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Posted: 9/2/2002 6:15:01 AM EDT
Just heard it on Paul Harvey. The president of France will propose today a world tax to help the world's poor. F'n Frogs, F'n liberals, and F'n everyone who wants some of MY money without EARNING it. Where's those damned finger flipping smilies when you really want one? grrrr!!!!
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Link Posted: 9/2/2002 6:39:58 AM EDT
This is what people have been talking about. We'll have to see what GW says, if it gets off the proposal stage.
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 6:46:37 AM EDT
They would sooner get my guns than they would take money from me to support the over breeding populations of the rest of the world. This really pisses me off, me and my wife have 2 kids because that is what we can afford to raise and take care of. Nobody else pays our way and never will. I feel the need to start warming up the bull pen boy's........
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 7:09:45 AM EDT
Who's gonna collect it? Blue helmets? Bring it on!
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 7:12:29 AM EDT
"not gonna do it, wouldn't be prudent..." It is hard enough to support the folks in the US. I need a break from property taxes,income taxes, sales taxes, gasoline taxes, and insurance costs.
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 7:21:29 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By thedave1164: They would sooner get my guns than they would take money from me to support the over breeding populations of the rest of the world.
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They'll have to get your guns first. Consider that. If they tax me much more I, also, will be one of the world's poor. F'ing gov already gets more of my money than I do. Any ideas for a 21st century version of the Boston Tea Party??? I'm serious. Suggestions welcome.
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Link Posted: 9/2/2002 7:38:56 AM EDT
[b]Already we pay a world tax. Every dollar of US taxpayer funds given to the UN is a world tax.[/b]
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 7:51:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 5subslr5: [b]Already we pay a world tax. Every dollar of US taxpayer funds given to the UN is a world tax.[/b]
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Very true. If the frog king has his way it'll be a lot more, though. Sounds like worldwide communism to me. Hasn't turned out so well for the nations that tried it.
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 8:05:39 AM EDT
ehhhhh Bite Me
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 8:53:34 AM EDT
The world's poor? F@&^k them, lets take care of OUR OWN first. I mean U.S. citizens that truly need it, not the second and third-generation welfare families or illegals.
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 8:56:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BenDover: Who's gonna collect it? Blue helmets? Bring it on!
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In the case of taxes, the Internal Revenue Service will collect, like most other payroll taxes, it will be withheld from you without you even seeing it. Enjoy!
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 9:03:14 AM EDT
Don't worry... GW will tell them to buzz off... They'll whine about him being 'unilateral'... We'll sit here and say 'yeah, so? What ya gonna do about it?'... The French will moan about the US being a global bully... And so on... [hr] Like I said before, there are leaders and followers. Aren't you all glad that we live in one of the few countries that can tell the UN, EU, et al to 'shove it' without fear of significant reprocussions? Of course, if we 'cut off all foreign entanglements', we'd loose that priveldedge too...
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 9:22:41 AM EDT
As drjarhead said "they have to get your guns first." Maybe that's why the socialists here are trying to do just that. As far as the French are concerned. Tell me again how many good men died saving their useless asses? WWII in the European theater was a fraud. Ditto WWI. Let the Kaiser or the Nazis have 'em. Would have destroyed the whole mess ffrom within. Once again, read President Washington's farewell address.
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 10:36:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By rjroberts: [sniped] Once again, read President Washington's farewell address.
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An excerpt of Washington's farewell address: "As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent Patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practise the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the Public Councils! Such an attachment of a small or weak, towards a great and powerful nation, dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter. Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens,) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove, that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government. But that jealousy, to be useful, must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defence against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation, and excessive dislike of another, cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots, who may resist the intrigues of the favorite, are liable to become suspected and odious; while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests. The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is, in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connexion as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities. Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. If we remain one people, under an efficient government, the period is not far off, when we may defy material injury from external annoyance; when we may take such an attitude as will cause the neutrality, we may at any time resolve upon, to be scrupulously respected; when belligerent nations, under the impossibility of making acquisitions upon us, will not lightly hazard the giving us provocation; when we may choose peace or war, as our interest, guided by justice, shall counsel. Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor, or caprice? It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world; so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it; for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements. I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs, that honesty is always the best policy. I repeat it, therefore, let those engagements be observed in their genuine sense. But, in my opinion, it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them. Taking care always to keep ourselves, by suitable establishments, on a respectable defensive posture, we may safely trust to temporary alliances for extraordinary emergencies. Harmony, liberal intercourse with all nations, are recommended by policy, humanity, and interest. But even our commercial policy should hold an equal and impartial hand; neither seeking nor granting exclusive favors or preferences; consulting the natural course of things; diffusing and diversifying by gentle means the streams of commerce, but forcing nothing; establishing, with powers so disposed, in order to give trade a stable course, to define the rights of our merchants, and to enable the government to support them, conventional rules of intercourse, the best that present circumstances and mutual opinion will permit, but temporary, and liable to be from time to time abandoned or varied, as experience and circumstances shall dictate; constantly keeping in view, that it is folly in one nation to look for disinterested favors from another; that it must pay with a portion of its independence for whatever it may accept under that character; that, by such acceptance, it may place itself in the condition of having given equivalents for nominal favors, and yet of being reproached with ingratitude for not giving more. There can be no greater error than to expect or calculate upon real favors from nation to nation. It is an illusion, which experience must cure, which a just pride ought to discard." Correct indeed!
