Thank you. This says it perfectly.

Pride should come entirely from actions. When it does not, the hammer is cocked on the racial Balkanization that the cultural Marxists in our institutions are now busy exploiting.

Pride no longer has any real cost. And that is a [i]dangerous[/i] thing.

I'm left behind to ride with all of the Jews, Muslims, Buddhist, Hindu's, Agnostics, etc., etc., etc.

[b]I'll never believe God would be so cruel as to condemn billions of people to hell simply because they didn't believe in Christianity.[/b]

I report direct.  No prophets, priests, ministers, mullahs, popes..................no intermediaries of any sort.  Works for me and for a long time.  Now tomorrow God may decide He is tired of listening to my whinning begging self and order me to report through an intermediary.  If so, I'm gonna find me a good rabbi.

Ummm...got self-efficacy?

-White Horse

[b]"This sad little lizard told me that he was a brontosaurus on his mother's side. I did not laugh; people who boast of ancestry often have little else to sustain them. Humoring them costs nothing and adds to happiness in a world in which happiness is always in short supply."

-Robert Heinlein[/b]

Have a nice day, Stormsurge. Tribalism, white or black, is sooooooo much easier than actually thinking, ain't it?

You're a sad little man.

The irony is that this whole white supremacist/christian identity thing is just one more version of the "I'm a victim" rap...

Poor little babies...

Not unless I act on the distaste by actively discriminating against the people involved, I would think.

Yeah, and if yer talking about arabs, it's anti-semitic too.....

Yep.  I believe you are correct.

And such an easy point to over-look.

I'm proud of myself for many reasons as an individuial. Never been forced to look at the pigmentation of my skin as a primary source of self-worth. I feel badly for anyone whose only source of pride is how much or how little melanin is present in their skin. Must be a sad, pathetic little existance.

"Christian Identity," the movement of which he speaks, is a cult that believes that European whites are the "lost tribe" of Israel or some such nonsense and that non-whites are subhuman.  It has little to do with mainstream Christianity.

Not in the least- the "christian identity" movement is, as Rik points out above, a particularly hideous brand of white supremacist doctrine.  I would expect most Christians would find them as equally repugnant as I do.

IMO, they're worse than the Farrakhan/NOI/Black Muslim idiots in that they've perpetrated more violence.  They're trash, and ultimately, impotent, but manage to continue to hurt enough people to be an annoyance.

I can tolerate just about anything i don't have a problem with,  which would include most things dealing with sex, religion , race and politics, as long as it isn't too awfully ignorant.  That being said, Stormsurge,   YOU  AND YOUR PEOPLE are the greatest threat to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness that this nation has seen since WWII.   Too bad you weren't born in Deutchland between the wars--If anyone deserved to get buried by a Red Army tank on the Eastern Front,  it's probably you.

Ask me why I am smiling.

[:)]

[b]HA!![/b] What a crock of bullshit!

Tell your ignorant "black" friend to pull his ignorant "black" head out of his ignorant "black" ass!!

The "Black Miss America Pageant" or any other "Black Pride Showcase" is ENTIRELY FULL of bigotry, discrimination and prejudice by it's very nature!!

How dumbed-down, PC-beaten, Liberal-whipped and ignorant can one be to not see the utter hypocrisy of this??

"Someone should start a similar site for the conservative WHITE shooters so we can pursue our interests without being bombarded with more of the same old tired out crap."


Tell your friend he can find that place that by sticking his head back up his ass!

Is your friend's idea of the "typical black response" to being confronted with a 'white' version of their organizations to burn down and loot their own neighborhood?

That's prejudicial bigotted thinking on your black friend's part.

All the more reason he should come here for "education" on being an INDEPENDANT AMERICAN who doesn't find any part of his INDEPENDANT identity in a group of people all pigeonholed together based on their skin color.



Your friend is a fool. He's an ignorant, bigotted, prejudiced hypocrite in severe denial of his own biases and contradictions.

He does NOT want "the same things we want" because THIS SITE (with all it's anti-religious, Christian/Catholic-bashing members) is what I (a practicing Catholic) want.


