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Posted: 7/19/2002 4:36:22 PM EDT
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Preach on my brother. Tell it from the mountain tops. I feel the spirit my brother. Hallelujia! Hickamashunday! Shickamahaya! WOAH! AMEN!!
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Posted: 7/19/2002 4:40:22 PM EDT
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I'm waiting for ETH to jump in and tell us all that we're mistaken about the NRA.
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Posted: 7/19/2002 4:40:25 PM EDT
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KGO's anchor/host Ted Wygant, clearly unprepared for such a startling announcement by the freshly elected NRA official, attempted to forge ahead with his scripted talking point: [red]"...the fire power of these weapons is far more than a hunter or a homeowner would need.[/red] Why is it necessary to have those guns available anyway?" Eummm since when did the 7.62x39mm OR 5.54x39mm round become more powerful than a .308? |
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Posted: 7/19/2002 4:43:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: Preach on my brother. Tell it from the mountain tops. I feel the spirit my brother. Hallelujia! Hickamashunday! Shickamahaya! WOAH! AMEN!! Eh, What the fuck. I'm bored and it's too damn hot to go G-hog hunting. |
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Posted: 7/19/2002 4:46:39 PM EDT
[#5]
Heston looks alot like Bill Ruger, hmm...
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Posted: 7/19/2002 4:52:33 PM EDT
[#6]
Heston said that?
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Posted: 7/19/2002 4:56:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: Heston said that? Sure enough. |
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Posted: 7/19/2002 5:00:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Preach on my brother. Tell it from the mountain tops. I feel the spirit my brother. Hallelujia! Hickamashunday! Shickamahaya! WOAH! AMEN!! Eh, What the fuck. I'm bored and it's too damn hot to go G-hog hunting. I felt the spirit. |
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Posted: 7/19/2002 6:21:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Preach on my brother. Tell it from the mountain tops. I feel the spirit my brother. Hallelujia! Hickamashunday! Shickamahaya! WOAH! AMEN!! Eh, What the fuck. I'm bored and it's too damn hot to go G-hog hunting. I felt the spirit. Apparently not too many others felt it.[:\] |
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Posted: 7/19/2002 6:25:41 PM EDT
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I was watching "COPS" the other night and they pulled a mexican dude over for running a red light and he had a decked out SKS (folding stock, 30 round mag) in the back seat of the car
that was chambered so he could defend him self from gangbangers and the cops said that it wasn't stolen and couldn't be releated to any crimes so they confiscated "this dangerous weapon off the streets" |
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Posted: 7/19/2002 6:30:14 PM EDT
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Flit lock! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 7/19/2002 6:30:29 PM EDT
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Thanks for the info. I knew I hadn't renewed my membership this year for a reason! Now I am going to email or call those suckers and tell them they won't get any more financial support from me until I hear them preaching about sunsetting the AWB.
Compromising bastards... |
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Posted: 7/19/2002 6:32:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: Thanks for the info. I knew I hadn't renewed my membership this year for a reason! Now I am going to email or call those suckers and tell them they won't get any more financial support from me until I hear them preaching about sunsetting the AWB. Compromising bastards... Think of the NRA as being like the Jews that helped the Nazies in WW2 thinking it would save there necks. But they got the gas too. |
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Posted: 7/20/2002 8:55:15 AM EDT
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I for one would like to see the transcript of that radio show where Heston allegedly made that comment. As I understand it, he made that statement 25 years ago, not 5. I saw a TV interview where he acknowledged that statement was in error. I agree that he should do his "from my cold dead hands" speech with a modern military rifle.
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Posted: 7/20/2002 3:45:56 PM EDT
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Rich: Chuck DID make this statement shortly after he was elected President of the NRA. I called the NRA Second Amendment Task Force number immediately to ask if it was true, and they admitted it was, but Chuck made a retraction later.
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Posted: 7/20/2002 4:31:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: I was watching "COPS" the other night and they pulled a mexican dude over for running a red light and he had a decked out SKS (folding stock, 30 round mag) in the back seat of the car that was chambered so he could defend him self from gangbangers and the cops said that it wasn't stolen and couldn't be releated to any crimes so they confiscated "this dangerous weapon off the streets" Don't you just love how police on COPS always remark, "Well, that's another gun off the street." every time they confiscate someone's property. The sociological impact is entirely different from saying, "Well, that's another gun we took from this felon." or "We just violated this guy's Constitutional rights." It leads the sheeple to believe that guns "on the street" is inherently a bad thing. My concealed carry Glock on my hip "on the streets" is a good thing should I witness a violent assault/rape/robbery; As are the other guns "on the streets" by other law-abiding gun owners. [(:|)] |
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Posted: 7/20/2002 4:34:57 PM EDT
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between chuck and wayne...well, i'll leave it to your imaginations.
neal knox is more my style. "I'm bored and it's too damn hot to go G-hog hunting." i sat on the front porch sweating (broken foot. i can't walk the fields right now.) and drinking iced tea...waiting for mr. w. chuck to show his head. must have been too hot for him, too! remember: SOYLENT GREEN IS PEEEEOOOOOPPPLLLEE!!! |
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Posted: 7/20/2002 4:38:21 PM EDT
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I have seen statements from him which leads me to believe that he doesn't know private individuals can own machine guns in this country. He obviously doesn't keep up with all the different forms of gun ownership in this country.
