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Posted: 7/30/2002 2:13:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/30/2002 2:28:41 PM EDT by Benjamin0001]
By Tim Steller ARIZONA DAILY STAR A U.S. Border Patrol agent exchanged fire with a gunman Saturday in the same area where an agent was fired upon two months ago. A Border Patrol spokesman, Ryan Scudder, confirmed the Saturday incident but provided few details, deferring to the investigating agencies. Scudder said the agent fired on someone during the incident and that the agent was fired upon. No one was hit during the exchange, which took place near Papago Farms, a village in the southwestern Tohono O'odham Nation. The agent and gunman were both north of the U.S.-Mexican border, Scudder said. The Tohono O'odham police conducted an initial investigation of the incident, then turned the case over to the FBI. On May 17, a Border Patrol agent working near Papago Farms reported being fired upon by Mexican soldiers in a military vehicle. The Mexican government denied there were any soldiers in the area. That shooting came a few hours after a pair of incidents in the same area: A Tohono O'odham police ranger reported being chased by Mexican soldiers, and U.S. Customs Service agents seizing a ton of marijuana.
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I think that I am finally realizing that the Mexican Border Agents/Police have been paid off big time to help ship drugs into the United States. It is apparent that the Mexican Governments powers of law enforcement stop right outside Mexico city. EDITED TO ADD: They must be getting desperate because they are having to restort to Violence to get the shipments across the border. That must mean that either they get the drugs across of they themselves get whacked or turned into the Mexican Authorities by the drug cartels themselves. Can anyone say, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Africa,etc ----> South America ---> Columbia, Peru, Up through Mexico and into the US. Duh, I havn't really ever given that much thought to this. Sounds screwed up to me.
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Link Posted: 7/30/2002 2:23:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ilikelegs: When are we ever going to put up that electified 10,000 watt fence ?
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Too expensive. Bounding Anti-Personnel Mines would be much more effective. [img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/sardonic.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 2:29:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By platform389:
Originally Posted By ilikelegs: When are we ever going to put up that electified 10,000 watt fence ?
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Too expensive. Bounding Anti-Personnel Mines would be much more effective. [img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/sardonic.gif[/img]
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Unfortunately, the ranchers in the area would protest the effect those mines would have on their cattle.
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 2:29:54 PM EDT
Sounds to me like a Border Patrol Agent needs to be ordered to the range for additional training! I don't think cops need to shoot people in the back or anything like that but when someone FIRES AT A COP, that person should be SHOT fatally! See if the Mexicans can lie their way out of it then!!
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 2:32:03 PM EDT
Ya right. You gotta remember the we are still leaving water in the desert in case the idiots get thirsty. We are encouraging this crap! Pisses me of to no end.[:(!]
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 2:42:11 PM EDT
This happens a whole lot more than it gets reported. Hell, down here they are more concerned about putting out "rest stations" with food, water and maps to help the illegals on their journey. The border patrol is WAY understaffed and morale is low and the only solutions the politicians can come up with are those which benefit the damn illegals. Our porous borders will be our undoing.
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 2:47:58 PM EDT
Mexicans M-16's (probably old models give by the U.S.) American border patrol berretta .40 cal. we seriously need to beef up the arsenal of our border patrol they are getting whooped by a bunch of mexicans.
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 2:57:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 1911greg: Mexicans M-16's (probably old models give by the U.S.) American border patrol berretta .40 cal. we seriously need to beef up the arsenal of our border patrol they are getting whooped by a bunch of mexicans.
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I'm in the process of joining the US Border Patrol right now. BPA have access to a M16, MP5, or a Wilson Combat 870 anytime they want. They just have to check it out at the beginning of their shift. I just wish they could use some of the surplus M14's that are floating around out there...[:(] [b][red][i]Libertas an Mortis!![/b][/red][/i]
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Link Posted: 7/30/2002 3:54:50 PM EDT
Mex Mil uses HK 91s. Papago Farms buildings are about seven kilometers from the border. Mex mil frequently penetrate the border at Menagers Dam/Ali Chuk and San Miguel Gate along the reservation. I briefly spoke with a Customs Agent that took a pistol round to the chest at San Miguel about two years ago. He was not seriously injured, but highly irate.
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 4:06:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Paul: Easy solution: Make the first 500 yards inside the border a military firing range. Fly KC-135's and randomly light-up the range with some mini-gun action.
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Isn't a KC-135 a tanker? maybe you're thinking of something else like an AC-130 gunship?
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 4:10:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Benjamin0001: I think that I am finally realizing that the Mexican Border Agents/Police have been paid off big time to help ship drugs into the United States. It is apparent that the Mexican Governments powers of law enforcement stop right outside Mexico city.
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That's about it, Ben.