People here CHALLENGE my beliefs and assumptions!

They make me RECONSIDER my views and DEFEND my opinions.

Discussions here, as mildly offensive as they sometimes get, make me THINK about my views.

The outspoken members here cause me to QUESTION my own reasoning.

But I can see how all of that makes your black friend very uncomfortable - seeing that his personal identity is so wrapped up in being "black" and wanting NO HARSH CRITICISMS of his choice to be an ignorant, hypocritical,  bigotted, closet-racist and just another useful idiot of the divisive liberals in this country.

[b]That's because there are no factual points in it to refute, just the same stupid old bullshit about how "the media says blacks can be proud but we whites can't" as if we should let the media dictate our morals.[/b]

Pride isn't a morality issue.
And aside from even that basic point...
You will find most people are contending the MEDIA's bias in the first place... Not what bias they are promoting.

[b]The fact is, two wrongs don't make a right[/b]

No, two wrongs don't make a right...
Again, it's an issue of negroes taking a particular position which meets with tacid acceptance... and when the white response comes to it, it all of a sudden becomes "two wrongs don't make a right".
The issue is the first "wrong" to begin with.
The second wrong is merely a response.

[b]...black people being "proud of their race" is wrong and stupid just as white people being proud of their race is wrong and stupid.  NONE OF US did anything to influence what race with which we were born...it was a quirk of fate, an accident of genetics.[/b]

Should the athlete who can run fast not take pride in his genetic ability?
Should the great chess player, or the grand thinkers who were born with a certain genetic ability not take pride in what they can do?
Of course they can... Just as a member of an accelerant race can be proud of what they are.
While they may not have chosen what they are, it doesn't negate what they are.

[b]It's as stupid as being proud of your height or your eye color.[/b]

I am rather fond of being tall, and I thankfully don't have blue eyes (Which would ean I was born devoid of a soul [:p] [;)] )

[b]If you are so destitute of accomplishment in your life that you feel the need to be proud that you were born a certain skin color then I pity you, whatever your race.[/b]

Saying that you are destitute of relevant accomplishment just because you are proud of your genetic lineage is a cop out, and intended to negate the demographics of "who" has accomplished "what"..
It's the old "nobody likes the smartest kid in class" syndrome, applied to accomplished races by those who don't want to face the truth about inferior races..

whoops... spoke to soon....



Ummm... yeah.



I can't speak for that organization or it's promoters. But I can guarantee you that it's participants are not likely to encounter caustic individuals who say things like, "Tell your ignorant black friend to pull his ignorant black head out of his ignorant black ass". Can't say that I would want to be around that kind of caustic individual with any regularity myself.



The only hipocrisy I am witnessing with regard to this specific dialogue is associated with someone who makes caustic, bigoted comments like yourself, but then conversly complains when those at the butt of your comments seek to disassociate themselves from such behavior by creating their own group. From my vantage point, you appear to resent people who just simply aren't interested in regularly subjecting themselves to your behaviors and create their own environments out of defense.



Yep. I'd be first in line every morning to hear this kind of expression from the likes of yourself. Sure thing. Sign me right up.







Maybe, but coming from a guy who says, [b]In my case, I agreed that I crossed the line and edited out the racially insulting potty-word but kept all my original points[/b], I find it interesting that according to yourself, the bigot is really the person who takes offense to your self-admitted racial insults, rather than the one who makes the racial insults.

(ref: [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=140390&page=2[/url])



I think he received all the education he needed regarding the character of individuals such as yourself. Interesting again how his independent thinking (read that - rejection of your thinking) brought him to the decision to abandon ignorance such as that expressed by yourself. It is also interesting that you demand his cooperation with your hypothetical blurring of color, yet individuals such as yourself continue to use color as the basis by which you make those self admitted insulting statements. Self absorbed individuals like yourself demand the audience and will seek to discredit anyone who refuses to accept your drivel.



Interesting. Very interesting. It seems I have highlighted some similar attributes regarding yourself.



