/R Shooter. And have some left over to entertain the Miss at the MGM.Or maby 300WSM? [url]http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/abolt/abolt.htm[/url] |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 8:39:53 PM EDT
[#39]
Quoted: I want this rifle to put nice .308 holes into man size targets at over 300 yards. Tha man says he has $3K. I think an Armalite AR50 and some SLAP rounds will fit the bill nicely... |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 8:45:23 PM EDT
[#40]
having a AR-10T, I want a .308 LTR.
Edited to add that I find little merit in WSMs even thougth I'm a Win cardidge fan. No .300m comp guys are jumping on the short-action band wagon. The magazine publications are biased to brag up the then new cartidge. Ballistically (realistically) it (.300WSM) is a less flexible and insuperior. Browning makes a fine magnum weapon less the typical poor (but pretty) Browning bluing. You cant beat the 700rem action (fit/finish/etc). I'll even go as far to plug the Rem 7mm. I'd prefer a savage 10, 12 action to the A-bolt. The poor savage stock and inconsistancy in the trigger is their downfall. Personally, I'll never buy another BOSS or braked rifle again. |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 8:49:05 PM EDT
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VEPR .308 — Rugged, reliable AK/RPK-based action, excellent fit and finish, good reputation for accuracy, and very affordable (SOG currently has them for $479.95).
[img]http://www.robarm.com/images/vepr308_w_scope.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 8:53:08 PM EDT
[#42]
If you lived in free America, I'd say go for a FAL or G3. Mags for both are cheaper and more plentiful than the M14 mags you'll need for the AR10 and M1A.
However, since you live in the land of communist, homosexual, hippies who hate humans, love weed, and don't know their butts from a hole in the ground, I suggest the M1A. Sorry about the CA bashing there. Most of it was wrong and meant in jest so I'm sorry if I offended anyone. If we could just let Los Angeles, San Franciso and San Diego fall into the Pacific, we might do ok. |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 9:04:23 PM EDT
[#43]
Forget the AR10, VEPR, AK47, AR15, all of that BS. The man is in CA, so his choices are very limited.
kato4moto brought up a very good point. If you want handguns, buy them now. Forget about rifles, forget about buying the wifey anything, buy as many handguns as you can between now and January 1st. This is what I'm doing and I think Ratters and some of the other guys from CA are doing the same. If you want a rifle, the M1A is your best choice. FALs are legal without the pistol grip, but you have to be able to find an FFL willing to sell you one. If you do find an FFL, DSA may not sell to you anyway (they don't even know what their own policy is.) However, you can get an Entreprise FAL or an ARS FAL (which is top-notch.) If you decide on an M1A, decide what you want to use it for. If you want one for humping around in the field, one you don't have to baby, get a standard model with fiberglass stock. They have a chrome-lined barrel just like a Bushmaster AR15, and are good for use out in the elements. If you want more accuracy, look at the "Loaded" and Match models. These are more money$$$ You can probably get a "Loaded" for $1600, maybe a little less. If you decide you want to attach a scope, figure a good mount and rings is $200-$300, depending on the set-up. M1As are not a cheap hobby, but the sound of that bold slamming home is music to your ears. |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 9:06:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: If you lived in free America, I'd say go for a If we could just let Los Angeles, San Franciso and San Diego fall into the Pacific, we might do ok. Dude, you're clueless. San Diego is conservative for the most part. Don't throw it in with LA and SF. |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 9:14:35 PM EDT
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I'd get the FAL. It's a good weapon and mags &parts are plenty and cheap. AR-10/M-1A/HK-91 are all tied in second place in my view. Price for parts, mags, etc.
TS [X] |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 9:20:20 PM EDT
[#46]
Just out of curiosity, why is a FAL without a pistol grip legal in California, while a VEPR without a pistol grip isn't?
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Posted: 9/10/2002 9:26:15 PM EDT
[#47]
Quoted: Just out of curiosity, why is a FAL without a pistol grip legal in California, while a VEPR without a pistol grip isn't? I'm thinking the CA-DOJ considers it an AK series weapon, which is banned along with AR15 series weapons. Series meaning different only in name. This is why certain FALs are legal (without pistol grip, that is.) They haven't banned FAL series weapons, but they have banned the FN FAL by name. So, you can own any FAL you like other than the FN as long as you don't attach a pistol grip (which is banned under SB23.) I know, it sucks. |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 9:58:38 PM EDT
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Ah, but technically, VEPRs are RPKs, not AKs!
Also, you'd think that the use of a proprietary 8-round magazine and thumbhole stock would also make it CA-friendly. (Operative word here is "think"). |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 10:03:54 PM EDT
[#49]
Quoted: Ah, but technically, VEPRs are RPKs, not AKs! Also, you'd think that the use of a proprietary 8-round magazine and thumbhole stock would also make it CA-friendly. (Operative word here is "think"). RPKs are banned too. I think they classify thumbhole stocks as pistol grips, so even if it were legal, you would have to saw off the pistol grip portion of the stock. The insanity never ends. |
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Posted: 9/10/2002 10:05:29 PM EDT
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http://www.accuracyinternational.com/awp.htm
The one with the folding stock |
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