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Posted: 7/23/2002 10:48:52 AM EDT
Please quit calling post-ban rifles AR-15s. They are nothing more than semi-automatic target rifles. They ain't "militaristic" in any way shape or form. The more pro-gunners go around saying "Hey! Check out my post-ban ar-15!" the more the ignorant public actually thinks they are really "ar-15s." Remember, the Colt Match Target is actually legal in New Jersey and they banned real AR-15s. THANKS! CRC
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Link Posted: 7/23/2002 10:54:16 AM EDT
I think it's time to get me another one of those post-ban ar-15's. Never can have too many of those ar-15's.... :)
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Link Posted: 7/23/2002 10:55:32 AM EDT
My post-ban ar-15 and I beg to differ. Th only difference that I can see in my post-ban vs a "militaristic" M-16 or M-4 is full auto.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 10:56:17 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 10:56:50 AM EDT
I'll just call mine a R-15. Av.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 10:57:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/23/2002 10:58:47 AM EDT by Aggie1]
Who are you??? and Why do you get to tell me what to do? I keep forgetting[whacko]
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 10:57:53 AM EDT
so what do you want to call them then? i see theres nothing wrong with 'postban ar15'??
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 10:59:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/23/2002 11:02:06 AM EDT by Dave_A]
Hmm... Well, since nothing really changed mechanically between a 'PRE' and 'POST' (Colts with funky pins excluded), IIRC, it's really the same gun... As long as I can take an M16 manual, my 'post ban semi-auto' AR reciever, and come up with something that will provoke liberal non-gun-people (who don't know what a 'selector switch' is) to ask me 'Is that an M-16? Aren't those illegal?', I'd say the moniker sticks... Looks like an AR Sounds like an AR Takes AR mags Goes together following AR build instructions, with AR parts... Makes anti-gun-people hopping mad because you can still get it after they tried to ban it... AR15....
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 10:59:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ColonelKlink: [img]http://home.attbi.com/~ColonelKlink/stuff/cup_of_what.gif[/img]
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Yup!
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:00:25 AM EDT
As others have so eloquently pointed out: [size=6]WHO THE HELL PUT YOU IN CHARGE!?!?![/SIZE=6] AR15AR15AR15AR15AR15 AR15AR15AR15AR15AR15AR15AR15AR15AR15AR15 AR15AR15AR15AR15AR15 AR15AR15AR15AR15AR15 AR15AR15AR15AR15AR15 AR15AR15AR15AR15AR15 Just a guess, but this isn't going as ytou planned it, is it?
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:00:45 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CRC: Please quit calling post-ban rifles AR-15s. They are nothing more than semi-automatic target rifles. They ain't "militaristic" in any way shape or form. The more pro-gunners go around saying "Hey! Check out my post-ban ar-15!" the more the ignorant public actually thinks they are really "ar-15s." Remember, the Colt Match Target is actually legal in New Jersey and they banned real AR-15s. THANKS! CRC
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You are using NJ as an example?? They are right behind CA with their retarded laws. What do you suggest we call them?? I suggest you find some other people to boss around today.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:03:48 AM EDT
Think about this!! You and I know that these guns are AR-type rifles but Jane Doe the soccer mom doesn't. ARs were banned in 1994, guys. That's why Colts calls it's guns Match Targets and Bushy XM-15s. Not AR-15s. Fuck Jane Doe? Uh Jane Doe votes and Jane Doe gets assault weapon bans passed by evil politcians. Emphasizing that your post-ban is no different than your 7400 or BAR would help alot in educating non-gunners that "evil black rifles" are really "good black rifles". To claim that your post-ban is close to your pre-ban is stupid. Your post ban is nothing more than a semi-auto rifle. Your pre-ban is closer to an M-16. Anyway, it's your call to what you want to classify your post ban as. As for me, nothing more than a HARMLESS DAMN S-A TARGET RIFLE if anyone asks. CRC
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:04:08 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:04:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/23/2002 11:08:19 AM EDT by Spearweasel]
[soapbox] POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15!POSTBAN AR-15! You can call yours whatever you want... I prefer to call mine a [b]Sport Utility Rifle[/b] [stick]
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:08:25 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:10:15 AM EDT
Quit calling Siagas, Maadis, Romaks, Norinco's and heaven knows what else "AK'"s and you've got a deal. I know,I'll start calling my AR-15's by the first names of my favorite topless dancers. That means I either need fewer favorites, or more rifles.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:11:02 AM EDT
Dude just chill down and PISS OFF
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:13:11 AM EDT
[img]http://image1.villagephotos.com/pubimage.asp?id_=417963&uid=21285 [/img]
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:16:59 AM EDT
If there's anything that we should learn from the [b]Anti-Gun folks[/b] is that when you let them define the terms in this dispute, we've already lost! We all know what an 'assault rifle' was! And yet we allowed the media and the Anti-Gun folks insist on calling a semi-auto rifle by a name that already had a precise definition, that didn't include a semi-auto rifle! So I don't think we need to budge an inch further. If it's an AR-15 type, style, semi-auto rifle, then you may call it an 'AR-15' in my lexicon! It's a short hand definition for something we all know and can identify. Eric The([b]FugThem![u]We've[/u]GotTheGuns![/b])Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:17:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CRC: ARs were banned in 1994, guys. That's why Colts calls it's guns Match Targets and Bushy XM-15s. Not AR-15s.
