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Posted: 8/26/2002 4:09:45 PM EDT
Almost a year ago, my reserve unit was activated after 9/11, and sent to Ft Hood to take on duties there. The rationale was that, the active MP units would be deploying soon, and we'd take over LEO duties on the post, operationally controlled by an active duty MP Brigade. We arrived with less than 48 hours notice, and despite receiving almost no support and a good deal of interference from our active counterparts, began police duties two weeks later. The active duty MP's never deployed. Since Sept 27th, My unit as well as reserve units from up north, have been performing extensive duties while 5 active MP companies sat on their butt. Reservists have been on continous round the clock LE shifts since 1 Oct 2001. An average shift is 12 hours. The active side has taken delight in screwing with the reserves. We're not good enough etc. The classic red-head stepchild treatment. If there was a filthy job out there, we'd end up with it. Our people have been living 12 bunks to a single wide trailer in the middle of two parking lots. Took almost 5 months to even get that. We had to buy office supplies and furniture out of our own pocket. Additional duties are legion. Working 9 days straight is not unusual.No time off for holidays, no time for training, no time for anything at all but work. Meanwhile, the active soldiers enjoy a 4 day week. This has cost my people. Lots of folks lost income, apartments and homes, small businesses and marriages. (No families allowed) All for a job requirement that didn't exist. There was no need for us to have been activated past 1 November. It obvious we were kept here for political reasons alone. The abuse was so extreme people will bail to the point a couple of units may cease to exist. We're hoping to keep our loss to 40% of the unit. Not easy, the Brigade is pushing to get us reactivated in a couple of months. Now, it's come time for demobilization. We were told Saturday at 3am. The MP brigade is fighting tooth and nail. Suddenly those "worthless reservists" are all that stand between them and actually doing their job. They have gone to III Corps and demanded they hold 40 reserves BACK. They even "forgot" to pass on our demobilization orders originally dated the 14th. Apparently, the MP Brigade did not plan to take over anything. They have had no training. they have no idea of the mission. They have no plan. In short, a brigade of almost 700 soldiers is incapable of performing the mission they had almost a year to get ready for. A mission formerly handled by 86 reservists. It's a fight they're losing at this point. FORSCOM wants us gone. We have three days to clear post, turning in everything from helmets to buildings. A process that normally takes 10 days. The MP brigade wanted us to work WHILE clearing. There was no advance notice of demobilization. I have a number of people that as of Thursday will have no place to live, no paycheck, and no job. One at least is going to be living with me for the short term. All the awards/medals we have submitted have either been denied or reduced. Reservists don't get awards you see. Pay problems are unresolved. We even have to have personal vehicles inspected before they'll let us go. Burned out turn signal? You don't get to leave. We even have to stick around an extra day for a "Demobilization Ceremony". I Suppose we'll be getting Brigade keychains. I've been around a long time. Most soldiers are less than half my age. Originally joined the Army in 1978. been everything from armor, to Medical to MP. Could have retired in 1998. Seen a lot of things, but I have NEVER seen such a lack of integrity, professionalism, care for the soldier, and downright criminal neglect of training as I have seen on this post. We don't have leaders, we have politicians. It's left such a disgusting taste in my mouth I'm transferring out of the MP Corps and going back to Combat Arms. I'll retire where I started.
Link Posted: 8/26/2002 4:13:41 PM EDT
Complete bullshit. But no surprise I guess.
Link Posted: 8/26/2002 4:20:40 PM EDT
John, Read a book called "Always a Warrior" by Charles Sasser. He was my 1SG in Germany when the 433rd MP Co (Res) deployed in support of Desert Storm. We had exactly the same type of treatment you are describing happen to us. We had no mission, the unit we were replacing never leaft, and we were treated like shit. What really hurt was that I had gotten out a few months before and was called back, then treated like a reservist. I will never understand those active MP's mindset. Of course I was infantry before, and then after I left the 433rd, and MP's were my natural enemy, so I probably never will.
Link Posted: 8/26/2002 4:34:13 PM EDT
Gee, I was hoping that you were pissed at the new History Channel show.....boot camp.
