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Posted: 7/12/2002 1:34:55 PM EDT
[img]http://www.sierratimes.com/02/images/unarmed_Nat_Guard.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 1:36:19 PM EDT
Must be an ASA. They make good clubs.
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 1:37:26 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 1:38:54 PM EDT
Clearly it's a 'go-go gadgets' toploader. I mean, it is Kali afterall.
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 1:39:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/12/2002 1:40:24 PM EDT by Corporal_Chaos]
Due to PC issues they are only allowed to use 10 rounders in public. [:D]
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 1:42:05 PM EDT
For Chrissake! It reminds me of that line from Monty Python and the Holy Grail: "What are you going to do, bleed on me?" Thae gloves might be off, but we're still handcuffed. Tony
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 1:42:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/12/2002 1:43:46 PM EDT by Boomholzer]
A1 sites? Slabside? Triangle forearm? Hmmmmmmmmmm.
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 1:46:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 2:05:55 PM EDT
I'm truly gratified to see that our brave servicemen are equipped with the best hardware that can be had! I'd have expected this of a Demoncrap administration, NOT a GW one!
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 2:25:43 PM EDT
photoshop @ work ? or work for photoshop ?
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 3:04:43 PM EDT
Probably an old Air Force M16.
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 3:23:30 PM EDT
My money says that "old" rifle and the "model" holding it was superimposed.
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 3:25:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 3:27:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 3:28:38 PM EDT
I'd say the guy holding the kid needs to lose a little weight... America's preparedness doesn't include citizen fitness, apparently.
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 3:41:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/12/2002 3:42:10 PM EDT by thumbtrap]
Originally Posted By Gunner1X: My money says that "old" rifle and the "model" holding it was superimposed.
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Shadows more or less match up, taking surfaces into account, but even then indoor lighting can come from many sources. Family in background are in soft focus - which I'd expect. The only thing that would make me wonder is the position the camera would have to be in to get the shot. Either the photog is very short, or the guardsman let some photog take his picture at groin level, or else the guy took the picture while seated, holding a digital camera in his lap. The slick sided upper and triangular handguards is an oddity, but explainable. The only reason someone would photoshop such an uncontroversial picture is because he's really sitting at home in his underwear, using photoshop to piece together pictures, making the newspaper think he's actually working. Nah. (and yes, I'm sure the [National] Guard looks a lot more like "middle" america in profile than the 19 year olds fresh out of boot)
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 3:46:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 3:50:00 PM EDT
The National Guardsmen is standing guard at the airport with an empty weapon, is what is wrong!!!
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 3:51:32 PM EDT
Note the web belt is so old as to have metal rings and keepers....That and really the lighting and shadow does not look right to me, unless the photog used a flash up close,(which I doubt in that setting and looking at the background lighting.) Verdict: Photoshop job.
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 3:56:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 4:04:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Boomholzer: A1 sites? Slabside? Triangle forearm? Hmmmmmmmmmm.
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Hmmmmm, is right !! it looks like a partial slab side. the upper portion of the fence is there but the the part that extends down around the release button is MIA.
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 4:07:34 PM EDT
Or maybe it's just a photo. I remember it from the paper, and it looked real enough then. Not too many pics of locals holding AR style rifles in the LA Times! It was also absolutely consistent with other reports of Guardsmen with unloaded rifles (happens they deployed that way during much of the LA riots, too!). It is also what I saw when I went through the airport myself shortly afterwards- old gear, no mags, etc. They did make me take off my boots though! Sad, but true...
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 4:13:12 PM EDT
seems to me like that extended index finger ,for(safety purposes)without a mag. locked and loaded ,is totally useless except for a long nose picking session. or maybe he just pushed the mag release and dropped his load and is hoping no one noticed.
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 4:24:41 PM EDT
Looks like a early M16 ( AR15) probably not a Mod 01 or 02. Probably Air Guard . Hell that guy would be on the Skinny program in my unit ! of course when U have a 16 you don't need to run very fast !
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 4:31:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By djk: The National Guardsmen is standing guard at the airport with an empty weapon, is what is wrong!!!
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That’s what you’re supposed to think. Actually the guardsman probably has one of those transparent plastic magazines we keep hearing about.
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 4:38:06 PM EDT
yeah,like one of those cloaked stealth mag typa things.
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 5:12:35 PM EDT
The pic is legit. Where have you guys been? [url]http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?f=1-213101-938994.php[/url] Some airport guardsmen carried unloaded weapons Associated Press PHILADELPHIA — National Guard troops patrolling Pennsylvania airports for more than seven months after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks were reportedly carrying unloaded weapons. At 16 airports across the state, the troops were banned from patrolling with loaded weapons, according to guardsmen interviewed by The Philadelphia Inquirer for Sunday editions. ..........
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 5:43:32 PM EDT
Must be on a state by state basis. Here in AZ, we patrolled the Airport with ammo, and my unit has new equipment (M16A2, M4s on the way next year, MK-19s. SAWs) Probably a CA thing.
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 7:12:08 PM EDT
Probably just a lazy reporter used an old file photo.
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 7:33:03 PM EDT
Not to slam the guard, but I have never heard of an instance where the guard has had ammo.
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 7:49:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 455SD: Not to slam the guard, but I have never heard of an instance where the guard has had ammo.
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How about Hartsfield in Atlanta and the Miami airport. In both cases, Guardsmen showed my loaded mags in their rifles and an officer showed me that he had a round in the pipe of his M9. I know, some people will say they shouldn't do that, but it all depends on how you approach them. In all cases, I started talking to them about my prebans and they were really cool about it. This weekend, some Guardsmen were recruiting outside a mall here and I was on my way to go shooting after I picked up 4 boxes of clays. I pulled up to where they were and showed them one of my Garands and my M1 Carbine. They were oohing and aahing over the Garand. I had to show them how you would load one and told them about M1 thumb. They were impressed. One older soldier is the only one that knew what they were.
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 8:37:42 PM EDT
Guardsmen carrying vintage M-16s, reminds me of the the de-commisioned rifles we used to use on the bayonet course in basic training.
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 8:40:14 PM EDT
Sear Block?? Looks like there is something above the take down pin. ????
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 9:53:51 PM EDT
You can't see it in this picture real clear but the father is handing his son a handgrenade,so he can overtake the solder in the pict whom acually has a bayo affixed to his seaminly usless rifle. Bob [8D]
Link Posted: 7/12/2002 10:25:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/12/2002 10:28:51 PM EDT by JU88]
Link Posted: 7/13/2002 2:22:26 AM EDT
All the pins are there for an M16.....
Link Posted: 7/13/2002 2:32:38 AM EDT
"No brass no ammo Drill Sgt.!" Also no ammo pouches, guy must have his cargo pockets loaded with loose rounds!
Link Posted: 7/13/2002 2:35:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By QUIB: "No brass no ammo Drill Sgt.!" Also no ammo pouches, guy must have his cargo pockets loaded with loose rounds!
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He'd better be mucho careful, in that case. Pocket lint's hell on functioning.
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