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Posted: 7/23/2002 6:53:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dragunov: [img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20020715/capt.1026765470.china_military_bej114.jpg[/img]
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What kind of rifle is this?
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Originally Posted By dragunov: [img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20020710/capt.1026308792.china_military_on_display_bej122.jpg[/img] Chinese soldiers shoot live rounds at balloons filled with flammable gas at the People's Liberation Army's 196 Brigade camp.
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Now, that looks like fun! Talk about a reactive target. [pyro]
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 7:07:50 PM EDT
Gee, is it just me, or are some of the pictures funnier than hell? I think we need a caption contest! The guy with his head in the jet intake takes my #1 award, followed in close second by the synchronized truck dismount. I know I'm elitist, but don't you think the Chinese just spent about 25% of their total arms budget on this one show?
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 7:09:26 PM EDT
gas filled baloons huh? i wonder if we have any of these sitting in japan right now: [img]http://www.joelsartore.com/gallery/nebraska/images/bigpix/ne18-stealth.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.fas.org/faspir/2001/v54n1/b2a.gif[/img] [img]http://www.sav-online.de/images/headlines/b1-bomber.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.b1b.wpafb.af.mil/images/gallery/b1bbombraf.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.b1b.wpafb.af.mil/images/gallery/b1_mk82.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 7:10:21 PM EDT
[img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20020715/capt.1026765466.china_military_bej112.jpg[/img] RPG7s and 76mm? recoiless rifles.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 7:12:19 PM EDT
[img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20020715/capt.1026765458.china_military_bej115.jpg[/img] 100mm AT gun originally developed and fielded by the Soviets.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 7:13:39 PM EDT
[img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20020711/i/1026359219.3691233353.jpg[/img] A Fishbed that didn't have to telephone for an order of Chinese to eat.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 7:14:32 PM EDT
[img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20020723/mdf76360.jpg[/img] Can't remember. A Flanker?
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 7:14:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/23/2002 7:17:15 PM EDT by magnum_99]
Repeat after me: The Chinese are not my friend. The money I spend on the cheap trinkets they produce goes directly to fund their military modernization program. Top Chinese officials will publicly admit that the U.S. ("the great hegemon") is their number one enemy and they are preparing for conflict with us. I will avoid purchasing their cheap crap at all costs, which is difficult because some things it seems, are made nowhere else. I will make sure it is something I absolutely must have before I send money to my enemy so that he is better equipped to kill me. I will refrain from eating Chinese food as a symbolic display of non-alliance with my express enemy (even if the Gen. Tso's Chicken is so freaking good it makes my pee pee hurt). I am allowed to watch Bruce Lee movies however, as he became a U.S. citizen, was really from Brtitsh Empire Hong Kong, could high kick like no ones business, and made some great freaking movies. I will not now, nor ever, do Tai Chi in the public park on Sundays with a group of seniors. If I must participate in any Chinese derived martial art, it will at least be from Japan, a country that, after we thoroughly kicked their asses, at least purports to be our ally, has a rather small population and weak military not capable of inflicting much damage should they decide to not be our ally, and in any event, makes great camcorders. If I must be an "Orientophile", I will emulate seemingly morally superior cultures such as the Tibetans who are now suffering from great Chinese oppression. Free Tibet! (now finish the sentence you lilly-livered liberal..."From Communist China") Repeat, Rinse.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 7:18:03 PM EDT
[img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20020722/i/1027298946.4026744901.jpg[/img] [b]Privates Ming and Ping practice the well-known "Rapid Dismount of Armored Transport After Smelling Nasty Fart" excersize.[/b]
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 7:24:24 PM EDT
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[img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20020722/i/1027298946.4026744901.jpg[/img] [b]Private Long-duk-dong and Sum-yung-guy demonstrate China's lastest proposal for a new Olympic sport -- Synchronized falling from a truck onto your damn head.[/b]
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 7:28:58 PM EDT
Damn, that one cat has some big ass nostrils!
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 7:34:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By dragunov: [url]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20020723/mdf76360.jpg[/url] A Chinese-made F8 fighter jet takes off from the air base of the People's Liberation Army Air Division 24..