Link Posted: 8/26/2002 4:46:27 PM EDT
Try contacting these folks: [url]http://www.cmrlink.org/[/url] Good luck. After reading the threads on the Range issues: [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=10&t=140485&w=searchPop[/url] and seeing part of one episode of "Basic Training", I have a question. Who runs the fucking army? Anybody ACCOUNTABLE for this type of shit? Frightening to constantly get bombarded with info telling me that the USA is largely an unsat, unprepared organization. Like a modern, stateside version of "Apocalypse Now"?!?! This is in NO WAY a condemnation of your service of choice as a whole and I GREATLY appreciate your service.
Link Posted: 8/26/2002 4:53:43 PM EDT
I talked to a few National Guard types at the airports... sad story for what has happened.. NOTHING. Guys existing on a "good" paycheck to go active and lose house and home Even spouses'. To stand at an airport to make some idiots "feel good". No support from the gov'ment. and now to hear how things are on AD... doesnt surprise me, but it upsets me. Awhile after I got off AD, I went to a NG unit (what the hell, 40th Inf (mech), kalif)to find out that they didn't know shit! They shuffled me between plt's and helping in the arms room. back and forth.. at the end of my 1 year there (re-enlistment time), the [u]ACTING[/u] CO, said, (~)"your a great asset to the unit, we'd love to have you stay... blah blah blah.." NO THANK YOU!!!!! granted it was a NG unit, approx 25% HS punks with Basic, another 50% with AIT. majority never saw any AD time. I didn't feel "safe" (as in trusting my life with) around most of 'em. I guess being part of a group of guys on AD, where you absorb a new guy or two and you can get them up to speed pretty quick, vs a whole bunch of guys with a hint of an idea... oh well, 'nuff ranting for now... PAST dinner time.. c ya!
Link Posted: 8/26/2002 4:54:55 PM EDT
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I posted some stories at alt.military.police years ago. Here is one on point: I had only done LE duty in the states for our two week deals in the Guard, having joined after a fairly fun MOS in the Marine Corps that was not police related. Then the bosses got the great idea that Guard MP units should start going overseas, not for warfare training but to police different bases. We arrived at Baumholder, GE, where we learned that the reason for this plan seemed to be so that the usual MPs could catch up on same training and days off [more of the former]. Our platoon leader and Sgt then got a car and a copy of their orders, found the booze store, and disappeared. I was partnered with one of the long term members of the unit [when I first joined the unit I went from a corporal in the Marine Corps to a lowly E-4, and then tried to move up in the Guard, but only two years in the unit gets you busted back down in favor of a much longer term guy who was newly back out of the dry out ward at the local VA, I am afraid I announced that the decision was bull, so I was rewarded with my partner]. She didn't believe in personal cleaning, in particular she had a nasty female smell. She was also an E-5, but since she was stone stupid [having taken many many years to become a shift leader at a local fast food place as an example] I took charge when I saw the grunts come back from the field, ready to unwind. That set the stage. I was crusing around the suprisingly large base, about 1/4 as big as a medium US base, with the window down, partly as a good po po, mostly to get fresh air, when I heard the yelling across the entire main valley of the base. The call came in as I was driving over there. It was a fight at the club provided close to the barracks in question, and also close to the MP quarters. I rounded the corner with my lights out, saw the crowd, saw it was yelling mostly except for the very center, hit the lights [police lights too] gave a yelp on the sound system, and rolled up. I got out slowly as the crowd decided to 'escape', wandered up as two other units arrived, grabbed one of the two main players as they grabbed the other, turned around to find my 'partner' was still in the truck, and then found my platoon leader was drunk and one of the main trouble makers. It was nice to see him, as it had been several days and I thought he was still in France. One of the gentlemen of grunt status decided to take advantage of all the MPs outside to steal a mug from the bar, and run down the hill, a friend of mine gave a half hearted chase, but decided that when the guy reached the botton of the valley [a wooded brushy area] he had reached olly olly oxen free, and came back. We got our LT to go back to drinking, and decided to celebrate by letting everyone go. I got back on patrol, and got another call from the same area. I tried the light trick again, but most of the trouble was in the barracks, so I sat outside while everyone else came to help. Someone was hanging out the top floor window yelling "Yo, Five-O be here" over and over, and someone else grabbed their German woman's head and forced it out another window, announcing that this building was the "international barracks". I took his meaning, that the [black] Americans were shacking with Germans. Then as if from a bad movie the crys of rap sayings about the police started. They came off with them all [this happened in 1994, when rap was just past the really bad point]. Once the rest of us got there we went in, and learned that our drunk fellow soldiers were all talk