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 10:49:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: FROM MY COLD DEAD WALLET!
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Ditto! [pissed]
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 10:59:29 AM EDT
Dubya's records on gun rights and homeland security has been terrible so far, but If there's been one good, consistent thing about him it's been his opposition to these UN mandates. He's been pulling out them left and right and refusing to join the new ones. I for one am ecstatic. The people of Africa have 10 kids [i]because[/i] they know at least some of them won't make it. I'll be damned if I'm paying for them! How did they survive all these thousands of years without our help?
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 11:16:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Kroagnon: Dubya's records on gun rights and homeland security has been terrible so far
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I think his record on gun rights has been great. I do have objections about the post 9-11 newfound gov't powers especially when the next demofag gets into office.
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 11:17:06 AM EDT
Oh yeah, SCREW THE FRENCH!!!
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 11:18:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By hielo:
Originally Posted By BenDover: Who's gonna collect it? Blue helmets? Bring it on!
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In the case of taxes, the Internal Revenue Service will collect, like most other payroll taxes, it will be withheld from you without you even seeing it. Enjoy!
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Yep, and then when they charge you too much, they'll be generous and give it back to you. Funny how that one little piece conditions you to still get mad about your taxes, but be oh so grateful when the IRS gives you a refund. It's a gift that was yours to begin with before Uncle Sam hijacked it. For those that don't know, there is currently movement to no longer have federal witholding and have each of us write a check at the end of the year for what the IRS says we owe. While that might be inconvenient, it also puts the burden of collection on the government, and makes people much more aware of their tax situation, which would hopefully lead to people being more upset with how their money is taken and much more aware of how it's used. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 11:22:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BenDover: Who's gonna collect it? Blue helmets? Bring it on!
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It will be another addition to FICA. It will come straight out of your paycheck. No Blue Helmet required. The IRS will ensure the money never makes it to your wallet... When the fuck will everyone wake up and demand the government to stop violating the 4th Amendment every payday. Vote for the National Sales Tax!
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 11:24:41 AM EDT
End federal witholding? Yeah right. Never happen. Total and complete pipe dream. Enjoy![/quote] Yep, and then when they charge you too much, they'll be generous and give it back to you. Funny how that one little piece conditions you to still get mad about your taxes, but be oh so grateful when the IRS gives you a refund. It's a gift that was yours to begin with before Uncle Sam hijacked it. For those that don't know, there is currently movement to no longer have federal witholding and have each of us write a check at the end of the year for what the IRS says we owe. While that might be inconvenient, it also puts the burden of collection on the government, and makes people much more aware of their tax situation, which would hopefully lead to people being more upset with how their money is taken and much more aware of how it's used. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...[/quote]
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 11:33:58 AM EDT
DSAFALS should be along soon to tell us how unenlightened we are for being upset by this.
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 11:41:08 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/2/2002 12:22:09 PM EDT
Both Canada and the USA donate BILLIONS in AID every year. I say fuck that lets see that money taking the homeless off OUR streets. Lets see that money putting more police officers on the streets. I wonder how many roads could be better paived or how much healthcare, schools and other public suvices could really profit from that money instead of helping people that can't even help themselves.
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 12:59:07 PM EDT
Screw the French! Buncha goddam commie liberals. Screw the Africans too. Mabye someday, they'll figure out that most of their continent will be a third world shithole until they get off their collective asses and get some real work done. I don't want to help the homeless either. I just want to keep the money that I earned. Whatever happened to the land of the free? Why are there so many goddam communists everywhere, and why are they all so stupid?