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Meat. Do they have SU-27's or Mig-29's? Thems some bad-ass fighters. The SU-27 and is variants are very capable aircraft, from what I understand. Pic of SU-27, a gorgeous bird of prey. [img]http://www.stanford.edu/~sviji/aircraft/military/su27_2.jpg[/img] -T.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 7:36:53 PM EDT
magnum_99, it does make one think about what we do today to affect tomorrow. Just like in the 1930 when Japan was buying all our surplus scrap steel. It came back to haunt us.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 7:37:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By dragunov: [img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20020723/mdf76360.jpg[/img] A Chinese-made F8 fighter jet takes off from the air base of the People's Liberation Army Air Division 24.
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State of the art, circa 1965
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 7:40:02 PM EDT
Aren't they recieving money from the UN for planned parenthood programs? And aren't they complaining that Bush refused to give the UN 34 million for that program? Are we the only country in the world who cuts our military spending instead of begging for funds for domestic programs? Shouldn't they have to make the beans or bullets decision also? I know it's not true, but why do I so often feel that the whole world gets payed off with my tax dollars?!?! Is this the UN occupation army destined for a neighborhood near you? :)
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 7:44:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/23/2002 7:47:56 PM EDT by magnum_99]
Originally Posted By winemaster: magnum_99, it does make one think about what we do today to affect tomorrow. Just like in the 1930 when Japan was buying all our surplus scrap steel. It came back to haunt us.
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Ding, Ding, Ding, we have a winner! And along that line, where does the U.S. import most of its steel from today? That's right sports fans, the PRC! Do we have enough domestic capability to ramp up production should we suffer, say, an "involuntary shortage due to forces beyond our control" at the same time Taiwanese hostilities ramp up? Think about it.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 7:52:13 PM EDT
Boy those troops look purdy.[rolleyes] I wonder if those gas balloons shoot back? Those gymnists pirouetting outta the truck sure is impressive.Too bad they forgot to grab their rifles. That plane looks like a mig21.If I'm correct ,that'd be 50's technology. I wonder if those white gloves are combat proven? Overall a VERY impressive show?Course I guess they could be sandbaggin us?
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 7:55:03 PM EDT
China does have a squadron of SU27s, 48 total with some spares, I think. Nothing really in a prolonged conflict. The Russians like us sell them the airframes but the electronics are limited. The Russians have more to fear from the Chinese then us. As capitalism erodes into their system, eventually their commie system will fall away, like the Soviets. Just a matter of time. But I think the conversion will be much more orderly. The scary part is to avoid a confilict before then.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 8:42:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CAPITALIST:
Originally Posted By dragunov: [img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20020715/capt.1026765470.china_military_bej114.jpg[/img]
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What kind of rifle is this?
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Those look like AUG magazines, and it kinda looks like some sort of bastardization of an AUG. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 8:45:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Hmanjr: Is this the UN occupation army destined for a neighborhood near you? :)
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We'll get the welcome wagon ready for them. [;D] Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 8:50:58 PM EDT
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Whoa, lot has changed huh? I see Chinese government has been spending lots of money updating their military. If you look at their bayonet, bull pup rifle, fritz style helmet, woodland camo uniform, they have copied us tremendously.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 8:53:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Graffiti: Whoa, lot has changed huh? I see Chinese government has been spending lots of money updating their military. If you look at their bayonet, bull pup rifle, fritz style helmet, woodland camo uniform, they have copied as tremendously.
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It makes you wonder if the use of woodland camo isn't a message in itself. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 8:57:09 PM EDT
What kind of rifle is this? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Those look like AUG magazines, and it kinda looks like some sort of bastardization of an AUG.
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They're AK mags. Some WarPac country made polymer waffle AK mags too. (Bulgarian? Check the AK forum) That fellow is wielding an AK-eighty/ninetysomething. If you check back a few years, they were unveiled en mass for the Hong Kong transition. I'd like one. Oh, wait, I live in the freest country on earth. Never mind.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 9:01:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/23/2002 9:06:53 PM EDT by GodBlessTexas]
Originally Posted By GodBlessTexas:
Originally Posted By CAPITALIST:
Originally Posted By dragunov: [img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20020715/capt.1026765470.china_military_bej114.jpg[/img]
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What kind of rifle is this?
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Those look like AUG magazines, and it kinda looks like some sort of bastardization of an AUG. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas.