and no guts. They calmed down and meekly went to their own rooms, sort of like we were the dorm moms at an all girls school. That's when I decided Military Policing was fun, unlike the more hostile civvie kind. The only other fun thing we had [on another day] was a wife who claimed her man was sleeping with a unit mate [female] in the other woman's room. We watched the MPI bang on the door, while the duty NCO walked as slowly as possible to us with the keys. Inside they had shorts and tee-shirts on, so no adultry charges. I thought that was the lowest thing in MPing, until on my long assignment I saw the bad about the 'two guys drunk, one says he woke up getting sucked' cases. I hope you are enjoyng my MP stories, I can't really tell them here at law school. Police are evil here, as is the military. I had one of my criminal law professors tell me that the US Military is the premire rape force in the world, he liked being set straight on that less than he liked it when during the domestic abuse law section, when he started going on about how sexist cops won't help women, I pointed out that my and everyone else's first priority was to locate and examine the children for injuries [going on about how if they are hurt and his she most likely did it, hurt and hers he did], and priority two was watching your own back. He did not care for reality, and he is a well respected writer on the subject of criminal law theory. My fellow students, straight from Harvard, Yale, Duke, et al, blindly mouth whatever the profs say, including Kamisar, the Miranda guy and all around cop hater. This one is about general MPing
Link Posted: 8/26/2002 4:56:33 PM EDT
This one is even more on point: My third story, as always, the names will be left out [Asst US Army Germany PMs may remember this one, though]. My Guard MP unit was made up mostly of either: 1. College students looking for more college money, and 2. Government and union employees who had pay make up contracts. There were a very few people who had a different type of job and really loved America or the military, and some very few poor people who really needed the basic pay as an extra job. I am my friends were in group one, my platoon Sgt and leader were in group two. The Sgt was none too bright, and hated white people, but he went to all the schools he could sign up for, and covered up his racism well unless he was drinking, being a pretty good leader for the group two Guardsmen [he was too far below the IQs of the group one for good leadership] The 'leader' was good, except when he was drunk. He was always drunk. After the call-up to active duty people with less than one year to go in the Guard did not get activated. This meant that a lot of slots needed filling, and some people from units in poor areas of the state were allowed to volunteer to go. As can be expected, this meant that those people tended to be dumb or trouble, sometimes both, and that's why they had no job and military pay for 9 months looked good to them. That sets the stage for my tale. Our unit got to Fort Dix to re-do all of our weapons qual, and get scary lectures from various police sources about getting our butts shot off by everyone we pulled over. I and some friends [all E4 college boys] were in a barracks room when a poor E5 who volunteered for the money came in, and ordered us to give him the best bunk. We of course refused, and stared him down. He then began to tell us what to do to be good soldiers for the next day or so. Then the lectures turned into monologues about being the police, and how good he was at it. He claimed he was one heck of an LE MP on active duty, I figured it was one big lie, but later I learned he had worked auto impound in Korea. This guy kept it up, over and over telling us boarder line crazy advice about policing aggressively. We got worried and told our leaders [the afore mentioned drunk two], with no results. We feared he would arrest and beat someone to death, he got that funny look in his eyes when he was spouting off that said he was not kidding. We got to Germany, and his behavior got much worse. He would wander the halls of the barracks yelling Army slogans and trying to correct unit members for odd violations of Armyness. He turned his room into a shrine of naked women spread centerfolds and Army stuff [poster, blanket, road gear, all that stuff]. Our leaders took no action. We figured the arrest beating was only days away. We were wrong. On the floor below us were the rejects from the active MP unit, waiting to get kicked out or whatever. One night they turned up their stereo loud, and super E5 went to tell them to turn it down. The second time he came down something happened. He tried yelling at the reject troopers, and one of them pushed or punched at him after he yelled back. Depending on which side you buy, either he accidentally smashed his beer glass into a wall and punched it across the victim's neck, or he broke it on purpose and slashed the guy's neck for disobeying an NCO. [The victim lived, a pleasant surprise for everyone, it was a close thing though] Our company commander, when located, looked into the situation some. He also came by the next month to show us photos of all the trips he had been on to cheer us up, since we were working too much to get days off after the event. Our Plt Ldr also sprang into action, not drinking for the next few days, and also abstaining before the E5s trial, and also writing a bunch of letters trying to get the guy off after the trial.
