Those shirts are pretty cool. I think I'll order one.

Oh wait, am I allowed to respond to the original post once it's been taken over by a troll?

I try to play well with others. Besides, I'm a historian and I know that the Muslims and the Jews fight in the holy land because they are twin-siblings, and having grown up with twin brothers the fight is over things most of us will never, ever understand. I dont give a damn about how you choose to venerate the allmighty so long as you believe in one form or another.

I also believe that if you come to someone's country and are enjoying the benefits, you should be polite and respect them even if you dont agree with them. A disturbing number of foreigners living here *HATE* Americans, and white folks. Sihks, Muslims, Jews, even Catholics and Protestants, they feel themselves superior to us. I'll admit it- I'm probably one of the very few red-neck Muslims, but you know what? I'm probably a better, more observant Muslim than half the Habibs and Habibas you see running the local quicky mart selling pork-rinds and OE 800 Ice, who's kids are driving little rice burners till all hours of the morning and havint seen the inside of a mosque since they were in diapers.    
I respect Mujahideen, I wish some day to be one and spend my time in the lines in jihad in a  place like Chechnya or Eastern China where Muslims fight to keep from being exterminated, but first I will fight for the US and help hunt down all the holier-than-though bastards like Bin Ladin and clean some house so that when its my turn to fight for my faith, I'm not actually facilitating the elimination of one set of bastards just so another set can come in and rape the locals and steal their property and food. (Afghanistan comes to mind, trading the Soviets for the Taliban).

End of rant.

Rashid

Thanks Gunner1X.

I've got a neighborhood store that needs to have me walk into it while wearing one of those shirts.

People in my 'hood refer to the place as "Saddam's" because the father of the family that runs the place looks a lot like the president of Iraq.  I have a personal beef with Saddam, and would love to see the look on his face when he sees that shirt.

First time I've seen anything like this from a mod. What about arabs and muslims? I've seen posts that said "Nuke Mecca". What makes Canada so special??

I ordered a couple t-shirts and some of those floppy hats. I had no intention of supporting the IDF when I woke up today but some how it just seemed like the right thing to do.

Always do the right thing.

This is the same genious that once tried to claim that the Brits were doing just fine in WWII against Germany before the US jumped in.

So, Scarecrow, you're saying that Brit soldiers occupying homes of colonists didn't piss anybody off? You really think that the whole American Revolution was just because of a tea tax? Did somebody say Canadian schools are better?

What was it that the Scarecrow wanted from Oz?

Looks to me like the old wizard refused your request.

Thanks RAF,,,,,now I will not have to declare a verbal war against ALL Americans!!

:)

You have what?? The life span of a fruit fly??

I ordered a sling from these people (it's in the uniforms section) and it's awesome.  It's actually cooler than the one pictured.  I highly recommend...it works really well.  I like it better than my tac sling because it's quick to get on/off, but it still gives a very stable shooting platform if you have it adjusted properly.

True.

raf went on to say "knock off the insults."

How come he can see these insults, but the insults against me (people calling me a "coward" "treasonous" and "responsible for Sept 11"   - in teh "2 reasons to demolish homes" thread by ETH) he can't see????

Unbeleivable.

What's REALLY funny is ETH doesn't see them either. That's 0-for-2 by our Mods. They must have ALL the pro-Israeli people on their "Ignore" list.

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!  LOL!!!!!!!!!!

[}:D]

I know it's cliche now, but....

inb4lock

IBFTB.

It's good to see that excellence in hyperbole (if nothing else) thrives up in the Great White North.

This "link" you scold us American chimps for not seeing (gasp) is as weak as it comes - and if you had the slightest clue how much you've embarrassed yourself with it, you'd sprint to your nearest government health clinic and wait a year for some free Zoloft.

To say that Israel and Nazi Germany are "linked" or otherwise morally equivalent merely because Israeli retaliations sometimes involve civilian deaths is at best lazy, at worst, libellous.

Palestinian terrorists have been [i]exclusively and deliberately[/i] targeting Israeli civilians for bombings. Israel does not intentionally target civilans, as Palestinians do. If they did, there would not be any Palestinian civilans left by now.

And by your standard, the American responses in Afghanistan are "Nazi-like" as well, as  civilians have been killed as well when the US has responded to attacks.

But for the sake of clarity, here are a few things that neither Israel nor the USA do that the Nazis did, since these little details seem to have fallen from your liberally distended mind:

1. As offical government policy, systematically rounded up millions of Jewish civilians - men, women and children - for mass extermination totalling in the millions.

2. Used their propaganda machine to make genocide palatable to an entire nation.

3. Invaded neighboring countries and exterminated as many Jews as possible from them as well.

Now again, who does this resemble?

Where are the IDF gas chambers? The lampshades made of Palestinians' skin?



Whatever.