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Nope. Bushmaster can't call their rilfes AR-15's because AR-15 is trademarked.
To claim that your post-ban is close to your pre-ban is stupid. Your post ban is nothing more than a semi-auto rifle. Your pre-ban is closer to an M-16.
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My pre-ban is semi-auto too! It must be broken. Damnit! Av.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:17:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CITADELGRAD87: As others have so eloquently pointed out: [size=6]WHO THE HELL PUT YOU IN CHARGE!?!?![/SIZE=6] AR15AR15AR15AR15AR15 AR15AR15AR15AR15AR15AR15AR15AR15AR15AR15 AR15AR15AR15AR15AR15 AR15AR15AR15AR15AR15 AR15AR15AR15AR15AR15 AR15AR15AR15AR15AR15 Just a guess, but this isn't going as ytou planned it, is it?
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[img]http://home.attbi.com/~ColonelKlink/stuff/cup_of_what.gif[/img] I just want everyone to know, i really am enjoying my POST-BAN Bushmaster AR15. its really cool.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:22:27 AM EDT
Conversely, if you show that idiot your worried about offending that there is basically no friggin difference between a post or pre-ban AR, they might see how STUPID the AWB is and let it sunset like it should. The day I don't have to look at another buthole stock can't come soon enough!!!
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:23:43 AM EDT
Eric The Hun, I know WE identify them as AR-15s but the anti-gunners don't. IF WE LET THE ANIT-GUNNERS CLASSIFY POST-BANS AS AR-15s then we've lost! Post-ban guns by the laws definition cannot be ARs because BATF banned their production in 1994. Pointing that out to non-gun owners would ease their fears about these "evil" guns. If we can get the non-gun owning public to see these guns as non-militarized "sporting firearms" then we've won! When Sarah Brady calls a Colt 6700 an "assault weapon" then people who know they are no more deadly than a Browning BAR won't buy into her bullshit propaganda! If I have a phone that looks like a shoe, do I also have a shoe? No. Just a phone that resembles one. CRC
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:25:32 AM EDT
I seem to recall being the owner of an "M15" Where does that put me?
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:25:52 AM EDT
Devils advocate..... By allowing a semi-auto, completely neutered , non-military target rifle to be classified as a military "assault rifle" we play right into the antis hands, by allowing them to define the terms of the debate. In reality, all a postban AR15 IS is a step down from 75 year old technology (the M1 rifle) with a less powerful cartridge, more prone to jamming, no bayonet lug, and a 30 round magazine and a pistol grip. Think about it - by calling it an AR15, we put it on the antis radar as the NEXT firearm to ban. When in reality its just a glorified, underpowered hunting rifle.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:29:27 AM EDT
POSTBANS are AR15s. When they make Postbans with fixed 10rd mags I will call it a target rifle. A ASSAULT RIFLE has "evil features" Evil Features Include Telestock Flash Suppressor Bay Lug High Cap Magazine Short Barrels Postban or not the AR15 is still like, is, and close too a M16(varient). MILITARISTIC Who pissed in your cherrios today?
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:34:32 AM EDT
I call mine George
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:35:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CRC: If I have a phone that looks like a shoe, do I also have a shoe? No. Just a phone that resembles one.
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What if you hollow it out and wear it as a shoe? Is it a shoe/phone or a phone/shoe?? Av.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:35:47 AM EDT
Outstanding!!! Black Rifle Knight
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:42:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman: Devils advocate..... By allowing a semi-auto, completely neutered , non-military target rifle to be classified as a military "assault rifle" we play right into the antis hands, by allowing them to define the terms of the debate. In reality, all a postban AR15 IS is a step down from 75 year old technology (the M1 rifle) with a less powerful cartridge, more prone to jamming, no bayonet lug, and a 30 round magazine and a pistol grip. Think about it - by calling it an AR15, we put it on the antis radar as the NEXT firearm to ban. When in reality its just a glorified, underpowered hunting rifle.