Link Posted: 8/26/2002 4:57:24 PM EDT
Speaking of Sasser's book: We were the first ones called up for this BS. They gave us one week, offically. The press had the news for a week and a half. Your unit command at the upper levels has likely known for a long time. The government is trying to surpress the information that the active duty military is so small and weak that they cannot handle the operations. They are walking a fine line, allowing just enough information to get out about local call ups to cause the desert storm style loyality in the local community (ie no counter war feelings or statements by local people 'while our troops are in the field') while at the same time not giving the impression that things are as bad as they are. If they gave everyone months of notice, as they did for the Texas callup, then you get months worth of stories. They do not want that, particularly if the stories could go national. They know once you are deployed the only reason the press will care is if one of you dies (the media's out of sight-out of mind rule, with the bleeds leads exeception) I got out for this very reason. We had gone once, as I said, and it was quite obvious that we would come up again for deployment. The training missions were starting to get good again (in our case we were more LE centered than field MPs, so we were starting to get more summer trips for practice) Remember that the active forces will try to treat you as both a child and their bitch. They will try to enforce every regulation on you, from wearing that stupid 'grab my gun' lanyard to wearing a helmet in the hummers. We had to disobey in mass to get rid of the lanyards, and the hummers helmet was not a factor for us, but we were LE. They will also give you all the crap jobs (stuff like partol for 12, clean something or march around for a few more hours, while the actives work eight and go home, crap like that). In our case they exploited our chain of command. Our Blt commander was brand new and just promoted, the former one gave himself an excuse out since his wife died, and the actives took over the unit. The SgtMaj totally rolled, they gave him free leave for the entire time, and allowed him to transport whatever he wanted back for free, including a new BMW. Much the same plan was followed by AD at the company level, lots of free leave for the CO and 1st, while actives bossed us around. The actives did grab our platoon leader by the short hair, he was screwing everything in sight, including some of our guardswomen, some local wives, and the army family service officer (partly moved in with her), and he was a mean drunk. They did paperwork on him for passing out in the middle of the city's main road, and going after the MP and desk sgt when he woke up, and for a drunken fight at the nice club in our area, which ended in him stealing money from the loser of the fight (that call was taken away from me by the MPI who was up for command of a substation). They then used the events to control us like pupets, using us for not just patrol but whatever crap they made up to have done. We were their slaves. We found a book that may be helpful, it was called something like 'Memories of a six war soldier' or words to that effect. The guys last 'war' was a guard MP unit call up as 1st sgt. Some of the rest of the book sounded like pumped up war stories, but the active/reserve call up rang true.
Link Posted: 8/26/2002 5:34:13 PM EDT
I feel your pain. My first experience with active duty MPs was in Italy this past year. It was about half and half. Half of them were nice guys happy to have a fellow MP come in and work with them. The other half were a bunch of stuck-up a**holes. You know the typical..."I'm a REAL MP, you are only lowley guardsmen", etc., etc. Well, I have to admit, I was nervous at first. After all, I was a brand new E-5 and just a college kid in the real world. Plus, these were Airborne MP's. So, I expected even more of the "I am Rambo" attitude. Well, as a patrolman working the midnight shift, my first meeting with the shift supervisor involved me pulling up next to his parked car and seeing him out cold...sleeping. I was not so impressed. The next supervisor I met was a really nice guy. But, that was because he was drunk. The alchohol on his breath was obvious to my untrained nose, and more than obvious to my day shift counterpart, who happens to be a State Trooper, who was coming off shift. But, there were some good guys there as well, but all if them were pretty damn lazy. You see, probably half of the people in my guard unit are LEOs or corrections guys. The rest are college students, parolle officers, and a few miscallaneous. The Airborne MPs did not impress any of them. As I have learned first hand, MPs, in their garrison form, are really just glamorized security guards. Or as you put it "dorm mommies". Thank the Lord I'm staying National Guard when I get my commision this May. Now, I'm debating whether or not to branch MP or change to some cushy admin. job. I don't need to put up w/ BS like John is. I'm going to be doing that everyday as a State Trooper if all goes well this year[:)] -MP906
Link Posted: 8/26/2002 10:55:50 PM EDT
After reading goatfuck stories like these I am SO thankful I was a Marine!!!!!
