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Posted: 9/4/2002 7:02:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2002 7:06:54 PM EDT by SteyrAUG]
I think back to the Doolittle Raid following Pearl Harbor and I'm seriously dismayed by our lack of action. Sure we all bought a flag and stuck a patriotic bumper sticker on our car. And on the actual anniversary, most Americans will watch some kind of 9-11 special and say something like "Wasn't that terrible?" and remark about how much it impacted their lives even though they really did nothing about it. The following week they will have mostly moved on to the next current fashionable cause. Of course there was some forms of "immediate response." Right away politicians got busy and talked about all they were doing. And we even sent troops to Afghanistan. And in due course, the members of the AXIS OF EVIL (Taliban - Al Queda) changed the names of their organization and "joined" the winning team. Of course the government we support in Afghanistan is just as fundamentally militant Islamic and repressive as they were when they called themselves the Taliban. And we made noise all over the world, and the world vowed to support us in our time of need. One year later even usually strong NATO allies like Germany are second guessing our efforts. As usual our only REAL ally is England and they have so pussified themselves as a country they can accomplish little more than us and we ain't doing jack shit. Of course we will probably move onto IRAQ (now that Afghanistan is apparantly free of terrorism and related cells) and we will probably fuck around and do the usual nothing. Possibly we will remove Sadaam Hussein and he will likely be replaced with a even more aggressive militant Islamic fundamentalist. And sadly MOST of the changes have been HERE. We have cool new government like Dept. of Homeland Security (a Federal TIPS program) and all kinds of new pointless beuracracy to fund. Flying planes became even more degrading. I used to fly with a Spyderco knife just in case we ever crashed and I somehow LIVED I would have a simple survival tool. Now they take away nail files but refuse to profile people of Arab appearance. I'm pretty sure I could still board with a micro UZI if I just put it in a turban and got documents identifying me as Rahmid Mohammed. And of course even more money will flow into other countries like Israel rather than be spent on ANYTHING that will directly protect or guard against terrorism in the US. Even more distressing will be the massive amounts of funds raised right here in the US by liberals that will go directly into the pockets of those perpetrating terrorists acts on US soil and against US citizens. Islam CONTINUES to be the fastest growing relgion in the US and the main supplier of terrorists. We could use the "greatest generation" again, unfortuntely there are few left.
Link Posted: 9/4/2002 7:10:51 PM EDT
I hear you SteyrAUG. How quickly we and our so-called friends forget!
Link Posted: 9/4/2002 7:31:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2002 7:32:17 PM EDT by MickeyMouse]
I couldn't agree more, SA! Well, maybe not with the part about support of Israel but certainly all the rest. Americans have an attention span like a 5 yo. Until the next attack here, life will go on as before. Someone else said Bush made a mistake telling us to get on with our lives. He blew a major opportunity for fundamental change, total focus on the goal of destroying our enemies through a massive commitment like that made by the Greatest Generation we are so quickly losing. They must be so diappointed as they see our weakness of resolve, half hearted attempt to preserve what they so gallantly fought to give us with all the sacrifice they had to make to accomplish it. I am so ashamed of my generation for failing to rise to the occasion as they did.
Link Posted: 9/4/2002 7:32:18 PM EDT
I hear ya Aug. Most of the things the government has done has not done anything to prevent terrorism, and if fact some of the things it has done has increased terrorism. Now there is talk of going into Iraq, who has no relation to terrorism, at least as it affects us. Its all about power. More power to the government, less liberties to us.
Link Posted: 9/4/2002 7:50:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MickeyMouse: I couldn't agree more, SA! Well, maybe not with the part about support of Israel but certainly all the rest.
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What part did you disagree with? I didn't say end support for Israel. I simply said the "additonal" funds we give them post 9-11 could be better spent HERE on US since it is OUR tax dollars. I think they got more than enough aid already pre 9-11. I'd just like to see OUR tax dollars go to help US, not ENGLAND, not GERMANY, not ISRAEL.