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Interesting..... so that means we should trade in our 'clones' and go get something bigger? Something, possibly like an 'AR-10 clone'? [}:D] [}:D]
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:43:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By UrbanMarine: Outstanding!!! Black Rifle Knight
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i am thinkin about naming mine bettsie
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:44:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/23/2002 12:03:08 PM EDT by hound]
So....when are we going to quit worrying about the soccer-moms and actually stop voting for people who actually write these laws?
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:44:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/23/2002 11:46:23 AM EDT by Tinker]
I'm going to type "Rock River Arms CAR-15 Tactical Elite Postban" from now on when I refer to my carbine instead of AR15 JUST to keep some clueless twit from wetting themselves, huh? 45 characters instead of 4?! Forget it. Remember its not about FACTS. It's about lying and misrepresentation, and they'll do that no matter what we call 'em. Might as well make it easy on ourselves.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:47:55 AM EDT
I think garandman has a good point here. We should emphasize how these rifles are not even all that deadly. After all, they fire such a weak cartridge that it is not even legal in most states to hunt deer with them. AR-15s are really just varmint or target rifles. You can find dozens of threads right here that make this point. Everyone knows (have I not heard it a hundred times) ARs are intended to wound and not kill, so it much better to have criminal armed with these weapons. Everyone also knows (have I not heard it a thousand times) that they are unreliable. If a criminal has a gun, let us pray that he has a weak and unreliable AR-15. Those pump or double barrel shotguns are much more dangerous. Powerful, reliable. Evil. Maybe we ought to move tatjana's ballistics tests to a restricted forum. [;)]
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 11:51:09 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/23/2002 12:00:22 PM EDT
Hey, I think we should paint all of our guns pink, then they will look almost harmless. Flower holders and friendship beads could also adorn them, but that might be taking it too far.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 12:00:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless: Everyone knows the bullets tumble after a short distance causing horrible and grievous injuries. Yer not foolin' me
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Hush. [V]
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 12:04:50 PM EDT
I'm callin mine a "homeland security rifle" everyone should have one... "for the children" or "if it even saves one life". Tango Down!
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 12:10:32 PM EDT
i belive CRC & Garandman both have good points......., because i own REAL AR-15s & it is an insult to those fine guns that any one refer to their (yuck.., arrgh, spitttooey) post-ban semi-automatic squirrel molesters as AR-15s...... [:D]
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 12:11:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DevilsAdvocate: Hey, I think we should paint all of our guns pink, then they will look almost harmless. Flower holders and friendship beads could also adorn them, but that might be taking it too far.
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Memo To DevilsAdvocate: When you are finished doing yours up in this scheme, be sure and post pics so your buds at AR15.com can see the results. I can't wait... [img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/lol.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 12:30:26 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 12:31:54 PM EDT
Step 1. Remove wad from panties. Step 2. ... Step 3. Profit! the_reject
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 12:34:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/23/2002 12:35:50 PM EDT by duppy]
Originally Posted By DevilsAdvocate: Hey, I think we should paint all of our guns pink, then they will look almost harmless. Flower holders and friendship beads could also adorn them, but that might be taking it too far.
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here you go..... [img]www.ar15.com/members/albums/duppy%2Fjoke%2EJPG[/img]
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 12:40:11 PM EDT
Um, first of all the AR in AR-15 stands for ARmalite, the company that employed the people who invented it most notably Gene Stoner. They also developed the AR-7, a .22 rim fire, the AR17 a shot gun as well as many other firearms. So as was so eloquently stated earlier " Go have a cup of shut the......."
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 12:40:23 PM EDT
WOW! Is that the iRifle, the new SemiAutomaticTargetRifle from Apple?
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 12:42:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Lawndart_78: WOW! Is that the iRifle, the new SemiAutomaticTargetRifle from Apple?
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No. I think that's one of those purple Bushies people talk about.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 12:47:59 PM EDT
Hey CRC, why don't you quit licking my BALLSAC!! This is buy far one of the stupidest threads ever created. Well stupid posts gets stupid responses! Let me guess, you got a pre-ban a few days ago and now you think your an American badass? Like I said, LICK MY SAC.
Link Posted: 7/23/2002 12:56:41 PM EDT
I don't care what some soccer Beeotch calls my rifle, or how she votes, I draw the line here. if you want to come get my rifle, Molon Labe', baby! I want an M60! pre or Postban, doesn't matter.
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