Link Posted: 8/26/2002 11:50:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tate: Try contacting these folks: [url]http://www.cmrlink.org/[/url] Good luck. [u]After reading the threads on the Range issues[/u]: [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=10&t=140485&w=searchPop[/url] and seeing part of one episode of "Basic Training", I have a question. Who runs the fucking army? Anybody ACCOUNTABLE for this type of shit? Frightening to constantly get bombarded with info telling me that [u]the USA is largely an unsat, unprepared organization[/u]. Like a modern, stateside version of "Apocalypse Now"?!?! This is in NO WAY a condemnation of your service of choice as a whole and I GREATLY appreciate your service.
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[b]Tate[/b] - Go ahead and relax buddy. I originated that thread being referred to. Myself and [b]Adam_White[/b] were discussing the situations in [u]OUR[/u] particular units, straight ADMINISTRATIVE organizations. I'm talking about "problems", problems THAT I'VE CHANGED for the better. [I][B]DISCLAIMER: My remarks in that thread are in NO WAY reflective of the ENTIRE U.S. Army.[/I][/b] PROFESSIONALISM is talking about what you KNOW. My 19 years of active duty time is in the U.S. Army, so I keep my comments focused on MY branch, and I DON'T make comments about other services. I'm not IGNORANT enough, or that plain STUPID to even attempt to say ANYTHING about another branch, or to think that an ENTIRE branch of the military is not doing it's job, based off of [b][i]what's posted on this board[/b][/i]. Chris
Link Posted: 8/27/2002 1:12:03 AM EDT
JohninAustin, This will probably start some sh*t but can you say "volunteer"? The possibility of being deployed has been there since you joined. In my 20+ years on active duty, I have had to put up with the same and more. I do not condone the unprofessionalism of the active soldiers you have to deal with. I have delt with reservists and guardsman off and on in my career and you guys have what the active duty has. Some soldiers are professional and some are a disgrace to the uniform. Who in your unit was down there fighting to make your living conditions better? Since your mission was temporary, you can't expect full blown housing accomidations on par with the active soldiers. I spent 6 months in Desert storm living in a tent that smelled like camel piss. Right here in Camp Able Sentry, Macedonia, our soldiers are living 6 to a room that is just large enough to hold 3 sets of bunkbeds and 6 wall lockers. It is possible the Active MP unit there deployed individual soldiers not the whole unit to the point they were not mission effective in their daily duties. Hence, your unit was called to active duty. My own soldiers have the same problem. Worrying about the unit next door instead of their own mission.
Link Posted: 8/27/2002 6:04:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By OP4: JohninAustin, This will probably start some sh*t but can you say "volunteer"? The possibility of being deployed has been there since you joined. In my 20+ years on active duty, I have had to put up with the same and more. I do not condone the unprofessionalism of the active soldiers you have to deal with. I have delt with reservists and guardsman off and on in my career and you guys have what the active duty has. Some soldiers are professional and some are a disgrace to the uniform. Who in your unit was down there fighting to make your living conditions better? Since your mission was temporary, you can't expect full blown housing accomidations on par with the active soldiers. I spent 6 months in Desert storm living in a tent that smelled like camel piss. Right here in Camp Able Sentry, Macedonia, our soldiers are living 6 to a room that is just large enough to hold 3 sets of bunkbeds and 6 wall lockers. It is possible the Active MP unit there deployed individual soldiers not the whole unit to the point they were not mission effective in their daily duties. Hence, your unit was called to active duty. My own soldiers have the same problem. Worrying about the unit next door instead of their own mission.
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C'mon, OP4, what planet did you come from? Everyone who volunteers understands that deployment is a fact of life. What is unacceptable is being treated like shit by your own people. Johninaustin and his unit were shown nothing but disrespect. I'm not talking about the day-to-day grabass that goes on (been like that since Christ was a Corporal). I'm talking about the fact that they came off deployment without having accomplished a damn thing. If the unit they were replacing had actually used John's unit correctly (i.e. free them up for training) I bet that John would not be here bitching. Re-read the post. He's not complaining about being deployed, he's rightly pissed about being treated like a condom.