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 4:23:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By shooter69:
Originally Posted By Benjamin0001: I think that I am finally realizing that the Mexican Border Agents/Police have been paid off big time to help ship drugs into the United States. It is apparent that the Mexican Governments powers of law enforcement stop right outside Mexico city.
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That's about it, Ben.
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The Border Patrol is well-known in law enforcement circles to be almost as corrupt as the Federalis. The Mexicans probably only shoot at the guys who aren't helping them smuggle in illegals and drugs.
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 4:27:54 PM EDT
A nice 50 cal machine gun mounted on the roof of their SUV's should provide some good "reach out and touch em" protection as well as the ability to take out the vehicles if proof of an illegal incursion is in question.
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 4:36:21 PM EDT
This is bullshit.I can't understand why our government lets this go on and on. If mexican gi's are shooting at US agents with automatic weapons and chasing them around in Humvees,IMO the Border patrol needs something alittle more persuasive to get there attention.Say some LAWS or rifle fired grenades. Whats gonna happen when a couple of our guys get shot dead by their guys?Nothing?!
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 4:38:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/30/2002 4:40:02 PM EDT by omar]
Whoa. What "Law Enforcement Circles" would that be? To be sure, there have been bad agents, but they are a mere handful and don't represent the Patrol. I work with USBP on a daily basis (over twelve years) and my personal observations are that the line agent gets shit on a lot and gets very little thanks for a thankless but necessary task. There is a very aggressive internal affairs effort in place to detect and root out corruption in federal agencies that operate in the border areas. Redmanfms wrote: The Border Patrol is well-known in law enforcement circles to be almost as corrupt as the Federalis. The Mexicans probably only shoot at the guys who aren't helping them smuggle in illegals and drugs.[/quote]
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 5:28:33 PM EDT
Sounds like a place to hold the next "BRC". Wonder how they would respond to 2,000 people sitting on their border armed with the Black Rifle. [50]
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 5:33:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Redmanfms:
Originally Posted By shooter69:
Originally Posted By Benjamin0001: I think that I am finally realizing that the Mexican Border Agents/Police have been paid off big time to help ship drugs into the United States. It is apparent that the Mexican Governments powers of law enforcement stop right outside Mexico city.
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That's about it, Ben.
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The Border Patrol is well-known in law enforcement circles to be almost as corrupt as the Federalis. The Mexicans probably only shoot at the guys who aren't helping them smuggle in illegals and drugs.
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If anything, I think you understate the situation! Example: Two or three years ago, the police chiefs from a number of Mexican states were invited to meet with U.S. officials at an anti-drug convention held on the U.S. side of the border – I cannot remember where. When security tapes were reviewed, they revealed that most of the Mexican police chiefs arrived vehicles that had been stolen from U.S. citizens in Mexico – they hadn't even bothered to change the plates!
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 5:46:36 PM EDT
Hey, I am inviting every one to a SHOOT!! Call it "Secret VI: Raiders From Mexico". We need about 25 guys with Faux-Auto Black Rifles, The dates are Nov. 1-10. Location, Pagago Village AZ, several miles north of mexican border. Monetary rewards given for highest bag limit.... We need some BODIES of mexican Soldiers on our SOIL!! Stop this shit now... play with your .50s and high power scopes.... BYOB.... "entertainment purposes only....."
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 6:07:16 PM EDT
It's probably a diversionary tactic by the Mexicans, they cause the BP to shift their resources to the location where the shooting takes place and down the line they smuggle in drugs or illegals.
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 6:35:05 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 6:48:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Hoplite: if you live on the border in Tx or Az and you see these people trespassing at night, is it a shoot first ask later scenario?
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I would sure as hell hope so! I know of a few people that take pop shots at illegals every now-and-then... -Marksman
Link Posted: 7/30/2002 9:02:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By byron2112: This is bullshit.I can't understand why our government lets this go on and on.
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Half of our "Gov't" is DEMOC[b]RAT[/b]S, and about a half of the remaining are RINO-DEMOC[b]RAT[/b]S. Democrats are bought and paid for by Blacks, Mexicans, Women and Homosexuals. So it's like this: Democrats don't want IDs required to vote - that discriminates against illegal aliens from Mexico who overwhelmingly end up voting for Democrats. Democrats don't want English-only ballots - that discriminates against most Mexican immigrants who overwhelmingly end up voting for Democrats. Democrats don't want English-only taught in schools - that discriminates against the thousands of illiterate Mexicans crossing our border every day and every night. Democrats don't want to cut welfare for illegal aliens - that discriminates against illegal aliens from Mexicans. Democrats don't want to militarize the southern border - that will stop the illegal flood of THOUSANDS of new DEMOCRATIC VOTERS into this country every f@cking day from Mexico. So two-thirds of our Gov't (the Dems and the Rinos) is DEPENDING on this DAILY flood of thousands of Mexicans into our country to keep getting these liberal/socialist Democrats elected year after year.
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