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Not to answer my own question, but it's a Singapore Technologies Kinets (STKinetics) SAR-21, but a newer configuration than what I've seen while reasearching. Janes says it's a heck of a rifle, and the picture sof it look just like Steyr AUG's. The Janes article can be found at [url]http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/news/idr/idr000531_2_n.shtml[/url] Edited to add pics: [IMG]http://world.guns.ru/assault/sar21_1.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://world.guns.ru/assault/sar21.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://world.guns.ru/assault/sar21_strip.jpg[/IMG] The STKinetics webpage is [url]http://www.stengg.com/land/[/url]. Look under "Weapons Group" under the pulldown menu. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 9:12:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/23/2002 9:23:52 PM EDT by GodBlessTexas]
Originally Posted By QBit:
What kind of rifle is this? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Those look like AUG magazines, and it kinda looks like some sort of bastardization of an AUG.
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They're AK mags. Some WarPac country made polymer waffle AK mags too. (Bulgarian? Check the AK forum) That fellow is wielding an AK-eighty/ninetysomething. If you check back a few years, they were unveiled en mass for the Hong Kong transition. I'd like one. Oh, wait, I live in the freest country on earth. Never mind.
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You mean the AK-47 86S? [IMG]http://world.guns.ru/assault/type86s.jpg[/IMG] You'll notice that the rifle the soldier is wearing is polymer, and not stamped steel. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 9:16:40 PM EDT
Actually, it doesn't look like either. Maybe a mini-14 in one of those bullpup adapters? [:D] Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
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[Last Edit: 7/23/2002 9:24:17 PM EDT by GodBlessTexas]
Found it! [IMG]http://world.guns.ru/assault/qbz-95.jpg[/IMG] The Norinco QBZ-95/97.
The QBZ-95 assault rifles were shown for the first time when PR China took over the Hong Kong in 1997. The PLA soldiers were armed with this bullpup assault rifle. It is chambered for new proprietary Chinese cartridge, 5.8x42mm, and QBZ-97 (export version) is chambered for standard 5.56mm NATO (.223 Rem). The QBZ acronym stands for 'Qing Buqiang Zu' or light rifle family.
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Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas...
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 9:32:56 PM EDT
GOD DAMN COMMIE CRAP ! MAY THEY ALL BURN IN HELL !
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 10:12:50 PM EDT
Cut and pasted from: [url]http://mail.guns.ru/Lists/club/Message/3499.html[/url]
[b]NORINCO 5.8 mm QBZ Type 95 assault rifle Development:[/b] During the handover of Hong Kong to the People's Republic of China in 1997, it was noted that at least some of the troops involved in the ceremonies were equipped with a model of bullpup rifle not previously seen. Few details were available regarding this rifle, which forms part of what has been described as the Type 95 QBZ (QBZ - Qing Buqiang Zu - light rifle family). It utilises a new 5.8 × 42 mm cartridge. Apparently the QBZ family is not intended for export as a more market-acceptable model, the 5.56 mm Automatic Rifle Type 97, has been developed for this purpose (see separate entry). [b]Description[/b] The receiver of the 5.8 mm QBZ bullpup rifle is shrouded in a moulded polymer butt-stock, with the fore-end and pistol grip made from the same dark-coloured material. The cocking lever is protected under a carrying handle which also contains the rearsight; the foresight is on a post protected by a small cylinder. A three-position fire selector and safety switch is on the right-hand side of the body just above the pistol grip, although this switch is not present on some examples. The front trigger guard is much larger than usual as it provides the rear location point for an optional underslung spin-stabilised grenade launcher; it also provides a convenient location for the non-firing hand. The grenade launcher appears to have a calibre of 40 mm and is of the M203 pattern. A flash eliminator attachment on the muzzle can be used to launch rifle grenades. The top of the carrying handle can also be used to mount optical or night sights. [b]Variants[/b] A light support weapon version of this rifle is also in service. It has a longer and heavier barrel, a light bipod and a drum magazine, probably holding 75 rounds. There is no provision on the light support weapon for a grenade launcher. See entry under Machine guns for an illustration. Reports have also been made regarding a short carbine-pattern variant, described as a sub-machine gun but retaining the 5.8 mm cartridge. There is no provision for mounting a grenade launcher. There is also a Type 88 selective fire sniper rifle variant. The latter has a longer barrel, making the weapon about 920 mm overall, an optical sight together with folding iron sights and an adjustable height bipod. A 10-round box magazine appears to be standard. As the optical sight is secured to a rail over the receiver the cocking lever is switched to the right-hand side of the receiver. Weight of this variant is understood to be 4.2 kg. There is no provision for mounting a grenade launcher. For details of the 5.56 mm Automatic Rifle Type 97 and Squad Light Machine Gun Type 97 export models, see separate entries. [b]Specifications:[/b] Cartridge: 5.8 x 42 mm Operation: gas rotating bolt Locking: rotating bolt Feed: detachable box magazine Weight: 3.3kg Length: 743mm Barrel: 490mm Sights: rear, adjustable aperture; fore, post Muzzle velocity: 930 m/s Rate of fire: 650 rds/min Manufacturer: China North Industries Corporation (NORINCO) 12A Guang'anmen Nanjie, Beijing. Status: Apparently in production. Service: Elite formations of People's Liberation Army.