Guess what, I still support the NRA even though he doesn't see everything the same as me. Shit we can't get everyone on this site to see eye-to-eye how do you think a group with over 4 million can ever agree on everything. I asked this once in another thread and none of you anti-NRA big mouths gave me an answer. [b][red]WHAT GUN RIGHTS WOULD YOU HAVE LEFT IF THE NRA DIDN'T EXIST?[/red][/b] I think all of you know that you wouldn't have any gun but a flintlock if it wasn't for the NRA and its lobbying abilities. If you want to disagree with some of there policies fine, I know I do but that doesn't mean they don't deserve my support. Pay your dues, work to make them stronger and make your opinion heard. If you don't support them and you bitch and moan it would be the same as complaining about the state of affairs in this country and not being a registered voter. If you still don't want to support the NRA and you think you can win alone, well go and take the money you save from not paying the measly $35 a year and buy some good body armor because you are going to need it when they come kick your door in after you lose all your gun rights. |
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Posted: 7/20/2002 4:49:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: [red]"...the fire power of these weapons is far more than a hunter or a homeowner would need.[/red] Eummm since when did the 7.62x39mm OR 5.54x39mm round become more powerful than a .308? We will always have this problem. The antis have no idea what the terms they use mean. No concept of semi automatic vs. fully automatic, no idea that a semi-auto can't really be an "assault rifle", no distinction between "dum-dum" bullets and armor piercing rounds. They don't know squat about guns, and that's why they're afraid. But that lack of knowledge certainly doesn't stop from speaking profusely... BTW, I'm a physicist, and it makes me twitch when lay people use the terms "force", "energy", and "momentum" interchangably. But that's just me. [;)] |
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Posted: 7/20/2002 4:54:48 PM EDT
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I, too, am dismayed at times with the NRA over its lack of zeal in defending all aspects of gun ownership (read: "assault-weapons").
I've seen one of its lobbyists here in CT at a big gun bill hearing and he just plain sucked. He had to've been 25-35 years old in a real nice suit with not a hair out of place. Too bad our dues money didn't get spent on someone who had a coherent argument and believed in what he was saying from the depths of his soul. All we got in CT that day was a sharp-dressed talking head that did it for the money. |
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Posted: 7/20/2002 7:09:54 PM EDT
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I guess if some of you cheap ass NRA haters would spend a measly $ 35 and read the American rifle Magazine you would notice that it has done numorous articles on evil black rifles, AR's Fal's etc. This months edition has half the mag dedicated to articles on the history of the M14 - M1A. Do I agree with everything the NRA does ? NO , but they are the ONLY real defense we have.
The NRA put it's butt on the line and lost a lot of members when it fought against the assault weapon ban. Alot of older Hunter NRA type members like my grandfather didn't believe people should own evil assault rifles and quit..... |
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Posted: 7/20/2002 7:24:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: Guess what, I still support the NRA even though he doesn't see everything the same as me. I'm still a member,I just don't donate any longer. I asked this once in another thread and none of you anti-NRA big mouths gave me an answer. [b][red]WHAT GUN RIGHTS WOULD YOU HAVE LEFT IF THE NRA DIDN'T EXIST?[/red][/b] I think all of you know that you wouldn't have any gun but a flintlock if it wasn't for the NRA and its lobbying abilities. Good point but think of the state of our gun rights currently: Brady Check-NRA supported Machine Gun Ban-NRA supported And during a conversation with an NRA operator just after Columbine when Juvenile Anti-Crime Bill of laws was about to be passed it was related to me that the NRA had helped write some of the legislation to make it "less infringing." Seems the NRA doesn't understand the phrase "Shall not be infringed" either. When the Government is more heavily armed than the citizens there is an imbalance of power and the loss of checks and balances. It appears the NRA has lost sight of this. Pay your dues, work to make them stronger and make your opinion heard. That's what I am doing and asking other to do. If you don't support them and you bitch and moan it would be the same as complaining about the state of affairs in this country and not being a registered voter. I agree wholeheartedly If you still don't want to support the NRA and you think you can win alone, well go and take the money you save from not paying the measly $35 a year and I never said don't support them, let's work to change the organization. |
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Posted: 7/20/2002 7:59:56 PM EDT
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Sorry if I seemed harsh, I am just cranky this evening and I hope you don't think I was picking on you.