No, you want this site to be the podium from which you and your bigot boys broadcast your ignorant prattle without any consequence or rebuttal.

Those days are over.



Really? I guess you must be right because it couldn't possibly have anything to do with some sort of half-assed, rationalized, pseudo-intellectual critiques of a generalized, stereotypical nature wrapped up in those eloquent expressions of racial slur.

I'm not really sure what's happening here.

I see people that are really no different than me trying to make a distinction that there is, and hoping it will put money into their pockets (reparations).  There have been inequities in the past and they are still being propagated today,...by both sides.

I know how infuriating it is to me now.  I can only imagine how infuriating it must have been if I might have been black or some other race even as recently as the 1960's.

The purpose of any racially motivated action should be to help make harmony and ultimately reduce the angst between these minor differences.

It seems to be having the opposite affect.

Is this by design?

What people who cocoon themselves in denial and hypocrisy do when they start "The Black Whatever Group" is become the very object of their own scorn - racially-motivated prejudicial bigots.

What is truly caustic is not my ad hominem attacks but institutionalized race-pandering and societal rationalizations for these two-faced bigots who continue to racially identify and separate [u]themselves[/u] from society, draw a little scorn for it, then whine and cry "racism" and withdraw even more when their hypocrisy is unsympathetically exposed.

Can't we all just get along?


IBTL

Then you need to reread my post.

I entered this thread because I saw blatant hypocrisy being accepted and defended by you. That it has to do with race is secondary.

The fact is that you and your friend sees nothing wrong with the "Black Whatever Group" because IT is not full of bigots or prejudicial people.

THAT is the crock of sh!t and THAT is the point of my thread. I don't give a rat's ass what color he is.

Since when did separatism become a bad thing? As I recall, the primal instinct for survival is fight or flight. Again, you are attempting to legislate motive, and your very efforts to do so are unequivocally the basis for many to seek the very exodus you condemn.

I am only ignorant of how anyone can defend the inherent racism of "Black Whatever Groups" and at the same time ASSUME tha t a "White Whatever Group" is automatically full of discriminating racist bigots.

But if you think I'm ignorant on the topic of  hypocritical racists, please educate me.



Huh?????

You wanna try sending that one again?

"Self absorbed"???

Again... Huh???

What statement in my post are you divining that I'm self absorbed???

You're starting to break up here...

Please, state my contradictions.

What did I say that was hypocritical?


Oh, but YOU can broadcast all the ignorant bigotted prattle that you and your friend believe???

Okay, well at least I'm eloquent! [BD]

What the fuck ever! I too am white and proud of it! So what! All the Chiggaspinkonkeylocks in the world can't make me hate them. I make too much money off of them. Several years ago, I realized there way more stupid people than smart people out there. So, I simply started marketing products to stupid people and now I"M RICH!

"The best revenge is living well."[smoke]

No. I'm just exhausted that you still don't get it.


Hey, if I become a Mod, can I talk like that too?


Maybe that should be my new sig-line: [b]"It's all those ingnorant fucking black-assed niggers fault."[/b] ~ BenDover.

Amusing. I truly wish this was the demonstration your ignorance. The existence of a black-whatever group borne as a result of your caustic bigotry has no bearing upon the acceptability of a similarly white group.

The white culture could take some cues from the solidarity gained by much of the black community and it's impeccable ability to organize itself in the face of adversity. I know that statement will be difficult to swallow for those who view blacks as being nothing more than primates who got lucky. But if you look and observe, you can see the foundations beneath the culturist alignments you fear.



It's rather futile. I am not equipped to singlehandedly reverse a lifetime of your embracing the idea that anything hyphenated with Black-(whatever) is motivated purely by black bigotry against whites.



Huh?????
You wanna try sending that one again?

You demand that blacks get rid of their acknowledgement of color difference while you simultaneously use color difference as the basis for your insulting generalizations.