"Open-mindedess" is the primary virtue of fools and moral relativists.

If a Canadian calls me "closed-minded", I consider it a complement, considering the sorry state of his nation. And It's precisely our "closed minds", our undiluted beliefs, that have allowed us to resist a national gun registry, champ. Not to mention the rank Marxism that [i]you've[/i] allowed your once-great nation to succumb to.

Just something to think aboot.

[b]Quoted:

Well that’s nothing you can't find just by typing Canada in your web browser, but the fact remains you, like many Americans focus on the negative of Canada. Just like US newscast, 90% tragedy, 5% weather, and 5% news.

How about I act like you and recite one way I could look at the US:

A country that had to get away from the British cause you all weren’t in the mood to pay extra taxes, not because they where starving people or stealing land or even executing people, just over a fucking tax it was time for war. Now look at your taxes! Thank God you got rid of those pesky British!

And the US dollar is very strong, but when you notice that Canada has 7/10ths the dollar you guys have with 1/20th the population it really does say something about how many real hard working Americans there really are and how economically sound your country is.

But of course some of you blame all those blacks, Mexicans, Asians on the decay of your society. But fact is, when the US had almost none of those immigrants within its borders, the Canadian dollar was worth MORE then the US dollar.

But what can someone expect from a country that had a civil war in which family would kill family over the right to own slaves. And how long did it take after that for you people to figure out racial segregation is wrong?

This may seem like a personal slam, it's not. Just my humble opinion; that which--I as an Canadian citizen, am free to express without fear of being called a terrorist and executed in a secret tribunal and without worrying the BATF will set fire to my house or kill my future wife and children.

BTW: LARRYG, scream anti-Semite every time someone talks out about what the Jews are doing, maybe someone will forget they can actually do something wrong.
[/b]

After reading this drivel, I'll have to recant
on my compliment of your education system.

Damn son, where did you come up with this
lunacy? Arab newspape--maybe?

No, I didn't learn about Canada on a browser.
I learned about Canada from Canadians.
And from your response (above), you must agree
with my assessment.

[b]"EXTRA TAXES"[/b] as you call them...
that's the funniest thing I've seen on this
site...ever! LMAO[:D]

Try using your browser and see--
TAXATION [U]WITHOUT[/U] REPRESENTATION!
This as well as - LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT
OF HAPPINESS is why we left the "Mother Land".
Read [b]FIREFREEZONE[/B]'s post on page 2, it
will save me the trouble.

Your so far off on the US Civil War I'm
embarresed for you.
Thankfully, Mr. [b]FIREFREEZONE[/B]
has also addressed you on this issue so well that I
don't have to waist the key strokes.

Oh, don't forget to order your IDF T-Shirt today... they're going [i]fast[/i]![;D]
[url]www.israelmilitary.com/[/url]

I can't seem to find the sling or the category "equipment" on the website.

Gunner/Rashid, your posts really warms my heart. Many folks don't know there are many Muslims that not only live in peace in Israel, they serve bravely on the IDF as you do here. Druze, Circassians and Bedouins are a common sight in IDF uniform. In the 7-12th centuries, Muslims and Jews were allies and both victims of the crusades. Jews called Muslim/Moorish Spain the Golden Age. It was when the equivelant of the Wahabism of today, the Almohadhes of North Africa invaded Spain then these friendly relation between Muslims and Jews went south. Thats still not always the case. The Turks are allies with Israel as are many of the groups i mentioned that serve in the IDF.

It's under "Uniforms" the second item in the first column.

[img]http://www.israelmilitary.com/images/ax22sm.jpg[/img]

[url]www107.rapidsite.net/isra80/cgi-local/web_store.cgi?page=uniforms.htm&cart_id=6112310_6089265[/url]

I just had to throw my two cents in about Canada here. I read somewhere a while back that Canada had the highest debt per capita than any other nation in the world. Is this true? I can't remember the source but I think it was a financial magazine. Worth Magazine maybe?

WELL SAID!
Many people (if not most) are unaware that a
brotherhood and common goal is shared by many
Muslims, Jews and yes, even Christians.

They may not see eye to eye on certain issues;
spiritual beliefs being one of the many, but
they peacefully agree to disagree and will
unite to defend each other to the death.

-G1X

How about a shirt that says stop giving Israel money and let them handle their own fucking problems. I'd buy that shirt.

[size=4][red]Yep.[/red][/size=4] You hit it on the head. Now stand back; you just ruffled alot of feathers about a country where nobody in this discussion lives. odd isn't it?

[argue]

See the latter portion of my second post on page 1, under the IDF T-shirt PIC.[;D]

Damn but this topic got going...Phew, what got Canada and the US people here going? Sounds likea  bad case of maple syrup poisoning.