Link Posted: 8/27/2002 6:13:58 AM EDT
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Who's out a job when they get back home? I had always thought (foolishly, perhaps) the employer, by federal law, had to reserve your job if you were deployed as a Guardsman/Reservist. [left]Edited to add: Ft Hood....89th MP, was it? Sounds about like them. Thank GOD I was combat Arms........
Link Posted: 8/27/2002 6:14:00 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/27/2002 6:22:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BobCole: After reading goatfuck stories like these I am SO thankful I was a Marine!!!!!
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And I'm SO thankful that I was a submarine sailor. We just didn't have ANY of the crap I've heard about and read about for years.
Link Posted: 8/27/2002 6:57:02 AM EDT
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Let me be more specific. The active duty MP's never deployed. (Missions change. Units don't control if they deploy.) Since Sept 27th, My unit as well as reserve units from up north, have been performing extensive duties while 5 active MP companies sat on their butt. Reservists have been on continous round the clock LE shifts since 1 Oct 2001. An average shift is 12 hours. (Do you know what their assigned mission was? No. 12 hours is the average active duty work day. 0500 wake up to recall formation at 1500.) The active side has taken delight in screwing with the reserves. We're not good enough etc. The classic red-head stepchild treatment. If there was a filthy job out there, we'd end up with it. (We do not sit around in meetings thinking of ways to screw the reservists.) Our people have been living 12 bunks to a single wide trailer in the middle of two parking lots. Took almost 5 months to even get that. We had to buy office supplies and furniture out of our own pocket. Additional duties are legion. Working 9 days straight is not unusual.No time off for holidays, no time for training, no time for anything at all but work. Meanwhile, the active soldiers enjoy a 4 day week. (Where did you live for the 1st 5 months? When you are on a deployment, training is over, it's execute time. If you still need training, then the reserves are not trained to the same standards as active duty. I am on a 6 month deployment as I write this. I have had 2 days off in 3 months.) This has cost my people. Lots of folks lost income, apartments and homes, small businesses and marriages. (No families allowed) All for a job requirement that didn't exist. There was no need for us to have been activated past 1 November. It obvious we were kept here for political reasons alone. (Probably true especially if the reservist took a pay cut comeing on active duty. Again , this was known to be a possibility upon enlistment.) The abuse was so extreme people will bail to the point a couple of units may cease to exist. We're hoping to keep our loss to 40% of the unit. Not easy, the Brigade is pushing to get us reactivated in a couple of months. (I don't know, I did not experience this. Did you have a senior NCO or officer to bring your concerns to the MP Brigade commander you were assigned to. There is always the IGs office.) The MP brigade is fighting tooth and nail. Suddenly those "worthless reservists" are all that stand between them and actually doing their job. (Did you personally hear someone refer to you as "wothless reservists"? If an officer said this, charges can be filed against them. This is also an IG complaint if valid.) They have gone to III Corps and demanded they hold 40 reserves BACK. They even "forgot" to pass on our demobilization orders originally dated the 14th. (Losing papers has been known to happen but it could have been lost by an incompetent clerk. Intentionally losing paperwork rarely happens as this is in violation of a number of ARs. Active soldiers are more honest than you think.) Apparently, the MP Brigade did not plan to take over anything. They have had no training. they have no idea of the mission. They have no plan. (Do you know this for a fact? did you sit in their BDE training meeting? NO.) In short, a brigade of almost 700 soldiers is incapable of performing the mission they had almost a year to get ready for. (Bullsh*t. Just your opinion not fact.) It's a fight they're losing at this point. FORSCOM wants us gone. We have three days to clear post, turning in everything from helmets to buildings. A process that normally takes 10 days. The MP brigade wanted us to work WHILE clearing. (Yeah this is active army bullsh*t. They should not have done this to you.) There was no advance notice of demobilization. I have a number of people that as of Thursday will have no place to live, no paycheck, and no job. One at least is going to be living with me for the short term. (I can't comment on this one. Each case differs.) All the awards/medals we have submitted have either been denied or reduced. Reservists don't get awards you see. Pay problems are unresolved. (Even we haven't fixed this broke system. Submit your awards thru your reserve higher headquarters after redeployment.) We even have to have personal vehicles inspected before they'll let us go. Burned out turn signal? (They are bullsh*tting you. If the part is on valid requisition, you should be good to go. It's a question of who pay for the part. Should come out of your Class 9 account, not the MP Brigade account.) Seen a lot of things, but I have NEVER seen such a lack of integrity, professionalism, care for the soldier, and downright criminal neglect of training as I have seen on this post. We don't have leaders, we have politicians. (Don't blast the entire active Army based on the actions of 1 unit on 1 post. This is why I replyed originally. You slap all of us in the face with comments like you used in the title of your posting.) As you were not party to all the staff/training meetings of the MP Brigade, you can only guess. The active army uses the MDMP (Military Decision Makling Process) to make major decisions. Some of the decisions look stupid at your level but may be the best decision based on factors you are not aware of. There are 2 sides to every story. Yes, I do believe you had to put up with some unprofessional behavior and some stupid decisions by the MP Brigade. I am from planet earth and I do know what I am talking about. Any questions?