Naah, I'm not breaking up. It's simple. Self absorbed... one who demands that everyone subscribe exclusively to their perspective, regardless of how ignorant it may be. I am not the one who has the problem with the black guy who chose not to become a full-fledged member of AR15.com because of the proliferation of bigotry shown by individuals such as yourself. I endorse his decision and am sickened at the wholesale acceptance of the situation by the apathetic majority.



I already have. Just because you have started to repeat yourself doesn't mean that I do.



Yep... and from the looks of it, I am not alone. Interesting, your proliferated use of the words ignorant bigotted. Expanding your vocabulary must be challenging. Now if you could just associate meaningful definitions with those words, we might actually come close to what I would consider a remedial debate.

Well, let me list the things I have learned from this thread.

1.  A person who has nothing invested in this board(BenDover's friend)can come in a tell us what is wrong with all of us.  Because of a few we are all people he will not associate with.  Hmm... Sounds like some one else we all know.

2.  Mods can make threats...(Those days are over...) New sheriff in town ya know.

3.  Mods can use racial slurs.

4.  We all look like a bunch of idiots arguing over what other people think about us.

More to come later..

Yep... proved my point. That was a little experiment. Bigots are attracted to all things they perceive to be racist bigotry like blow flies to a bull patty.

In case you need clarification, there are several forms of communication that require some level of elevated intellect to comprehend. Sarcasm is one of those forms.

Say it with me now... ignorant fucking n*****. It should be real easy for a guy like you. Ignorant fucking black-assed n*****. You've been practicing it your whole life, why stop now?

Naah, you bigot boys aren't all of us, and until now, there has been little distinction as your glorious days of fun in the prejudiced sun have been filled with relatively unchallenged expressions of ignorance.



You can interpret that how you like. If I were anywhere close to being what you state, I would have never engaged in a dialogue to this magnitude, rather, just deleted your posts, responses and locked your threads while regularly recommending member accounts (especially non-revenue producing ones) for termination. Hmmmm... now that I think of it, that isn't a half-bad idea.



Well why not? Even in sarcastic speech!! After all, it's quite acceptable, no.... ENCOURAGED by bigots to do it. You should be jumping with joy over the fact.

Of course, judging from the agerage intellect of those who are the regular bigotry offenders, it comes as no surprise the only concept you understand in my communication is the word, 'nigger'. It's a low common denominator, but it's YOUR common denominator.



No, you look like an idiot if you express yourself in a bigoted manner on AR15.com. I will see to that.

That is some amazing side-stepping.  By your logic, it's OK for people to be bigots because some other people are bigots.

[b]BenDover[/b], you've continually missed the point of my posts over and over again.

You write well but your content in this thread is devoid of any rational thought or reasonable defense of your views.

Because of this, no intelligent discussion with you is possible.

Your post makes sense and, therefore, you're not gonna be lucky enough to get banned.

HOLY SHIT!!!

Bendover: Can you define "bigoted" and "racist"?

Not really the case - but to some degree I have to go with your statement. After all, why not? It's okay for these guys to spout off generalized, racial stereotypical bigotry, but it's not okay for those at the butt of their comments to adopt an equally defensive, aggressive posture?

Ultimately it culminates in mutually assured destruction.

My original point is that the mere existence of a minority separatist group does not indicate the group is separatist because THEY are bigotted. It is possible that having been alienated by other general groups, minorities have found that they can only seek solice amongst themselves, as they are not accepted in a larger context by people like those represented in this thread.

A compounding effect to this is the reactionary belief by the masses that the group's organization is motivated by bigotry against them, therefore they seek to establish a ruleset wherein either no separatism is permitted (though they continue to subject the minority group to abuses) or they want an additional separatist group for themselves as well. Which by and large is actually tolerable to many minority groups.... it really is!! Go ask some and see!! No, separatist groups that exist solely to persecute minorities will not be accepted, but I can guarantee that the NAACP doesn't care about the Caucasian Glock Team. They only want the similar right to create the Black Glock Team. But that's threatening and scary to the white people.

IBLT


THE FIRST TIME I'vE REALLY FELT THAT THIS WAS APPROPRIATE!!!!