I think a lot of Americans are sad to see Canada going down the tubes.  Gun rights...say "bye-bye".  Lot's of new 3rd world scum coming in to hurt your country and ours.  Wimps at the borders being unarmed and told not to try and stop any bad guys since they might get hurt.  New fees for people wanting to hunt.  Lots less hunters and fishers up there due to the gov't.

All in all, so much of this stuff seems to have been given up with little fight.  I grew up near Canada and always loved it up there.  I have no interest in supporting a socialist country now and have no intention on going to Canada or England for that matter any more.  Pity how both countries let the women take over.  Just ask any father/husband/male what he thinks of Canada's treatment of guys up there and the feminazi's wonderland the courts have become.

Oh well. I do like the shirts and will be getting some.  Do I support the Israeli's?  Hell no, hate the damn people  (USS Liberty etc.)...but the enemy of my enemy is my friend.  The muslims are my countries enemy, the Israeli's are killing muslims...works for me.  Plus, annoying the twits at the "Quicky Mart" has a certain shine to it.

Post from Philadelphia_GunMan -

I would too, if I delivered Pizzas or made it a habit to stray in certain areas of Detroit, Riyadh, Baghdad, etc.

They will handle their problems very nicely whether we give them money or not.

But, if I were you, I'd get real depressed, cause we're always going to give them money!

It's a 'Jewish banker' thing, don't you know![:D]

Eric The(IDFIsFineByMe)Hun[>]:)]

A couple of weeks ago I went downrange with my Oly AR (K4B) dressed with a "budweiser" T-shirt, IDF trousers and "Raful" hat.
Ond the side of the hat there was emroidered the "Tzaha'l" acronym.
I wear those things for two reasons:

1) Even if I think that the best equipment is US made, IDF uniforms are robust, simple and fresh.

2) With all the "leftists" wearing Pals keffiah, I wanted to show simpaty for Israel. If not me, who else?

Approaching the firing line a RO, friend of mine, said "Hey Paolo, you are risking to be beaten with that stuff on you..."

I answered: "First of all, if I have to be beaten because I show simpaty for Israel, while other people here is showing simpaty for Pals and even for 9-11 attackers, maybe it's time to say that there is something rotten in Italy.
Second, they have to take me and beat me in a way I cannot stand up anymore. Because the day I could get off the hospital, they must run out of this planet and hide very, very well..."

My friend couldn't find any answer, so I started to shoot with my AR in peace... (oximoron?)

A good site to find IDF objects is [url]www.imp.co.il.[/url]

I got from them:

-IDF paratroop uniform with my ranks (corporal).
-"Raful" hat.
-M16/Galil assault sling
-Parka "Dubon" (= "Little bear"...)

The only thing I miss to my collection is the paratroop "ephod". With the current change Euro/shekel could be very cheap...

Thanks, [b]Paolo[/b], that's a great site that you linked!

I need to get some of that web gear for certain!

Eric The(Happy)Hun[>]:)]

Heh heh. Are ya SURE about that???? [}:D]

I'd buy that shirt too.

Go Gunner1X, Give him the HELL he deserves. I hope he likes our draft dodgers. We don't need those damned cowards back here.

I used to live just south of the US/CANADA border in Washington State (Omak,WA). While you are giving him the Hell he richly deserves, remember one little thing. HE, and his views, are a [b]minority MALE view[/b] in Canada. Their Soccer Mom's vote too. We have many just like this clown, down here. A few of those clowns are on this forum.

I don't buy anything made in China either.

Bill

Just ordered my IDF Polo shirt.  I probably would have passed on it, but this thread pissed me off so I am going to proudly wear it now.

Great.

YET ANOTHER person who makes their decisions based on emotion.

And when "they" learn how to push your hot buttons / what your hot buttons are, you become their slave.

it raises the question: how many who proudly wear the IDF shirt do so because they have been pissed off by threads?

Post from garandman -

Yes, [b]garandman[/b], they are certainly not the way we are, basing our views strictly upon reason and logic!

Another similarity is we both share the very same 'hot' button, [b]Israel[/b].

Eric The(FriendOfIsrael)Hun[>]:)]

What? That's not a legitimate basis upon which to make decisions????

[}:D]

Regardless of what others may think (not that I really care) I base my beleifs FIRST on Scripture, followed by my own reasoning and logic.

Go back before Sept 11, and see if I EVER mentioned Israel. AT all.

Even since then, I RARELY (if ever) start a thread pertaining to Israel - I'm always responding to something that is IMO SO skewed that SOMEONE has to say something.

Israel is NOT a hot button of MINE, regardless of what you may think.

Twisted logic about Israel IS a hot button of mine, to which I WILL apply my Scriptural understanding, followed by my own wisdom and logic.

garand(TheSelf-ProclaimedWiseAndLogical)man

(Hey - if you can do it, so can I!!!)