Link Posted: 8/27/2002 8:15:43 AM EDT
I see MPs can't even get along with their own and work things out. How sad. I guess its different in other branches. For instance combat engineers are always treated as bastard children when first attached to infantry units in the field, but we expect that and are used to it. We just hold our ground, have our leaders involve themselves in planning with the infantry staff officers and our senior NCOs get straight to building a "rapport" with the infantry NCOs. In my experience, when I was in the ARNG, it seems things usually end up just fine with no problems turning in equipment, clearing post, billeting, etc. Also, when operations involve obtaining support from the active duty combat engineers on post for barrier materiel and equipment, we've never had anything but cooperation, even if we were measely reserve component troops. We were all still combat engineers, and the regular army engineers knew what it is like supporting an infantry task force. We've always found the same eager help from our active duty counterparts at Fort Lewis, Fort Irwin, and heck even with the Marine combat engineers at Camp Pendelton. We were all sappers and help each other out. Essayons!
Link Posted: 8/27/2002 8:34:59 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/27/2002 8:41:49 AM EDT
Just to clarify, Most jobs are protected. contract work, layoffs, small business's etc usually are not. OP4, I am that senior NCO. 25 years this September 12 of it active. Want some examples of those fine active duty soldiers? A married 1st lt. sleeping with a female PFC in his platoon. No action taken. A Platoon SGT that stabbed a PFC. Was told it was "all a mistake, besides, we don't want an SIR done" an E-6 selling ecstasy to his troops. No action taken. A 12 man car theft ring run by NCO's, choosing cars to steal while on duty. A murder planned and carried out by three soldiers over drug money proceeds. (gang murder) Three drive-by shootings so far this summer. One a triple shooting resulting in one death. More rapes than I can keep track of. One of a 14 year old girl kidnapped and repeatedly raped over a three day period in the barracks by at least 5 soldiers. Rampant spousal abuse. AWOL's out the Wazoo. Nightly alcohol and drug overdoses. Yes, I know the assigned mission of the Brigade very well. There is no law enforcement training. Has not been since our arrival. There is none on the 90 day training calendar as well. There is field training, but not much. Last time they had a field exercise they rolled a hummer and killed the gunner. Where were we living for the first few months? Well, some folks were in motels, some were in the guest house, most were scattered in empty rooms in half a dozen units all over post, most supplied under the table thru fellow SGM's amd 1st sgt's. Mess facilities? Supplied on the side by a artillery SGM I knew from Germany. Remember those IG complaints? That's where the trailers came from. Don't talk to me of deployments, I've been deployed 3 times since 1996. Bosnia, Haiti, and now here. This is the first time My unit has been under direct control of an active unit however. Yes, the active side is not prepared. Most of the people that took over the LE mission had less than 4 hours notice. A goodly portion of them have never worked LE in their lives, and the NCO's in place have never done anything other than field training. In short, the active army units that I have seen cannot do their mission, don't give a rat's behind about training, have abysmal leaders, and are more riddled with drug and alcohol problems than a college frat house. When I get activated again, (I fully expect it) it's going to be under a reserve command or in goes that letter. I flat out refuse to work with this sort of people any more.
Link Posted: 8/27/2002 10:36:44 AM EDT
I have no desire to foster an "us vs them" discussion here. Everything you just mentioned happens in active and reserve units. You just happened to find a large number of assholes and derelicts in one location. I am very proud to be an active duty soldier and it pisses me off when my counter parts act this way. I took your original post as just whining. I was wrong. What you experienced was totally unsat. Sorry about that. If and when you get activated agian, I wish you better luck.
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