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 1:08:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By drjarhead:
Originally Posted By thedave1164: They would sooner get my guns than they would take money from me to support the over breeding populations of the rest of the world.
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They'll have to get your guns first. Consider that. If they tax me much more I, also, will be one of the world's poor. F'ing gov already gets more of my money than I do. Any ideas for a 21st century version of the Boston Tea Party??? I'm serious. Suggestions welcome.
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how about we highjack and burn a bunch of fuel tankers, that aught to gain a lot of popularity,[;D]
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 2:25:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Scarecrow: Both Canada and the USA donate BILLIONS in AID every year. I say fuck that lets see that money taking the homeless off OUR streets. Lets see that money putting more police officers on the streets. I wonder how many roads could be better paived or how much healthcare, schools and other public suvices could really profit from that money instead of helping people that can't even help themselves.
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Bull-shit. Give me MY fucking money back and give the losers a good swift kick in the ass. Preferably in the direction of a job.
Link Posted: 9/2/2002 6:59:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DPeacher: Vote for the National Sales Tax!
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AMEN
Link Posted: 9/3/2002 3:16:51 AM EDT
A new tax isn't a good idea. Does anyone seriously believe it will not be IN ADDITION to the existing taxes. Greedy governments are all alike, and the politicians all want more of your money to buy their election. You think they will make all the effort for a revenue-neutral system? I remember when I lived in NJ. At the beginning we had only a real estate tax, and I assume a few other semi-invisible taxes on business. No income or sales taxes. Then the liberal give-everyone-everything governors came in. Oh, a sales tax for the relief of the climbing property tax. The fools believed. Then the property tax began to climb again. Oh, how about legalizing gambling in Atlantic City? Improve the city, and the states revenue, all for education, you understand ("It's for the children" the standard unrefutable line). That was supposed to cover it all. Then an income tax, for property tax relief, and to help education. Then an increased sales tax. No tax replaces another, just adds to it.
Link Posted: 9/3/2002 4:13:39 AM EDT
I'm sure the United Nations will sort this all out......BBBWWWWWAAAAAAHHHHHAAAAA!
Link Posted: 9/3/2002 5:13:34 AM EDT
Just like the New York State Thruway. Tolls were to be collected until it was paid for, then it would be free. Guess what? When it was paid for they said that the tolls would go for the schools. For the money they take in on the thurway and the school taxes that we all pay, the schools should be rebuilt in gold bricks. We ought to have the best teachers in the country, but we never have enough for the schools.
Link Posted: 9/3/2002 6:57:36 AM EDT
Is this "World Tax" in addition to the 0.7% cut of our GNP that Kofie Annan wants from us too? [url=http://www.humaneventsonline.com/articles/04-08-02/kilgannon.htm]UN Wants A Cut of U.S. GNP[/url](April 8, 2002) "The United Nations, which sat on its collective hands after the September 11 terrorist attacks, is exploiting the memory of more than 3,000 people who were brutally murdered that day to shakedown the United States for cold, hard cash. Only six months later, the UN is trying to capitalize on the tragedy by rewriting history—suggesting those lives might have been saved had only the United States paid the price of protection. And what is that price? For starters, $70 billion. UN Secretary General Kofi Annan is not satisfied with the $304 million the United States pays in UN dues—25% of the regular UN budget—and is not content with the $375 million Americans give to such UN programs as War Crimes Tribunals, the World Health Organization and the Universal Postal Union. It doesn’t matter to Annan that the United States contributes $500 million to the UN for peacekeeping costs, or that the Pentagon has spent upwards of $8 billion in recent years to fulfill peacekeeping duties worldwide. No, Annan wants more. [b]His demand: The United States must turn over 0.7% of our gross national product—roughly $70 billion—to the UN Office of Development Assistance to ostensibly fight poverty around the world. [red]And this is just the beginning[/red][/b]—a minimum threshold as far as the UN is concerned. Presumably, such payments will mollify terrorists to the point that they will stop flying planes into American buildings. Believe it or not, that was the message I encountered during the UN’s International Conference on Financing for Development, held March 18-22 in Monterrey, Mexico. Annan warned that "no one in this world can feel comfortable, or safe, while so many are suffering and deprived." Jan Kavan, minister of foreign affairs for the Czech Republic, said that poverty and terrorism "share a common base," and that "extreme poverty . . . creates fertile soil . . . for terrorist behavior." James Wolfensohn, the president of the World Bank who is from the United States, declared that aid is an "insurance policy against terrorism." Romano Prodi, president of the European Commission, instructed the conference that the world faces two choices: "poverty and . . . war" or "peace and prosperity." S. I. Kolotukhin, deputy minister of finance for Russia, said Annan’s goal of getting 0.7% of U.S. GNP will be a "determining factor" for a world "free from terrorist threat." King Abdullah II of Jordan said, "For too long, deep pockets of poverty and desperation have served as breeding grounds for conflict and division." The article goes on... [pissed]
Link Posted: 9/3/2002 7:07:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By misterhemi:
Originally Posted By rjroberts: [sniped] Once again, read President Washington's farewell address.