And I'm looking forward to your reply to my "who stands to benefit" analysis (other thread)

[b]Quoted:
My comparison of the SS and KKK to the IDF comes from the fact every time the Nazi's where attacked by rebel forces their response was to send in tanks and attack airplanes into the region and killing civilians.[/b]

What a (insert nickname for Richard) Head.

Would somebody please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it Palestinian terrorists, that are killing Israeli civilians? Aren't these self same terrorists, civilians themselves? If that is the situation, aren't the Israeli's justified in killing Terrorist civilians?

Palestinian bombers are killing innocent Israeli, and now, American civilians. Joyous Palestinian civilians are dancing in the streets, publically celebrating the Israeli and American deaths. Are those celebrants innocent Palestinian civilians? Or are they fellow conspirators, giving aid and comfort to the terrorists?

Bill

A).  I've admired the IDF as a fighting force for many years and had recently been thinking of ordering several items from the [url]www.israelmilitary.com[/url] website anyways.

B).  I needed an alternative to AR15.com wear in order to upset the politically-correct crowd at work. [;)]

C).  The appearance of this thread merely sped up my decision to purchase the polo (and I bought a sling because they look quite functional).

Even having said all that I think the Isreali government has had a tendency towards arrogance and I by no means am a slavish "zionist-lover" who automatically assumes that Israel is right in all matters.

Even as the Lord's "chosen people" they still have made plenty of mistakes just like the rest of us.

However, one does have to admit they have a respectable tendency to "act" rather than wringing one's hands and begging outsiders to solve their problems.

I would LOVE to debate the assertion that Israel is "God's chosen people" with you.

Let me know if you'll start a new thread, or if you want me to.

Sounds like an educated decision to me.

G-MAN, I bet I could get a the good folks here
to make a donation to the "Get GARANDMAN a IDF
T-Shirt Fund. What size would you like?  [:D]

It's no secret around here that you're not a big
fan of Israel, but at least you're a gentleman
about it (most of the time). I can respect that.

I would LOVE to debate the assertion that Israel is "God's chosen people" with you.

Let me know if you'll start a new thread, or if you want me to.

Ownz???

Should I take that to mean you are pro-slavery???

Or just stricken with Ebonics????


BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!! LOL!!!!!!  [}:D]

Well, that's very kind of you. [:D]

I need SOMETHING to check the oil in my car with. And since I hate to spend  the $4.95  on "Bag-o-Rags" from AutoZone....



It actually has LITTLE to do with Israel. It has more to do with Scripture, and our OWN gov't.

Far as the "gentleman" thing, I try. I do. And sometimes I fail. [}:D]

Post from garandman -

Why even mention [b]Israel[/b] now, then? They had nothing to do with September 11th, did they?

Just go and look at all the material that Osama Bin Laden wrote about, or spoke about, or railed against [b]prior[/b] to Sept. 11th.

Not once was the Israeli-Palestinian conflict mentioned, just the United States troops being present in the land of Mecca and Medina.

Osama Bin Laden thought that the Saudis and Kuwaitis might turn to him and his mujahadin for help against Saddam.

When, instead, these two Islamic countries turned to the Great Satan, the United States, he was simply devestated!

And his devestation soon turned to anger and thoughts of driving the United States from its positions in Saudi Arabia.

[u]That[/u] is the basis for [b]Sept 11th[/b] and that alone.

The Palestinians are considered, [u]if[/u] at all, as little more than servants and chamber maids throughout the Arab World.

Surely nothing to base your foreign policy on, but they do have instrinsic value to certain Arab regimes. So long as the Palestinian card can be played, there is no need to worry about the Arab Street!

They were turned out of Kuwait, as soon as it was retaken from Saddam.

It seems as if all that dancing and ululating has gotten them in trouble before.

As well it should!

I would go back and do a search for Israel threads prior to Sept 11th, but the new and improved search function apparently only permits searches for the past six months.

Eric The(Reasonable)Hun[>]:)]

Tell you what, G man. I'LL START THR CHOSEN PEOPLE THREAD.  You non Jews typically have a totally off the wall idea about what the phrase means, so it'll give me the opportunity to disabuse you of your wierd notions.  Stand by.

I have nothing to prove or disprove their involvement.

But your missing the point. I [b] RESPOND [/b] to,  and almost never initiate,  comments about Israel. I respond when IMO something HAS to be said.



Whoa. Wait a minute. Yer gonna use the words of the guy who killed 3,000 of our people as if they are some kind of Gospel truth? You'll rely on the words of a murderer??? What he says is irrelevant to me. Only what he does.

And besides, why are we over there anyway? To protect israel - everyone knows that.

What a shocker that the ally of Israel would come under attack by Israels enemy.  [rolleyes]

This is basic military doctrine.

I say we all pitch in, buy a US tank, paint FIDF on it, ship it to Israel and roll through Palestine blowing shit up.