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[Last Edit: 7/23/2002 10:32:49 PM EDT by REDHORSE]
NORINCO 5.8 mm Type 95 light support weapon Description During the handover of Hong Kong to the People's Republic of China in 1997, it was noted that at least some of the troops involved in the ceremonies were equipped with a model of 5.8 × 42 mm bullpup rifle not previously seen. A light support weapon version of this rifle is also in service. It has a longer and heavier barrel, a light bipod and a box magazine holding 75 rounds. There is no provision on the light support weapon for a grenade launcher. Optical and night sights can be fitted. The 5.56 mm Type 97 is an export version of this weapon (see separate entry). Specifications Cartridge: 5.8 x 42 mm Operation: gas, selective fire Feed: detachable box magazine, 75 rounds Weight: 3.95 kg Length: 840 mm Barrel: ca 587 mm Sights: fore post; rear, adjustable aperture Muzzle velocity: 970 m/s Rate of fire: cyclic, 650 rds/min Manufacturer China North Industries Corporation (NORINCO) 12A Guang'anmen Nanjie, Beijing. Status: In production.
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Norinco QBB-95 light support weapon: [url]http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1700/1721.htm[/url] Norinco CAR-95 Carbine: [url]http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1700/1719.htm[/url] Norinco QBZ-95: [url]http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1700/1722.htm[/url] Norinco QBZ-95 + Gernade launcher: [url]http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1700/1723.htm[/url] Norinco KBU-88 Sniper: [url]http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1700/1720.htm[/url] Norinco KBZ-97 Export ([b]5.56 NATO[/b]): [url]http://securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/1700/1700.htm[/url] Don't you love Security Arms! [:D]
Link Posted: 7/24/2002 3:23:42 AM EDT
How do you say in Chinese "Go ahead and make my day"? [img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/AR%5FRifle%2Fgatling2%2Ejpg[/img]
Link Posted: 7/24/2002 3:33:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By dragunov: [img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20020715/capt.1026765458.china_military_bej115.jpg[/img]
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Remember Men! Shoot and scoot is a cowardly American trick! You no have to worry about fire finder counterbattery!
Link Posted: 7/24/2002 3:34:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By dragunov: [img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20020711/i/1026359219.3691233353.jpg[/img]
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I left that wrench in one of these somewhere, I just can't remember where.
Link Posted: 7/24/2002 3:39:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By dragunov: [img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20020710/capt.1026308792.china_military_on_display_bej122.jpg[/img] Chinese soldiers shoot live rounds at balloons filled with flammable gas at the People's Liberation Army's 196 Brigade camp.
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Now there is a realistic training exercise for combat! [img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/sardonic.gif[/img]Firing from a prone position behind cover is an imperialist trick. No wonder we killed one million of these folks in Korea. [img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/rolleyes2.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 7/24/2002 3:50:03 AM EDT
Do you think all of their cheap plastic crap is stamped "Made in China"?
Link Posted: 7/24/2002 4:04:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By platform389: [img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20020715/capt.1026765458.china_military_bej115.jpg[/img]
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[b]Sure, they bought us a great new cannon. Now if they'll just buy us a friggen' truck to tow it around with.[/b] What's the idiot doing with the flags??? We're not landing airplanes here.
Link Posted: 7/24/2002 4:06:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By dragunov: [img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20020711/i/1026359219.3691233353.jpg[/img]
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"Can you hear me now?...Good!"
Link Posted: 7/24/2002 5:03:19 AM EDT
the rifle is china's bullpup in 5.8mm calibre. it was first seen when china took control of hong kong. the troops pictured with it appear to be para's.
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