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An excerpt of Washington's farewell address: [snippery-dippery-doo] Correct indeed!
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Interesting... I'll have to print it out and read it a couple times... lotsa big werds in der. (tank yo publick edumacashum!)
Link Posted: 9/3/2002 7:29:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By rjroberts: [size=4][i]Greedy governments are all alike, and the politicians all want more of your money to buy their election.[/size=4][/i]
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Grief and shame that it be, this an excellent one-sentence summary of US political reality.
Link Posted: 9/3/2002 8:56:35 AM EDT
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I thought there already was a world tax.......no..I'm sorry for us it's called loans for the world!!!!! P.S. I like scarecrows take on the deal....although drjarheads really makes sense!
Link Posted: 9/3/2002 9:10:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Scarecrow: Both Canada and the USA donate BILLIONS in AID every year. I say fuck that lets see that money taking the homeless off OUR streets. Lets see that money putting more police officers on the streets. I wonder how many roads could be better paived or how much healthcare, schools and other public suvices could really profit from that money instead of helping people that can't even help themselves.
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And those ungrateful starving savages won't even accept our FREE food now!! [url=http://www.reliefweb.int/w/rwb.nsf/c7ca0eaf6c79faae852567af003c69ca/a19c2b90c7be62b085256c170078f7d4?OpenDocument­]Zambia to refuse genetically modified food aid.[/url]
LONDON, Aug 16 2002(Reuters) - Zambia will refuse to accept food aid that has been genetically modified even though it faces an acute hunger crisis, its top diplomat in Britain said on Friday. Zambia is struggling with a huge maize shortfall, brought on by drought and floods over the last two growing seasons. The U.N. World Food Programme urged Zambia this week to decide whether to accept genetically modified maize, saying a shipment destined for the country could otherwise be diverted. Asked if there was any way his government would accept the GM maize, Silumelume Mubukwanu, Zambia's High Commissioner to London, said: "The answer is an emphatic no on the grounds that too much is unknown about GM foods yet. [red]"The fact that the people are starving doesn't mean that we should allow them to eat what they don't know," [/red]he told BBC radio. President Levy Mwanawasa, who declared a national disaster in May saying up to four million people faced starvation, said in July the country would not accept GM maize until it had determined whether it was safe for human consumption. Mubukwanu said Zambia was appealing to nations like Britain, Germany, Japan and the United States for money to buy "the ordinary food that the people in Zambia normally eat". [red]Zambia, Mozambique and Zimbabwe have all expressed reservations over offers of GM grain, despite a food shortage that threatens up to 13 million people in southern Africa.[/red]
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Too much is "unknown" about GM corn?!?! Well a LOT is known about STARVING TO DEATH!! What a bunch of backwards, primative neanderthals!! [b]Screw the third-world! Let the vultures and hyenas gnaw on their rotting malnourished carcasses!! Some one pass me the potatoes and butter! I'm fucking eating! [;D] [/b]
Link Posted: 9/3/2002 10:35:30 AM EDT
So if the French are proposing this, will it be called the 'Surrender tax'? Cheese eating surrender monkeys.
Link Posted: 9/3/2002 10:46:07 AM EDT
This is BS, but if/when it happens, you won't have the option to not pay it. It will be right there on your paystub next to Fed tax, State tax, City tax, FICA......
Link Posted: 9/3/2002 11:38:07 AM EDT
This will be the second time the UN has tried this I believe. If I recall correctly from an article talking about this earlier this year, Bob Dole tried to pass something so if the UN tried this again, we'd get out of the UN...it of course didn't pass...[:(]
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