Link Posted: 9/4/2002 7:51:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By libertyof76: Now there is talk of going into Iraq, who has no relation to terrorism, at least as it affects us. Do you really believe this?? fullclip
Link Posted: 9/4/2002 7:52:39 PM EDT
Col. Jeff Cooper was correct when he said, "We have entered the age of the wimp". Unfortunately, at least another 3000 Americans will have to be slaughtered before the sleeping giant opens the other eye. And another 30,000 within our borders will have to perish before we are awake enough to throw these insidious threats to Western civilization back to the Gates of Hell. Also, the second shot heard 'round the world will have to be fired before the oppressive yoke of our current socialist government is removed from our necks. Many here will disagree, but I submit that the ballot box is no longer an effective means to change our government, yet I still vote in every election, having to decide between the lesser of two evils of this wretched two party system that is bought and paid for by big business here and abroad. The Republicans and the Democrats ARE the different sides of the SAME coin. I hope I'm not to old to answer, when the next call to Lexington is sounded.
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Link Posted: 9/4/2002 9:08:54 PM EDT
SA, I did not fully understand your point. I would rather not detract from this important thread by going off in that direction - should have kept my qualifier to myself. I truly am concerned for America. Our reluctance to respond with fury to the horrible acts of war against us does not bode well for our future. The hesitation to attack our sworn enemies such as Iraq, Arabia, Afghanistan or other strongly anti-American countries is troubling too. We spend billions on the military. Time to put them to the job we pay them for; defending US against those who would kill us or attack our interests around the world. I would much rather fight them there than here!! "They" have left us no choice but to fight or submit. That decision was made one clear morning 9/11. I choose not to submit.
Link Posted: 9/4/2002 10:43:45 PM EDT
Actually I would prefer to see the military put to work HERE. Rooting out the terrorist factions with expired visas living in the US. As for overseas, seems to me we got all them unused nukes. Last year Bush talked pretty big with his "Your either with us or against us" and "Any country that permits terrorist cells within it's borders, etc." Well we ain't done jack shit. We got terrorist cells within OUR borders. We got our college kids conducting fund raisers for them. We got government officials kow towing to them. And what is the things US citizens get upset about? ...The condition and treatment of Taliban prisioners of war held by the US... I swear the next person who reminds me that TRUE Islam is about love is gonna get really hurt. Seems to me Shinto wasn't too damn popular here in the 40s. I don't remember a rise in the construction of Shinto Temples AFTER Pearl Harbor.
Link Posted: 9/5/2002 7:40:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: And we made noise all over the world, and the world vowed to support us in our time of need. One year later even usually strong NATO allies like Germany are second guessing our efforts. As usual our only REAL ally is England and they have so pussified themselves as a country they can accomplish little more than us and we ain't doing jack shit.
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I agree with everything you said except this. NATO and Europe will be, and have been, TOTALLY behind the U.S. in the fight against Al-Qaeda and terror. They're only balking on Iraq because they've apparently not seen any real credible evidence that Iraq is in any way connected to terrorism against the US. Just because the Europeans are ready to support the US in a war against terror doesn't mean they should just blindly follow the U.S. into cleaning up old messes that have nothing to do with terrorism. Show the NATO allies evidence that Irag is helping terrorists, or that they were involved in 9-11, or that they are planning terrorism or giving bioweapons tech to terrorists - and the European allies will be all over it - just like they were (and still are) in Afganistan. But show them none of this, and they're not going to go to war and destroy a country just because Bush says he doesn't like their leader. And - I agree with you completely - then what?? Once Saddam is gone, is the U.S. going to occupy and govern it? What will they replace him with - a Shah like Iran? Yeah, that sure worked.
Link Posted: 9/5/2002 8:02:22 AM EDT
Steyr, Steyr, Steyr.... Surely you are aware that the "War on Terror" was never intended to eliminate terrorists, but to advance a domestic and internationalist agenda. It's going quite well actually, considering it's real goals....
Link Posted: 9/5/2002 8:19:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By liberty86: Steyr, Steyr, Steyr.... Surely you are aware that the "War on Terror" was never intended to eliminate terrorists, but to advance a domestic and internationalist agenda. It's going quite well actually, considering it's real goals....
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Yeah, I know but I was hoping to not have to admit it.
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