I can understand the frustration some people feel with the way the NRA works, I feel it just like they do. The problem isn't the NRA it is the system the NRA is forced to work in. The NRA has to play the game to survive in the system, we may not like some of the plays made during the game, or some of the sacrifices that must be made, but it is the only way to stay in the game and hopefully come out on top in the end. I think if someone wants to support more "hardline" groups like GOA thats fine but I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of people who aren't active in the gun community have even heard of the GOA. Ideals are nice but sometimes they aren't realistic in todays world whether we like or not. |
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Posted: 7/20/2002 8:29:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: Sorry if I seemed harsh, I am just cranky this evening and I hope you don't think I was picking on you. Not at all. You made some very valid points. I would like to see a more agressive stance on the NRAs part especially now when our side seems to have the momentum and the AWB sunset is so close. The NRA for the most part does what it's members tell it to do, we need to let them know we want the AWB to die and not be replaced. I don't think it's currently a priority. |
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Posted: 7/20/2002 10:23:54 PM EDT
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We can have Ted Nugent handle all the other speaking engagements. The Nuge (otherwise known as "The Ozzie Osborne of gun owners") ain't exactly a sparkling orator, either. We need a third choice — Someone who, for example, doesn't piss off the entire city of San Antonio by calling them "a bunch of wetbacks". |
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Posted: 7/20/2002 11:06:01 PM EDT
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Quoted: We can have Ted Nugent handle all the other speaking engagements. The Nuge (otherwise known as "The Ozzie Osborne of gun owners") ain't exactly a sparkling orator, either. We need a third choice — Someone who, for example, doesn't piss off the entire city of San Antonio by calling them "a bunch of wetbacks". Like, say...maybe...Tom Selleck? |
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Posted: 7/21/2002 5:21:29 PM EDT
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San Antonio "a bunch of wetbacks" my a$$!
Eberybody knows that would be El Paso. |
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Posted: 7/21/2002 6:32:50 PM EDT
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I'm an NRA member, though I'm not enamored with the current administration nor with its tendency to "compromise" (i.e. - give up some more of our rights.)
I'm a member of the GOA, though I honestly do believe that there are no individual rights that are absolute - that there must be some restrictions that are allowable or the result would be anarchy. My position is that until the Second Amendment is legally recognized as protecting an individual right to arms outside of militia service, that the right is one of the priveledges and immunities of citizens protected against infringement by the states under the 14th Amendment, then "this far and no further." When these two conditions are met, the laws that truly infringe our right to arms will be either immediately overturned or overturned in court, and those that are sufficiently narrow in scope, sufficiently necessary, and applied only after due process of law will remain. I also believe in the Easter Bunny. (Not!) I'm simply trying to retain my right to arms so that when the SHTF, I at least have the option to choose where and when I die, and who'll be going with me, worst case. Best case, I'm trying to ensure we all keep as much of a right to arms as it takes to keep the power-hungry from taking everything. Unfortunately, Heston makes a good figurehead. Public speaking is important in the war of ideas. He does it well. Whoever replaces him must also. |
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Posted: 7/21/2002 8:47:04 PM EDT
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Thanks for making that correction kpel308. I guess teh NRA hasn't yet figured out that if you sacrifice one type of firearm, you sacrifice them all. I hope the NRA decides soon where they intend to draw the line....
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Posted: 7/21/2002 9:28:23 PM EDT
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Like, say...maybe...Tom Selleck? A radicalized Tom Selleck, perhaps — The current version seems to have the intelligence, polish and media appeal, but I'm not sure the passion is there... |
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Posted: 7/21/2002 9:53:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: The Nuge (otherwise known as "The Ozzie Osborne of gun owners") ain't exactly a sparkling orator, either. Then either: A. You've never heard him debate a liberal. or B. You don't hold the same views of the 2nd that I do. Ted is a very eloquent speaker. |
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Posted: 7/21/2002 10:35:10 PM EDT
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I doubt that Ted could even tell you what "eloquent" means. Granted, he's enthusiastic, but as a national spokesman for gun owners, he's a disaster waiting to happen — A gun banner's dream.
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Posted: 7/21/2002 10:37:17 PM EDT
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Wait, AKs are used by guerillas and fire when they are dirty. Damn dirty apes indeed.
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Posted: 7/21/2002 10:53:13 PM EDT
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NRA MEMBERS AND NON-MEMBERS -- READ THIS!!!
dont like what the NRA is doing? GOOD write letters and emails and TELL THEM that they are F**King UP, DEMAND THAT HESTON RESIGNS. BECOME Members and STAY members, the NRA wont listen to your complaints as a non-member, why should they care what a non-member says??? inform them that you will NOT give donations until your demands are met. why cant there be a more RADICAL faction of NRA members that protest and write petitions to make changes inside the NRA ? remember guys the game for our gun rights is not checkers its Political CHESS. |
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Posted: 7/22/2002 1:35:55 AM EDT
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Quoted: Wait, AKs are used by guerillas and fire when they are dirty. Damn dirty apes indeed. That's pretty damn funny!! |
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